Egypt: Ban on On-line Porn

[Muezzin]

22 off-topic posts deleted.

Once again, please limit discussion to the article in the original post of this thread.

 

[~Zaria~]

Assalamu-alaikum,

It is implementable, however most internet geeks can get around the ban.

Websites can be banned at the application layer, or even better, they can be blocked at the network layer.

You can get around the block by using VPN's (Virtual Private network), or via the use of proxies.


Alhamdulilah this is good news for the youth of egypt.

Im assuming that this is not easy to do.....considering that I cant really understand what you have just said :/

In other words - most of the population would insha Allah, be protected by banning such sites - and it would only be available to very skilled internet hackers, or those who are really desperate to get their hands on this type of material.

Thats a much better position to be in, than we are now - where this sort of filth is available to everyone, irrespective of age - without much effort at all.....

Egypt want to ban on-line porn ..... ????

I thought they have done it.

Okay, look the picture below. This is what would appear on your monitor if you visit porn website through Indonesian internet providers.

Not only porn, but Indonesian govt also block websites which contain:
- Gambling
- Phising/Malware
- SARA (attacking on ethnic, religion, race, community)
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- Proxy

But actually not every website which contains those prohibited contents can be banned. The problem is, we don't know if a website contains porn or not if we don't visit this website, and govt don't have enough personels to visit every website one by one. They just wait report from internet users.

Unfortunately, there are internets users who when they find porn site, instead of report it to govt, they enjoy it. And also there are many programs that allow the user to 'move' instantly and use other countries IP.

But at least Indonesian govt have done something to save people morality.
[*]In case of "Innocent of Muslim" movie, Indonesian govt did not ban Youtube, but 'asked' Youtube to block this movie for Indonesian internet users, and Youtube granted this request.


Will censorship toward on-line porn increase govt censorship toward people?.

Back to Indonesia again. Indonesian Govt is strict toward porn, but they allow people to protest and criticize government.

Actually, censorship toward porn will increase govt censorship or not is depend on who behind this censorship policy.

SubhanAllah, I had no idea that Indonesia already has such a ban in place : )
I feel like moving there now! Insha Allah.

Why cant we, in our own countries, start a petition requesting our governments to also enforce a ban on on-line pornography?

It feels as if we can see so much fitnah around us, we can see how this is affecting our kids, youth, marriages and this entire ummah at large - in a severe way - yet, we are not even making the EFFORT to at least TRY to create some sort of change.

It wont be an easy task, and I imagine needing to join forces with as many groups as possible - from the health-sector, ALL religious denominations, educators, psychologists, rape victims, concerned parents, etc - to really lay the pressure on.

And with trust in Allah to guide every endeavour done for this ummah, and for His pleasure - insha Allah, anything can be possible!

ONLY if we TRY!


This topic is very close to my heart.....and for those who know me long enough, will know that Ive been thinking of this for some time now......

What does everyone think?

Implementable in other parts of the world as well?
What are our barriers? .......Apart from our 'freedom of speech and freedom to engage in every other possible haraam' -fighters out there?

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

it would be enough of a deterrent to protect the next generation, if only the world did this

 

[ardianto]

There are two kinds of porn websites. Commercial, which the visitor should pay to see their special contents, and non-commercial or amateur which do not ask payment.

Commercial porn sites are easily to be blocked because they are easily to be found. But non-commercial usually can avoid this 'blockade' because their domain names and content tags are not suspicious. People do not know that these websites are porn websites if they do not visit and see its contents. But people visit these websites through 'invitation' that spread as spam or link in other websites.

Actually, there are many non-commercial porn sites that have been blocked in Indonesia, but the websites owners can easily build new websites. They do not even need to pay because they use Blogspot. Yes, different than Wordpress that has strict rule toward porn contents, Blogspot allow porn contents.

So, should we make petition to blogger.com to ban porn contents?.

 

[Muhaba]

Porn and other stupid stuff is banned in lots of places, including some Gulf countries. Yes, some people can get around the banning but not most, so it's a good thing.

Women shouldn't be blamed for men not getting jobs, not getting good enough jobs, not being qualified enough, etc. It may not be that men watch porn because they aren't getting jobs but it is more likely that men are unemployed or not qualified enough because they watch porn. Men guys who watch porn (or waste time in ther useless stuff like sports and TV) don't have enough time or energy to study, to search for jobs, etc. So it's every bit possible that banning porn (and other useless stuff) will actaully increase a man's efficiency than lower it.

I do agree that women shouldn't take mens jobs. There are jobs that should be reserved for women while others for men. i believe it's better for family physicians to be women as mothers will be taking their kids to them and will be more comfortible with a female physician than a male, imo. Also, jobs of gynae/obs, teaching in women's institutions, etc. etc can be given to women. If women mostly focused on caring for their children while also working part-time and giving some time to community service, everyone would be better off.

 

[جوري]

I just found out yesterday that in AL Azhar they've always had a men's and women's separate medical schools with careers in medicine only for men or only for women with a few exceptions (this doesn't include the training during medical school itself rather specialization) and I thought it is exclusive to urology and Ob/gyne being completely designated to one party or the other but as it turns out Orthopedic surgery is exclusive for men (you can always apply as a woman and have to be exceptional) but how do folks feel about that? I think some things should be based on merit not gender .. but perhaps not many folks would want to go to a woman orthopedist no matter how good she is?

 

[Muhaba]

^I think it may be that it is not easy to be an orthpaedic surgeon. Women aren't strong enough to wrestle with bones, there aren't many women in this field. I heard of just one woman and she's Sudani and those women are really strong, so it's not surprising that a sudani woman would become orthopaedic surgeon. General surgery and other stuff, like denstistry should be allowed for both genders because we do need women in those fields. I find it hard to believe any muslim man would want to go into ob/gynae, but there were lots of male obstetrician/gynaecologists in Syria.

I can see that this is off topic and might get deleted. might be beter to split the thread instead. this is an important topic too.

 

[Cabdullahi]

In the UAE, porn is blocked. It's a good place to stay because there isn't much fitna, only in shopping malls and the beach..however some European women are pushing it..thinking they can walk around with dental floss for briefs around neighborhoods.

 

[crimsontide06]

because you cannot go to youtube and look up stuff??..... NOT that I do, I don't. I just know how silly this ban is. Might as well ban the whole internet....or maybe raise your kids right and they won't be lusting for porn.

 

[~Zaria~]

Porn and other stupid stuff is banned in lots of places, including some Gulf countries.

I wish it was as simple to implement, in other parts of the world.

Back in 2010, the South African minister of Home Affairs tried to enforce a ban on internet porn.

Only to be met with alot of resistance, before it could even take off: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10180937

These are some of the comments found on a local forum around this time:

I feel that it just going to far in this country.Everything is forbidden.How about implementing a 18 year age restriction for the 19h00 news.Our kids learn how to toe-toe, stike, not to work. Yes it's ok to kill, because for a R1000 bail, or a bribe everyone feels fine.Now they are worried about PORN! This is just a distraction of our real problems.
OH, SA Government get a life!

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Stupid goverment

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I'm sorry, but even suggesting things like this shouldn't be tolerated. Get this baboon out of government. We are not living in a country where censorship will be tolerated. This is serious, in my opinion, and people need to know that it is serious business. You simply cannot even suggest things like this.

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I can't believe that this could happen in this day and age, we are lead by a bunch of morons seriously. To even consider it....

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While I understand that some people don't want their kids exposed to explicit material we as a evolved race must come to understand that we have deemed explicit material immoral i.e is it actually a bad thing when people do it on cam? no its not, its just a taboo subject. I'll give an example, about a hundred years ago people could not use the word "breast" even though you may refer to a "chicken breast" it was a immoral thing to say, because it had such a taboo.

Now to some people explicit material seems immoral but to others it seems natural, in the end it should be up to the individual as to what they are exposed to.

If a minor stumbles onto a explicit site, so what... one day they will be doing exactly whats on there. Now I'm NOT saying we must hand this out to children, no, no, no, no! What I'm saying is as a parent, if you want to keep your child away from this stuff then take the initiative and block key words on your router, install an antivirus with a parental filter.

The government cannot ban this, I do not believe in religion, therefore I would like my children (when or if I have any) to be free from exposure to religion, but its not my choice, no matter how much I may be against it... All I could so would be to lecture them about why I disagree with it and perhaps block access to religious channels on TV until they have the capacity to decide for themselves.

There are still people and there will always be people that want access to this material, be considerate towards them and understand that you do not have a right to ban anything on the internet in such a manner.

They should rather pass a law that makes all ISPs have a no explicit material option on their services.

Are we still a democracy?

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I'll just start making my own if they ban it.

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I wish they'd be so enthusiastic to clamp down on religion.

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In SA we have alot of rapes,murders,armed robberies,house breaking ect in a 24hour day, and this is how some a-hole wants to spend MY TAX money??????? (paying what we do in Sa, we should have freedom of download, but I am against any kiddie porn).

I am insulted by the mere though of someone wanting to stop adults watching adults willingly have sexual encounters with other adults!

A petition needs to be started to stop this from happening and to get this idiot out if government! We need people who are looking out for human right and improvements to SA citizens QUALITY of life by providing jobs,cheap internet,the HUMAN FREEDOM to download what you want unlike China ect..

Some one know of a place to start an online petition??

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I hope this moron is aware of the possible negative effects of an outright porn ban.

Rape will increase, this had been determined by many sexologists.
Freedom is being challenged and if corner a rabid gerbil it will bite you!
I'll see you outside parliament if this goes ahead!
*Chants obsentities whilst kicking over garbage cans etc.


http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/236273-Internet-porn-ban-in-South-Africa?

^ With this mindset, how is it possible to even try to bring such a bill into action in a non-muslim country?

Our society is just unbelievable! : (

Are we fighting a losing battle? ;'(

 

[Cabdullahi]

I wish it was as simple to implement, in other parts of the world.

Back in 2010, the South African minister of Home Affairs tried to enforce a ban on internet porn.

Only to be met with alot of resistance, before it could even take off: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10180937

These are some of the comments found on a local forum around this time:





^ With this mindset, how is it possible to even try to bring such a bill into action in a non-muslim country?

Our society is just unbelievable! : (

Are we fighting a losing battle? ;'(

Time to emigrate...don't wait around. You have a job..you've got the necessary work experience..move!

 

[~Zaria~]

^ JazakAllah khair akhee.

May Allah (subhanawataa'la) make a way out for me one day....
Ameen

 

[ardianto]

because you cannot go to youtube and look up stuff??.....

I watch videos from Youtube almost everyday. It's not blocked in Indonesia although not every video can be watched by Indonesian people. "Innocent of Muslims" is blocked due to complain from Indonesian govt, some music videos are blocked too due to complain from the copyright holders.

Actually Youtube does not allow porn, although still allow naked pictures.

NOT that I do, I don't. I just know how silly this ban is. Might as well ban the whole internet....

Ban porn in internet is not silly, but a right thing.

Talk about sex to youth is not taboo in Indonesia. Sexual education is taught to the youth in my place, in correct manner of course. But it doesn't mean we can allow porn.

Porn is different. It teaches the incorrect sex that based on fantasy to the people and gives destructive effect. There were boys who raped girls after they watched porn, there were girls who became 'naughty' and make love with anyone because of porn, there were husbands who became 'weird' after they watched porn.

or maybe raise your kids right and they won't be lusting for porn.

When the kids reach puberty age they will start have interest to know about sex. It's the parents and teachers duty to educate them about sex in correct way to prevent them get incorrect knowledge about sex like they get from porn movies.

 

[جوري]

Time to emigrate...don't wait around. You have a job..you've got the necessary work experience..move!

Where do you suggest? All the countries of Muslims are now daar Al-7arb.
I have been trying since 2008 to emigrate to a Muslim country.. do you want to know what happens when I apply in KSA or UAE or Qatar, the first two plainly refer me to their American offices, Qatar is very difficult to emigrate to as well. Any Muslim majority country not governed by (Shari3a and there are four principals to it) Al kitaab, As'sunnah, jama3 as'sa7aba wa bab al'ijtihaad, a country that prefers to bring foreign forces to kill its own citizens is as good as any kaffir country. They pillage & murder galore everyday they give themselves the rights to slaughter freedom fighters or random shmoes on the streets and call them collateral damage or terrorist cells, they love their laws so much they often cite them when they kill, so why are we so apologetic for ours? People like Dr. Mursi take one step forward and ten back he's already signed up for something 7aram so even if he enters this matrix to try to fix it from the inside he won't be able to.. do you know why because they covered all the angles well. If it hasn't worked since 1923 it won't work no matter how much you try on the offense .. it isn't a game you should be playing at all. Get out of the game they assigned you and decide which rules and which game to play on your own turf!
It is like when you sign up for a credit card with interest rates and an automatic savings account. It doesn't matter if you want to work to lower or erase your interest and close the savings in a vicious cycle. You've already signed on the dotted line to do something inherently wrong!
There are some amazing Muslims in South Africa, like there in India and Mali and Egypt etc. they call them what they've called the prophets & righteous before, they called them backwards and crazy and bloodthirsty and fundamentalists etc. etc. then they dump them in prison if they torture them, kill em and then call it suicide.. really think about it... I see two groups of people and no third to them!

 

[Abz2000]

Allowing kuffar governments to control the Internet is scary,
They themselves promote sexual deviance and this can be seen by what was allowed on tv and newspapers two decades ago vs now.
The only thing they would do efficiently is ensure access to critical information on global events is restricted while they use the mass media to deceive people,

Saudi Arabia is a case in point, it blocks sites with porn or content which indicates pornography, but at the same time it blocks sites with alternative news and information crucial to those wanting to know what is really happening on the field,
More than a few of the mujahideen sites were blocked and instead had a number to call if you believed it should. R made available,
Lol - call the number and it wouldn't take a brain surgeon to realise that the person would be enrolled on a "potential threat" database.

Sad situation, when one looks at it objectively, they see it's a mess,
The real problem are the root causes, and that is the existence kufr itself.

 

[Muhaba]

In the UAE, porn is blocked. It's a good place to stay because there isn't much fitna, only in shopping malls and the beach..however some European women are pushing it..thinking they can walk around with dental floss for briefs around neighborhoods.

Actually there's more fitna in UAE than one can imagine. Women on the street are nearly naked, some weariing miniskirts or just a blouse for a skirt while others have their tops half open, long necklines, sleeveless tops, etc etc. not to mention men and women walking hand in hand or with their arms around each other. I was there a couple months ago and that was the scene everywhere in Dubai, on the street, in malls, in the metro. The place is awful. Recently i read on Gufnews that the zoo has asked women to wear long skirts but don't know if they implement that rule and whether they will only implement it in the zoo or in all public places too. The place makes money through tourism and lots of european and russians visit it, bringing with them their immodest dresscode. I don't think UAE will implement any law that might discourage tourists.

 

[Muhaba]

Where do you suggest? All the countries of Muslims are now daar Al-7arb.
I have been trying since 2008 to emigrate to a Muslim country.. do you want to know what happens when I apply in KSA or UAE or Qatar, the first two plainly refer me to their American offices, Qatar is very difficult to emigrate to as well.

You make a mistake applying to embassies of these countries. Their visa system is not like the visa system of USA (or other countries). These countries' embassies don't give visas. To get residence/employment visa, you need to get a job and the company that hires you will directly provide the visa, obtaining the visa from the immigration ministry within the country. Companies can get work and visit visas and provide it to individuals. People don't get visas from consulates or embassies. citizens of some countries (such as european countries, usa, etc) can get a visit visa on the airport while citizens of other countries (such as India and Phillipines) must get a visit visa through someone's sponsorship or they buy them from hotels, travel agencies, and private companies.

To get a job in any of these countries (Oman, Qatar, UAE, Saudi Arabia) one can apply to jobs advertised by job agencies, classified ads, or apply directly to companies, organizations, schools, colleges, hospitals, etc (through their website for example). Once the company has hired you, they will apply for your visa by submitting passport copy, photograph, and document photocopies. If approved, a paper visa is issued by the ministry. After that, you can enter the country with that visa. When you enter the country, you show the visa and it is stamped in your passport. Afterward, you have to do other stuff, like getting a health card, etc. If you're already in the country (on visit) when your visa is issued, you need to exit the country ad re-enter on th new visa. Visa periods are normally three years but may be less. Some job agencies to try are: jobs-me.com and Nadias.

 

[Cabdullahi]

Actually there's more fitna in UAE than one can imagine. Women on the street are nearly naked, some weariing miniskirts or just a blouse for a skirt while others have their tops half open, long necklines, sleeveless tops, etc etc. not to mention men and women walking hand in hand or with their arms around each other. I was there a couple months ago and that was the scene everywhere in Dubai, on the street, in malls, in the metro. The place is awful. Recently i read on Gufnews that the zoo has asked women to wear long skirts but don't know if they implement that rule and whether they will only implement it in the zoo or in all public places too. The place makes money through tourism and lots of european and russians visit it, bringing with them their immodest dresscode. I don't think UAE will implement any law that might discourage tourists.

I don't know much about dubai but abu dhabi is a little bit better, it is certainly better than London in terms of fitnah. anywhere is better than London so long as the disoriented ladies there dont say ''excuse us lad's..have you guys got a car..maybe you can drop us off'.

I don't think a lot of people know what porn is, porn 30 years ago was a lady with bikini strolling down the beach, porn now is something completely different, because of the Coolidge effect. The chasing of bigger, explosive highs has resulted in the production of shocking material where, more often than not, the woman is being thrown about, strangled, punched, spat on and sometimes mutilated, but of course it's not wrong - nothing is wrong with it - as long as both parties consent to doing that sort of thing - that's what they say.

15 year old comes along and watches these videos, will he/she have a normal view on sex/marriage/relationships or a skewed view?

 

[جوري]

To sr. Writer - I've no recollection of stating I applied through embassies - in fact I apply directly to their hospitals and their hospitals don't belong to them at all they're mostly a joint venture with the west.
You apply to Saudi you'll find yourself speaking to someone from the Ohio clinic, Qatar's Hamad is Weil cornel etc.
and they're often confused why you'd want to relocate there when you live in the west and have the original institution here. Saudi Arabia is the most difficult of all at least Qatar has an application to fill out and they're free to ignore you later.
I have been pursuing this long enough to know you've to have someone on the inside to see that path to fruition!

 

[Ali_008]

^^ Get married to an Arab, sister. Not only will you be able to relocate, you'll even become an Arab citizen. Being someone who desires Arab citizenship, I can tell you its priceless. ;D