Egypt to charge Muslim Brotherhood leaders

[Whatsthepoint]

FYI, the oldest (and still operating!) university in the whole dunya (= this world) is in Qahirah (Cairo), Egypt. It's Al-Azhar University. So you can pack the baby universities like Oxford, Princeton and the rest in a baby rucksack. Yes, those countries are rich because of oil, true, but not by selling alcohol to the tourists or by tourism itself. It's just a drop of water compared to oil. Why do you think that dirty animal who hears on name "bush" attacked Iraq and the first thing they did was to occupy the oil platforms?

The Turks (and every other nation) will only go down if they decide to move away from the Law of Allah ta'ala, be it a majority Muslim country or not, and can only prosper in this and the next life if they stick to the Law of Allah ta'ala. His Law is Universal and has no errors like the human invented laws.

PS I never said Islam is lazy. You'll find lazy people anywhere. I think you know exactly what I wanted to say. Muslims are not Islam. Islam is not Muslims. I hope that's clear?

PS2 a Mujtaheed is the one who can take out the rulings out of the Sources of Islam, one who is capable to give out a fatwa (a religious verdict on a matter). Many of these scholars knew not only the Qur'an by heart and the Tafseer (explanation of the Qur'an), but some knew even more than 100,000 Hadiths (sayings from the Allah's Messenger, peace and blessings upon him) and their explanations, they were master linguists of the Arabic language, they were well trained in other disciplines of science, etc.
One could easily say that what today's Doctors of Science know is a drop of water compared to the first generations (and later) of Islamic scholars.

Age is not important.kay: It's the current state that I am interested in. There are no famous, top10, top100 universities in the islamiv world.
And, your mistaken. Al-Azhar is not the oldest university in the World. It's University of Al Karaouine in Marocco.kay: Anyway, you're right, islamic universities are the oldest, although european ones aren't particulary younger.:shade:
Don't think so. Oil contributes only about 5% of Dubaian economy. kay:
I thought so. I can agree that a "perfect muslim can probably also stand for a "perfect human being". However, perfection is inachievable.:hiding:
Sounds very hard indeed.:uuh:

 

[SATalha]

Perfectionis achieveble and it has been achieved.

 

[جوري]

FYI, the oldest (and still operating!) university in the whole dunya (= this world) is in Qahirah (Cairo), Egypt. It's Al-Azhar University. .

I generally don't like responding to the awkwardly simple and provincial statements brought to us by some of the non-muslims on board.. but I can't believe anyone in this world wouldn't know that the whole concept of IV league was actually borrowed amongst other things from Islamic universities.. how funny are some people? as for modern day Muslims.. I still say we are doing much better than the locals ...

Middle Eastern immigrants were highly educated, with 49 percent holding at least a bachelor's degree, compared to 28 percent of natives.

Median earnings for Middle Eastern men were $39,000 a year compared to $38,000 for native workers.

they tend to be better-educated than native U.S. residents — about half hold bachelor's degrees, compared to 28 percent of natives. They also perform as well economically as natives — 30- and 40-year-old Middle Eastern males with a college education have the same median income as natives, and Middle East immigrants are more likely be self-employed.




Middle Eastern Immigrants in U.S. Educated, Prosperous, Study Says
Gannett News Service, August 15, 2002

(Also ran in Arizona Republic - 8/15)

WASHINGTON — Middle Eastern immigrants in the United States are well educated, earn more money than most Americans and are predominantly Muslim, according to a report released Wednesday.

They also are among the nation's fastest-growing immigrant groups, according to the report issued by the Center for Immigration Studies in Washington, a think tank that supports reducing the number of immigrants to the United States.

The report says the number of Middle Eastern immigrants increased from fewer than 200,000 in 1970 to almost 1.5 million in 2000. The overall number of foreign-born residents in the United States tripled to 31 million over the same period.

The report offers a rare portrait of an immigrant group that has received intense scrutiny and negative publicity since the Sept. 11 attacks.
Project MAPS, a survey of "Muslims in the American Public Square" conducted in 2001-2002 by researchers at Georgetown University, found that 86 percent of all Muslim professionals were concentrated in three careers: engineering, computer science, and medicine. Law, law enforcement, and politics accounted for a minuscule 0.6 percent. American Muslims, some demographers say, have also been voting well below their numbers in the population -- registering to vote at only half the national rate, according to the 2001 American Religious Identification Survey [PDF], a project of the Graduate Center of the City University of New York. "If they ever did play to their weight" in the electoral arena and in Washington, Muslims "would be a much more considerable force in public policy-making," says Steve Clemons, a Democrat who directs the American Strategy Program at the New America Foundation in Washington.

http://www.wilsoncenter.org/topics/p...ab_America.pdf
http://www.cis.org/articles/2002/mideastcoverage.html

but then we are accustomed to the regular unimaginative ill educated non-muslims on board too.. so I suppose it is only a fair exchange we think so low of them too!

 

[MadeenJibreel]

Age is not important.kay: It's the current state that I am interested in. There are no famous, top10, top100 universities in the islamiv world.
And, your mistaken. Al-Azhar is not the oldest university in the World. It's University of Al Karaouine in Marocco.kay: Anyway, you're right, islamic universities are the oldest, although european ones aren't particulary younger.:shade:
Don't think so. Oil contributes only about 5% of Dubaian economy. kay:
I thought so. I can agree that a "perfect muslim can probably also stand for a "perfect human being". However, perfection is inachievable.:hiding:
Sounds very hard indeed.:uuh:

I said the oldest operating University, I'm well aware of the one in Maghreeb. And that one BTW is also Islamic. About Al-Azhar, there are literally counless number of students who come every year from more than 100 different countries of this world to study, that number ain't good enough for you?

PS It's not about the perfection - it's about trying harder, it's about competing in doing good works, not like the western philosophy will teach you: mo' money and less respect, etc.

PS2 What's that thing about the tongue? How old are you?

 

[جوري]

Do you not see it in motion already?

I do.. how about you? I have posted a rather large post here on the signs of the end.. but it was compendious.. there is no substitute for reading all the volumes.. but that could take yrs of ones life.. I rahter just enjoy books on the matter that are done sequentially...

 

[MadeenJibreel]

I generally don't like responding to the awkwardly simple and provincial statements brought to us by some of the non-muslims on board.. but I can't believe anyone in this world wouldn't know that the whole concept of IV league was actually borrowed amongst other things from Islamic universities.. how funny are some people? as for modern day Muslims.. I still say we are doing much better than the locals ...

Middle Eastern immigrants were highly educated, with 49 percent holding at least a bachelor's degree, compared to 28 percent of natives.

Median earnings for Middle Eastern men were $39,000 a year compared to $38,000 for native workers.

they tend to be better-educated than native U.S. residents — about half hold bachelor's degrees, compared to 28 percent of natives. They also perform as well economically as natives — 30- and 40-year-old Middle Eastern males with a college education have the same median income as natives, and Middle East immigrants are more likely be self-employed.




Middle Eastern Immigrants in U.S. Educated, Prosperous, Study Says
Gannett News Service, August 15, 2002

(Also ran in Arizona Republic - 8/15)

WASHINGTON — Middle Eastern immigrants in the United States are well educated, earn more money than most Americans and are predominantly Muslim, according to a report released Wednesday.

They also are among the nation's fastest-growing immigrant groups, according to the report issued by the Center for Immigration Studies in Washington, a think tank that supports reducing the number of immigrants to the United States.

The report says the number of Middle Eastern immigrants increased from fewer than 200,000 in 1970 to almost 1.5 million in 2000. The overall number of foreign-born residents in the United States tripled to 31 million over the same period.

The report offers a rare portrait of an immigrant group that has received intense scrutiny and negative publicity since the Sept. 11 attacks.
Project MAPS, a survey of "Muslims in the American Public Square" conducted in 2001-2002 by researchers at Georgetown University, found that 86 percent of all Muslim professionals were concentrated in three careers: engineering, computer science, and medicine. Law, law enforcement, and politics accounted for a minuscule 0.6 percent. American Muslims, some demographers say, have also been voting well below their numbers in the population -- registering to vote at only half the national rate, according to the 2001 American Religious Identification Survey [PDF], a project of the Graduate Center of the City University of New York. "If they ever did play to their weight" in the electoral arena and in Washington, Muslims "would be a much more considerable force in public policy-making," says Steve Clemons, a Democrat who directs the American Strategy Program at the New America Foundation in Washington.

http://www.wilsoncenter.org/topics/p...ab_America.pdf
http://www.cis.org/articles/2002/mideastcoverage.html

but then we are accustomed to the regular unimaginative ill educated non-muslims on board too.. so I suppose it is only a fair exchange we think so low of them too!

What non-Muslim westerners don't realize is that the knowledge as such is meaningless if one will use its power for this life only, if one cannot avail of it in the eternity, in the next life. That's why a simple illiterate Muslim man, who has even base of the knowledge of Islam and none of the knowledge if this life (although that not advisable for practical reasons and prosperity) is in much better position and shape than any Ph.D. in any other science.

PS Ameri-c-a is certainly not the right place to live for a Muslim soul.

 

[SATalha]

I do.. how about you? I have posted a rather large post here on the signs of the end.. but it was compendious.. there is no substitute for reading all the volumes.. but that could take yrs of ones life.. I rahter just enjoy books on the matter that are done sequentially...

While reading through the posts i sense that there is a deniel by people who think that Islam and people wanting Islamic Law is on the rise. Yes there maybe few muslim countries that have people who dont want Shariah, but they tend to be poorly educated in their deen and have been filled with western ideals.

 

[sudais1]

Well, there are a couple Muslim countries in which voting is fairly free, such as Indonesia, Albania or Mali for example?

Yet, have Muslims there voted for an Islamic state? It doesn't appear so. In fact, in all cases those favoring Islamic government and an Islamic legal system appear to be in a clearly minority? Not to say that couldn't change of course.

What have you read mate?

An Islamic Government was and loved in Somalia
Majority of Gambians want Islamic State
The people of Syria in Majority have called for Islamic State
90% of the Woman wear hijab now and want out Democracy
Same goes with Egypt
The Iraqi's are fighting to Establish Islamic State
Muslims of Pakistan want Musharraf out and Islamic state in
The Muslims in Chehchnya continue to fight the Russians to get Islamic State
Morrocco and Algerian people have stated their desire for Sharia due to the failure of Democracy.
The Muslims of Indoesnia carried a 100,000 strong demonstration and conference. Since the Stadium only held that Much

The Street Demonstration was much larger.

Muslims in the Gulf region want Islamic State but Can't speak out due to their Moneycrazy kings.

In short all Muslims want khalipha

 

[Whatsthepoint]

I generally don't like responding to the awkwardly simple and provincial statements brought to us by some of the non-muslims on board.. but I can't believe anyone in this world wouldn't know that the whole concept of IV league was actually borrowed amongst other things from Islamic universities.. how funny are some people? as for modern day Muslims.. I still say we are doing much better than the locals ...

Middle Eastern immigrants were highly educated, with 49 percent holding at least a bachelor's degree, compared to 28 percent of natives.

Median earnings for Middle Eastern men were $39,000 a year compared to $38,000 for native workers.

they tend to be better-educated than native U.S. residents — about half hold bachelor's degrees, compared to 28 percent of natives. They also perform as well economically as natives — 30- and 40-year-old Middle Eastern males with a college education have the same median income as natives, and Middle East immigrants are more likely be self-employed.

but then we are accustomed to the regular unimaginative ill educated non-muslims on board too.. so I suppose it is only a fair exchange we think so low of them too!

Amber (can I call you amber?), I don't know the situation in America, but I can tell you that middle eastern and arabic immigrants in Europe tend to be less educated than their bros in the states. Why? Beacuse our immigration legislation is not as harsh as yours, I guess.
Many come without any knowledge of the language spoken in their new country, they live in modern ghettos, districts with cheap appartments etc. They tend to be more violent and often indulge in crime. Great amounts of them live on welfare.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

I said the oldest operating University, I'm well aware of the one in Maghreeb. And that one BTW is also Islamic. About Al-Azhar, there are literally counless number of students who come every year from more than 100 different countries of this world to study, that number ain't good enough for you?

PS It's not about the perfection - it's about trying harder, it's about competing in doing good works, not like the western philosophy will teach you: mo' money and less respect, etc.

PS2 What's that thing about the tongue? How old are you?

th one in Maghreb is the odlest operating university...I know, did I say it wasn't islamic?
No, it ain't good enough for me. I imagine Al-azhar is not a real university but rather an islamic theology school. I don't care if muslims (it admits muslims only!!) from all over the world study there.
I know. I like Islam. In fact, that's sth I like about all religions.
That's the philosophy of the past few centuries. Western philosophy is much much more than this.

 

[aamirsaab]

This thread is 2 or so months old and all the recent posts are off-topic.

Time for tubby bye-bye.