Eleven-year-old girl gives birth in Bulgaria

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evryone is different but i think at 11 ur still a child ,it happens in ex communism countries ,when i was 14 this girl in my class had a finance and no one made a big deal ,keep thinking now what the hell,
 
adriatic82 said:
evryone is different but i think at 11 ur still a child ,it happens in ex communism countries ,when i was 14 this girl in my class had a finance and no one made a big deal ,keep thinking now what the hell,
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You think is a child,but she consieve,so she wasn't ;D
playng with toys,boys,babies...+o(

no big deal 10 year-old with bf like that is in Bulgaria :hiding:
 
i believe that people who passively insult a dead man to cover up their hatred/get their point across, affirm for themselves cowardice and idiocy!
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What dead man?
 
titus said:
What person starts a discussion by declaring the person who disagrees with them ignorant and morally bankrupt? Your air of self-importance is amusing.
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nice try but not funny. I never said I do not lack knowledge. But yes, we do have higher moral ground because our morality is based upon the legislation and standards of the Creator unlike you.

secondly, it tells the story, when you fail to understand people's speech and unable to recognize your deficiency of lacking in knowledge or more like not admitting the fact.

titus said:
You declare me morally bankrupt? Exactly what do you know about me that makes you eligible to make that statement? You assume way too much my friend. Don't let your obvious hatred of non-Muslims cloud your judgment.
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the fact that you operate on the principle and standard that there is not such thing as absolute truth, and you are capable of deriving morality using your own reasoning and intellect tells the story of where you stand. I tried to convey this point but....

titus said:
Is it your argument that my belief that 11 year old girls should not be having sex is morally bankrupt? Please explain further.
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no, and rest explained above. Funny thing is that you are implying that I am immoral if i say it is ok for 11 years old girl to get married but when I say the same thing to you due to your principles, you are complaining. lol

titus said:
Actually, yes it is your fault. I was not the only one that took it that way so obviously it would help if you made yourself a little more clearer.
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if you are not sure what the person meant then you ask and not jump to conclusions

titus said:
I also ask that you speak "to" me and not down to me. I will treat you with respect if you treat me with respect. These derogatory and offensive comments serve us no purpose.
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no one is looking down on you or trying to degrade you. We are simply discussing problems in your reasoning and doctrine and bringing out the facts. If you want to take them as disrespect then be my guest.

Secondly, first give respect to your Lord by obeying Him and then we can talk about giving respect to each other. Talk about hypocrisy: "how dare you not to respect me and give me my rights?" but when it comes to giving rights to Allah, you turn the other way.

titus said:
It is no more arrogant than telling people they should live life according to your standards, whether your standards come from the Quran, the Bible or Dianetics.
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do not mix up things please. We are not arrogant because we do not shove it down your throat neither we say these are our standards which we reached using our limited human capabilities. We simply relay what your Lord has revealed and legislated for everyone. Whether people want to follow it or not is their choice. There is a huge difference between what you are saying and what we are saying. Please try to grasp the difference here.

titus said:
That's a cop out. You either say they should get married or they shouldn't get married. Why you believe that is up to you, and in your case you believe that because of your religion.
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we relay what the Lord had legislated for us and He never mentioned any age rule which your people invented recently. Heck, even your ancestors did not believe in these laws which you have invented recently. Why: because age was never the deciding factor to recognize maturity and when someone is ready for marriage. Because this capability is different among people and even people 20+ years old not ready; however, your law recognize them as such.

Funny thing is that you did not even bother responding to rest of my arguments, which clearly pointed out the flaws in your arguments and unfair straw man attacks!

titus said:
My own countries? "Us" to follow them? I don't know why you keep wanting to make this a Muslim vs Non-Muslim issue. It isn't.

I only have one country, by the way.
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when I say your countries, I am not talking about Muslims vs non-Muslim. I am talking about every country which operates on the doctrine that they are capable of deriving the laws using their limited intellect. It covers every secular country including some Muslim countries, who have adopted secularism in their jurisdiction due to corrupt leaders.

So which countries' laws one should follow in this issue? Let's say, I live a a country which says it is ok for 13/14 years old to get married and I submitting to that law, then am I immoral and wrong? Why? By which standard would you reach that conclusion? If you say I am moral but then if I moved your country and laws of marriage is 18 years of age then I would be thrown in jail.

Do you understand the dilemma here by relying on age for marriage!?

titus said:
And this does have to do with age. In fact this entire thread would not exist and this would not be news but for the age of the girl involved. Age is central to this entire topic so it would be ridiculous to ignore it.
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do not misquote me by talking it out of context. I was not talking about her specifically as my comment was general. In fact, your own comment to which I responded to was general as you said:

Then you tell me what you define as "mentally able", "physically able", and "financially able". Who decides if an 11 year old is mentally able to get married? Who decides if someone is physically able? What, according to you, should be the criteria?
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So in this entire context, I was telling you that my argument in support of marriage is not based upon age, as you seem to keep bringing them up again and again; therefore, do not bring it up again and attack me with a straw man.

In fact, in this whole debate, I never said 11 years old or 9 years old or 30 years old is ready for marriage. Rather what I have been saying is that IF THREE conditions are met then they should be allowed to get married and no one should have a problem with this because this always have been the criteria and NOT AGE. In addition, this is what Lord of the worlds have legislated.

This is my last response and it seems you have trouble understanding people's speech. So you should work on that instead of arguing back and forth with no goal in mind.
 
i think any man who has sex with an eleven year old or just fancies them is a freak and a peadophile, and they wonder why there are so many sex offenders around. I think men that generally fancy any young girl who there way older than are sex manics. sorry boys buts thats the truth and you cant dress it up.
 
^ she definitely doesn't look eleven.

It is not uncommon for Roma girls to fall pregnant in their teens. Sliven is the underage mums capital of Europe with 177 cases last year. (ANI)
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If it's the norm, than what can you say? We find it weird that Koreans eat dogs. We find it weird that another nationality eats ants as popcorn. At the end of the day, it's their culture.
 
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Im not a legal or medical expert, but i really don't think that the consent of an 11 year old girl to having sex with a 19 year old is a tenable arguement to state that it doesn't count as paedophilia.

I don't know how anyone can posit that an 11 year old is capable of sound judgment with regard to such as issues as intercourse, pregnancy, STDs, marriage, parenthood, etc. To try and buttress that arguement by saying "oh well, that's their culture" is just not defensible. We could apply that arguement to some of the most savage and wildely reviled practices in the world today to legitimise them, but that wouldn't make them morally acceptable.
 
sahena12 said:
Well shes wearing makeup and doesnt look happy.
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Most brides look unhappy. I rarely seen a bride jumping up and down and laughing. XD

nocturnal said:
Im not a legal or medical expert, but i really don't think that the consent of an 11 year old girl to having sex with a 19 year old is a tenable arguement to state that it doesn't count as paedophilia.
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Well it does depend how you use the term paedophilia. Scientifically there are many criteria to be met. The requirement for psychological illnesses changes over time. There is a range of definitions...
 
Guestfellow said:
Most brides look unhappy. I rarely seen a bride jumping up and down and laughing. XD
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Rather, she was going into labor on her wedding day, I can't imagine that being something to smile about..

p.s pedophiles don't get married.. it isn't about commitment, it is about perverse pleasure with pre-pubertal girls.. the guy in the pic looks like a dolt!
 
It might seem really odd to us but people really bloom differently around the world.. you don't need to be a fossil to be married I think they might and should try to make it work not everyone is cut out to find the effects of ascorbic acid in patients with Charcot-Marie-Tooth disease type 1A, some people are happy being shepherds and farmers and there is really nothing wrong with that .. I feel kind of sorry for them but they seem hopeful and happy.. I really hope they don't put that dolt of a guy in jail...

“We know that having a baby is a big responsibility. My wife is young but I will make sure that I look after both of them if the law allows me,” Jeliazko said.

He dreams of giving his daughter a better future.

“I am going to work hard and make sure we all have a good life,” he said.

He added: “I want Violeta to be educated, to be able to read and write. She was born famous and maybe she will stay famous like becoming a doctor who invents brilliant medicine or saves lives.

“Whatever she does I will be proud of her - she is my little girl.”

It is not uncommon for Roma girls to fall pregnant in their teens. Sliven is the underage mums capital of Europe with 177 cases last year. (ANI)
 
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