Egypt pigs meet cruel fate in swine flu cull

[Whatsthepoint]

I don't know about every single chicken, but even if they didn't people refused to buy them, I was there not a couple of months ago, and still they refuse to eat chicken.. so what can I say, Egyptians know best what suits them.. it is really not an issue for the west to observe or comment on, given their record of ignoring more pressing issues...

as for flu.. do we need to have casualties before we decide to take measures? even though it is difficult if not impossible to have the flu that way, why take risks? prevention is better than a cure, considering they don't have the same ease at obtaining Zanamivir or oseltmavir in the unlikely case it that it does happen.. one human life is more important than all the pigs in the world!

all the best

Do we destroy hundreds of people's livelihood based on a negligible possibility that someone may be infected with a curable disease?

 

[جوري]

Do we destroy hundreds of people's livelihood based on a negligible possibility that someone may be infected with a curable disease?

indeed.. also you don't know how many pig sellers there are, or whether or not the christian Egyptian community which makes up only 10% of Egypt's population is interested in eating pigs or not?.. I have already covered this aspect a few posts ago, why do you keep bringing it up?

There is always a loss incurred in the business of buying and selling.. most merchants accept that risk and even have insurance, so don't start with the violin ..

all the best

 

[Whatsthepoint]

indeed.. also you don't know how many pig sellers there are, or whether or not the christian Egyptian community which makes up only 10% of Egypt's population is interested in eating pigs or not?.. I have already covered this aspect a few posts ago, why do you keep bringing it up?

There is always a loss incurred in the business of buying and selling.. most merchants accept that risk and even have insurance, so don't start with the violin ..

all the best

I know there's market risk butin this case the state simply killed every pig in the country which they didn't do with chikens even though there have been cases of the avian flu.

 

[جوري]

I know there's market risk butin this case the state simply killed every pig in the country which they didn't do with chikens even though there have been cases of the avian flu.

you can't prove either points, so why dwell?

there are always folks hoarding pigs just like there were folks chicken.. fact of the matter is, an educated consumer wasn't interested.. so whether Egypt is pig or chicken free or full, it didn't matter, because in the end it comes down to what folks wish to purchase!

all the best

 

[Whatsthepoint]

you can't prove either points, so why dwell?

there are always folks hoarding pigs just like there were folks chicken.. fact of the matter is, an educated consumer wasn't interested.. so whether Egypt is pig or chicken free or full, it didn't matter, because in the end it comes down to what folks wish to purchase!

all the best

It is a fact no case of the new flu was recorded in Egypt, avian flu cases were recorded, all pigs were killed, not every chicken was killed.
Why let market reduce itself for chickens and not for pigs? that's all I'm asking.

 

[جوري]

It is a fact no case of the new flu was recorded in Egypt, avian flu cases were recorded, all pigs were killed, not every chicken was killed.
Why let market reduce itself for chickens and not for pigs? that's all I'm asking.

It is a ratio issue, more people eat chicken than pigs you are bound to have records of avian flu, perhaps they have learned from old mistakes and have no desire to repeat them, especially with an animal that for most belongs in the zoo and not on the menu ..
as for market reduce itself for chicken and not pigs, well that flew over my head, I have no idea what that means.. and again, you don't know whether 'all' pigs were killed, I'd refrain from using such definitive terms.. you haven't surveyed every nook and cranny in the old country..

all the best

 

[Trumble]

Humans as far as I am concerned come first before swine.. whether in Gaza or due to an epidemic...

Likewise. However, your implied choice is spurious, there is no conflict or need to put one ahead of the other.

Meat from pigs infected with the new H1N1 virus shouldn’t be used for human consumption, people put animals down all the time for whatever reason, and this case is no different!

I don't have your scientific expertise, but it seems common sense to me that as no other country is slaughtering pigs even when, unlike Egypt, people have actually contracted the disease, there is no scientific reason to do so. In the UK for example, it hasn't even been mentioned; and yet we are quite happy to start slaughtering cows, sheep and chickens in vast numbers when required. The simple fact is that had the disease been 'bovine flu' and these been cows farmed by muslims rather than pigs farmed by Christians this simply would not have happened.

All that aside, you might still have a vestige of a case if the animals were killed humanely. They were not.

Most articles written about anything to do with Islam, has no care for any 'poor animal' in mind, they have one thing in mind and that is distorting the image of Islam and Muslims

That might be rather more difficult if they weren't presented with such an obvious target. I'm afraid these particular muslims have only themselves to blame.

 

[جوري]

Likewise. However, your implied choice is spurious, there is no conflict or need to put one ahead of the other.

I disagree.. Human life is more important and takes priority and is ahead of the other whether subjects to war or to swine flu (or other swine maladies)!
[22:65] Seest thou not that Allah has made subject to you (men) all that is on the earth, and the ships that sail through the sea by His command?

I don't have your scientific expertise, but it seems common sense to me that as no other country is slaughtering pigs even when, unlike Egypt, people have actually contracted the disease, there is no scientific reason to do so. In the UK for example, it hasn't even been mentioned; and yet we are quite happy to start slaughtering cows, sheep and chickens in vast numbers when required. The simple fact is that had the disease been 'bovine flu' and these been cows farmed by muslims rather than pigs farmed by Christians this simply would not have happened.

Egypt is a sovereign Nation and is free to pass whatever laws it sees fit to ensure the safety of its subjects.. same thing was done during the bird flu, this is no different-- I don't agree with cruelty, but then I hazard take a western confirmation of it, just given their agenda!

All that aside, you might still have a vestige of a case if the animals were killed humanely. They were not.

Hence I state, if it aggrieves the west so, then it can come with truck loads and kill them humanely or take them for lunch meat.
I don't have a list of names of who is killing them and inhumanely, but I think if it left me awake at night, then that would be the logical thing to do.
and again, Many folks are killed very inhumanely by white phosphorus bombs and I am not sure I have seen the same uproar or ridiculous asinine comments or even made similar efforts to save the children or act humanely enough to let relief efforts in and lift economic sanctions..
If it is a matter of priority then I believe prevention is indeed better than a cure considering Egypt's resources or lack thereof.

Western countries aren't an example by which sovereign nations take their example, just given their record on slaughtering humans!

That might be rather more difficult if they weren't presented with such an obvious target. I'm afraid these particular muslims have only themselves to blame.

I don't think any Muslim feels blame, or even cares to address the issue. It is a non-issue as far as I am concerned brought up by impotent hypocrites who fail to offer the same brouhaha to human life.. It is actually rather obvious to the rest of us..

all the best

 

[Wyatt]

A lot of muslims seem to thinks pigs are the worst of animals just because they were banned by Allah to eat, and that they are bad or something.

They're Allah's creation, so why should they be treated as if they were no good?

And, still, why did they kill these pigs when it is the working with them that causes it? It's unnecessary.

I'm not so sure Allah would be happy for a country to start slaughtering innocent animals in cruel ways even when there hasn't been a case of the Swine Flu there. But, that's just my assumption. (Apparently there has been a case in Egypt, but it was from a German tourist who visited a pig farm in Germany?)

It's not the justice that has me in an uproar about it, it's the ignorant stupidity and lack of guilt "because I felt like they were killing me". :mmokay:


:raging: KILL THOSE NASTY PIGS! MURDERING SWINE!! (BUT IGNORE THAT WE TOOK PART IN THE CREATION OF THE DISEASE AND DON'T TAKE PRECAUTION TO PREVENT THAT!)

 

[GreyKode]

he simple fact is that had the disease been 'bovine flu' and these been cows farmed by muslims rather than pigs farmed by Christians this simply would not have happened

LOL..I live in egypt and fyi a good share of the pig farmers are muslims themsleves.

 

[جوري]

A lot of muslims seem to thinks pigs are the worst of animals just because they were banned by Allah to eat, and that they are bad or something.

That is not the case at all.. It is a case of what potential harm can be inflicted in a catastrophic fashion by these animals in a country so ill-equipped to handle it!

They're Allah's creation, so why should they be treated as if they were no good?

see above reply.

And, still, why did they kill these pigs when it is the working with them that causes it? It's unnecessary.

Again, euthanizing animals is a necessary evil at times.. happens all the time even in the west.. I don't personally know how they are being handled, if it is a fact or a piece of western propaganda .. but in such circumstance I think it is definitely allowed!

I'm not so sure Allah would be happy for a country to start slaughtering innocent animals in cruel ways even when there hasn't been a case of the Swine Flu there. But, that's just my assumption. (Apparently there has been a case in Egypt, but it was from a German tourist who visited a pig farm in Germany?)

Allah swt has given us reason and using our best judgment as fits a circumstance .. I think in such a case it is perfectly justifiable.. I have never justified torture but again, I really can't assume to believe they are being tortured because some folks with an agenda or from peta seem to think so.

It's not the justice that has me in an uproar about it, it's the ignorant stupidity and lack of guilt "because I felt like they were killing me". :mmokay:

I don't think it is as black or white as all that!

:raging: KILL THOSE NASTY PIGS! MURDERING SWINE!! (BUT IGNORE THAT WE TOOK PART IN THE CREATION OF THE DISEASE AND DON'T TAKE PRECAUTION TO PREVENT THAT!)

I don't believe Egypt partook in the 'creation' of that disease, but people could potentially stand to suffer.. again, there is such a thing as preventative medicine.. and this case is no different...

peace

 

[HopeFul]

Assalamoalaikum

Killing animals with cruelty, or any cruelty has no place in Islam having said that, why does egypt have pigs? Why does it farm pigs? If it is not allowed to be eaten then it shouldnt even be kept in the first place.

It is so inhumane to breed an animal and then kill it on a massive scale in a torturous way, ewww.

 

[Trumble]

I disagree.. Human life is more important and takes priority and is ahead of the other whether subjects to war or to swine flu (or other swine maladies)!

You 'disagree' with what? I said before that I agree human life is more important. Here, though, there is no conflict between the two; this mindless slaughter didn't save a single human life in Egypt, Gaza or anywhere else.

Many folks are killed very inhumanely by white phosphorus bombs and I am not sure I have seen the same uproar or ridiculous asinine comments or even made similar efforts to save the children or act humanely enough to let relief efforts in and lift economic sanctions.

See above. However, there was actually far more of an 'uproar' about white phosphorus than about the slaughter of these pigs (and rightly so), about which I've seen precisely one TV news slot, of 20 seconds or so.

I don't think any Muslim feels blame, or even cares to address the issue. It is a non-issue as far as I am concerned...

And that, I'm afraid, is just painting another target on top of the first. I guess it's just fortunate you never decided to become a vet.

Do you actually have any evidence to support your contention that it was "brought up by impotent hypocrites who fail to offer the same brouhaha to human life.."? That statement is, of course, unsupportable rubbish... when exposed, animal cruelty of this nature is always publicised by animal rights campaigners and even just simple compassionate human beings wherever it occurs, and whoever is responsible. Such people are usually rather more concerned about preserving human life and making a 'brouhaha' about doing so than most.

 

[Yanal]

No animal deserves that. May Allah guide them,some of my collegues have started to eat pork and rice,so no one cares as much...

 

[جوري]

You 'disagree' with what? I said before that I agree human life is more important. Here, though, there is no conflict between the two; this mindless slaughter didn't save a single human life in Egypt, Gaza or anywhere else.

you said:

Originally Posted by Trumble
there is no conflict or need to put one ahead of the other.

which if nothing else can be taken to equate human life with pigs or any other creature-- at least that is how I understood it!

See above. However, there was actually far more of an 'uproar' about white phosphorus than about the slaughter of these pigs (and rightly so), about which I've seen precisely one TV news slot, of 20 seconds or so.

If there was such an uproar, then one would reckon the situation would rapidly improve, but it hasn't .. as for the pig situation, the hateful comments and time allotted is quite massive on the internet and youtube!

And that, I'm afraid, is just painting another target on top of the first. I guess it's just fortunate you never decided to become a vet. Do you actually have any evidence to support your contention that it was "brought up by impotent hypocrites who fail to offer the same brouhaha to human life.."? That statement is, of course, unsupportable rubbish... when exposed, animal cruelty of this nature is always publicised by animal rights campaigners and even just simple compassionate human beings wherever it occurs, and whoever is responsible. Such people are usually rather more concerned about preserving human life and making a 'brouhaha' about doing so than most.

I haven't nor do I support the cruelty of animals, my cousin is in fact a veterinarian, I find it a rather frivolous career choice especially in a country like Egypt, which is just the same, she went back to get a doctorate in microbiology -- the less you have the more your priorities change.. and in this case it is no different.

If you made only £2000 a month (and we are talking egyptian not British) as that is in fact what is common, then I reckon Roger & Gallet shower gel and Manolo Blahnik shoes wouldn't be on your list of priorities when you have to pay rent, get health care for your family and put food on the table.. try to carry that anaology through.. No where have I condoned cruelty to animals, however, I think it is indeed necessary for a country that is very ill-equiped to handle any health crisis of that caliber to do whatever it takes to protect its citizens. No eveidence to support has no room here really.. you either do or you take your chances and they have opted for the first and its their right to do so!

as for your later statements.. I really don't know, why bring it up at all, if there was no agenda involved?

all the best

 

[Periwinkle]

In fact, swine flu is a virus spread thro' respiration and cannot be contracted through eating pork. It is a variant which includes avian and human factors, thank goodness the Egytian Govt. (in their ignorance) only slaughtered the swine.

Centuries ago pork was considered unclean because pigs (like other animals and humans) carried tape worms which could transfer to humans, especially in warm climates. Now of course they are regularily dosed so that this does not happen.

 

[جوري]

In fact, swine flu is a virus spread thro' respiration and cannot be contracted through eating pork. It is a variant which includes avian and human factors, thank goodness the Egytian Govt. (in their ignorance) only slaughtered the swine.

Centuries ago pork was considered unclean because pigs (like other animals and humans) carried tape worms which could transfer to humans, especially in warm climates. Now of course they are regularily dosed so that this does not happen.

Greetings

It doesn't matter whether or not they are regulated.. those who don't eat swine/pigs and their derivatives do so for religious reasons not health reasons.
Eating pigs to some people could be equated with eating giraffes or hippopotamus.. not every animals that is created is so for human consumption!

but you are certainly welcome to all the pigs of Egypt..

all the best

 

[salafy_masry]

I think the killing was not done correctly .. but it was a great move from the government al hamdullilah ...

Also .. I think some brother said it before me .. they are crying over pigs and not crying over babies and kids that was/and is killed by the occupation in Palestine ??

 

[SirZubair]

The green fella' in my Avatar is very sad, as he loves pigs bigtime...

 

[Fishman]

This is disgusting. Don't they know that not caring about the feelings of others (be they human or not) is a far worse disease than swine flu will ever be?