Eleven planets in the Solar System?!

11 planets is one post fact that should definately be dropped as an implied scientific miracle.
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that site stated its some kind of miracle.it has been dropped.
 
root said:
I am well aware that the Koran defines miracles after the fact has deen discovered, however. 11 planets is one post fact that should definately be dropped as an implied scientific miracle.
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The verse that talks about 11 planets/stars isn't mentioning the amount of planets in the solar system or anything. It just desrcribes the dream of Yusuf. So I don't see how it should be desrcibed as a verse that mentiones the number of planets or anything?
 
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Rather than trying to interpret the verse into a scientific statement, we have to accept what was most likely the reality. Remember, the Qur'an is not making a statement that there are 11 planets/stars, rather it was saying that Yusuf (as) dreamed of 11 planets/stars. We should interpret this in the way Yusuf (as) would most likely have seen it, because he is the one relating his dream.

Thus, he distinguished between stars and the sun because of how it appeared to him in the dream. He would have seen 11 small luminous stars, a large reflective orb, and a large shining fiery orb. Thus, 11 stars, 1 moon, and 1 sun. This is also why the same word is used for planets and stars because they would have appeared very similar in the night sky.

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Out of interest, what would we have made of things if their were 11 planets?

I would probably have been debating that it was not (Yet another) scientific miracle stated by the Koran!

:-)
 
root said:
Out of interest, what would we have made of things if their were 11 planets?

I would probably have been debating that it was not (Yet another) scientific miracle stated by the Koran!

:-)
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The fact is it is not referring to the 11 planets so it doesnt really matter, but in all fairness and no disrespect intended debating whether the Quran has scientific miracles you have not done a very good job thus far convincing us, as it seems to be the same old anti-islamic claims that have been refuted.

Peace
 
Ansar Al-'Adl said:
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Rather than trying to interpret the verse into a scientific statement, we have to accept what was most likely the reality. Remember, the Qur'an is not making a statement that there are 11 planets/stars, rather it was saying that Yusuf (as) dreamed of 11 planets/stars. We should interpret this in the way Yusuf (as) would most likely have seen it, because he is the one relating his dream.

Thus, he distinguished between stars and the sun because of how it appeared to him in the dream. He would have seen 11 small luminous stars, a large reflective orb, and a large shining fiery orb. Thus, 11 stars, 1 moon, and 1 sun. This is also why the same word is used for planets and stars because they would have appeared very similar in the night sky.

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Good post. I agree. People (no one in particular, just people generally) need to chill and take things into perspective and in context when reading the Quran.

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Ansar Al-'Adl said:
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With regards to the ayat from the Qur'an, it can be translated as eleven stars or planets, the word is the same.

With regards to the number of planets in our solar system, there are debates because we don't have a standard definition of a planet.

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This is an interesting debate, I think. Some people say that Pluto is not a planet, it is just a ball of ice. But of course, what is a planet anyway?!

I'm surprised that the word for planets is the same as the word for stars. Surely they are clearly different?
 
Greetings,

I am well aware that the Koran defines miracles after the fact has deen discovered
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For the people living in the time during which the Qur'an was revealed, they would have accepted all aspects of the Qur'an without a question of a doubt. Now that we have technology and further understanding in science, scientific facts mentioned in the Qur'an are able to be proven and can thus be understood as miracles in light of current knowledge. I don't know why you keep bringing this claim up, when you know perfectly well that the Qur'an has been revealed over 1400 years ago and thus it is actually the other way round: the fact has been stated BEFORE it has been discovered by mankind!

Regards.
 
czgibson said:
I'm surprised that the word for planets is the same as the word for stars. Surely they are clearly different?
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Well, in terms of the old arabic they were the same, because they appeared the same to people at that time. In fact, in english, the only reason for the distinction between "planet" and "star" was that planets were those stars that "wandered" across the night sky.

ps. welcome to the forum. :)
 
so those eleven planets weren't actually planets?I have got it.
 
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Abdul Aziz said:
so those eleven planets weren't actually planets?I have got it.
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It was a dream brother, not a scientific description. He dreamed of 11 tiny bright orbs, a large reflective one, and a large fiery one.

So those eleven planets/stars do not need to correspond to real planets/stars. Just like in the other dream mentioned in the Surah, the fat cows and the lean cows do not need to correspond to real cows, instead they were symbolic of the upcoming years for the kingdom.

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Ansar Al-'Adl said:
Well, in terms of the old arabic they were the same, because they appeared the same to people at that time. In fact, in english, the only reason for the distinction between "planet" and "star" was that planets were those stars that "wandered" across the night sky.

ps. welcome to the forum. :)
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Thank you for the welcome.

Ah, I see. I had somehow assumed that Arabic had not changed, like the way the Qu'ran has not changed. In modern Arabic there is surely a distinction, though, isn't there?

I had forgotten the point you mention about the distinction in English - I now remember that astronomers used to talk about "the morning star" and "the evening star". It was an important day for them when they discovered that they are in fact the same thing - the planet Venus.
 
Speaking of Venus, here's a random picture of a mutated Venus Flytrap to brighten up the mood.

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'Feed me! Feed me!'
 
Hi Callum,
I had forgotten the point you mention about the distinction in English - I now remember that astronomers used to talk about "the morning star" and "the evening star". It was an important day for them when they discovered that they are in fact the same thing - the planet Venus.
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Good point, nicely spotted.

peace.
 
11 Planets and Yusuf

Asalaamu alaykum.

Wow, things have changed since I was in school. We now have two more planets!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6037844.stm


I've heard the Quran say there are 11 planets (from the verse regarding Yusuf and the prostration of the sun, moon and 11 'stars').

Another ayaah of Allah?
 
Re: 11 Planets and Yusuf

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I count dwarf planets as proper planets anyway. And I count Ceres as an asteroid.
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