English Defence League London Protest

[S_87]

I know that many are totaly against the Idea and see it as a first step to an Islamic state.
artur

TBH if it is Gods will that the UK becomes and islamic state no power on earth can stop that. But consider this for a second. the middle eastern countries are full of muslims. are they islamic states?(ok besides s.arabia-egypt,lebanon,syria,dubai and even morocco,pakistan,libya,algeria etc) does that not tell you something?

 

[Apathy]

you should ingore these toons if no one bats an eye lid they will go unoticed most of the right winged papers printed these hateful protests as English protesters fleeing from Asian mobs... which gets them more sympathy and more supporters publicity etc.

If you do protests do it peacefully with proper manners insh'Allah :nervous:

 

[Foxhole]

An Invitation to the English Defence League

As far as the English Defence League is concerned, indeed we are aware of your demonstrations against our aspirations to transform Britain into an Islamic State, and we would like to invite you to a constructive debate to discuss the reality of British law and its suitability to govern the masses.

If anyone says this about the US I will consider it an outright declaration of war, and will treat those who pursue this goal as enemies of the state.

The UK has to disestablish the Anglican Church and write a constitution that stipulates permanent secular governance. Just end the discussion now.

 

[جوري]

^^^ hilarious

what you want to be:

and what you actually are:

cut down on the bean dip tough guy!

 

[Tony]

^^^lol. If there was an olympic trophy for button pushing, no-one would be able to touch you sister lol. (btw, my thread is not passed yet:hiding

 

[GuestFellow]

If anyone says this about the US I will consider it an outright declaration of war, and will treat those who pursue this goal as enemies of the state.

Okay...

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

If anyone says this about the US I will consider it an outright declaration of war, and will treat those who pursue this goal as enemies of the state.

That is totally over the top.

Do you actually think there's a chance of it happening?

The UK has to disestablish the Anglican Church and write a constitution that stipulates permanent secular governance. Just end the discussion now.

True - the sooner religion gets out of politics the better.

Peace

 

[جوري]

^^^lol. If there was an olympic trophy for button pushing, no-one would be able to touch you sister lol. (btw, my thread is not passed yet:hiding

I've low tolerance for drumbeaters.. especially when they are on this forum as guests!

 

[Apathy]

If anyone says this about the US I will consider it an outright declaration of war, and will treat those who pursue this goal as enemies of the state.

The UK has to disestablish the Anglican Church and write a constitution that stipulates permanent secular governance. Just end the discussion now.

Oh wow, declaring war on ideologies i wonder were you get that from ;D.

Though an Islamic American state without interest ruling your society does sound a lot better than what you have :statisfie also may help cut down the murder/drugs/suicides :shade:

 

[GuestFellow]

Oh wow, declaring war on ideologies i wonder were you get that from ;D.

Though an Islamic American state without interest ruling your society does sound a lot better than what you have :statisfie also may help cut down the murder/drugs/suicides :shade:

A lot of people are obsessed over celebrities...as though they worship them.

 

[arturo]

^^^ hilarious

what you want to be:

and what you actually are:

cut down on the bean dip tough guy!

Sorry, I'm not tough at all, I'm 66 and a grandfather to 6 grandchildren, but I stand for what I feel is right and do you realy believe that 7/7 and all that destruction was right. I cannot believe that you, a fellow citizen, believes or wants this. What if there is another such event, maybe even worse. Do you believe that this will make life better for you. I truly, bare you no ill will at all.
arturo.

 

[جوري]

Sorry, I'm not tough at all, I'm 66 and a grandfather to 6 grandchildren, but I stand for what I feel is right and do you realy believe that 7/7 and all that destruction was right. I cannot believe that you, a fellow citizen, believes or wants this. What if there is another such event, maybe even worse. Do you believe that this will make life better for you. I truly, bare you no ill will at all.
arturo.

That post wasn't directed at you, I have actually addressed you in a separate thread, perhaps if you'd actually read it, you'd have learned that I am not a fellow citizen, neither do I subscribe to doctored up conspiracy theories by bush and his poodle blair and cronies ... thus your words (wise as they are) I fear are falling on deaf ears.

all the best

 

[Cabdullahi]

Sorry, I'm not tough at all, I'm 66 and a grandfather to 6 grandchildren, .... Do you believe that this will make life better for you. I truly, bare you no ill will at all.
arturo.

nobody wants that but for the elite to create order they need choas when everything thing is choatic and ''fear'' is the common feeling felt by the masses , ideologies , racial concepts , interests , culture , different countries and different views will be all meshed together a globilization will take place this allows the power to shift to those who control the economy and the government officials are nothing but public counsellors to keep you quiet helping you to feel fear and at the same time promising to actively sort out the threat of terrorism

a government that doesn't even allow an official inquiry to the 7/7 bombings why don't they not tell us what happened if they're truthful to conclude you are more likely to die from an allergic reaction than a terrorist attack and that is the truth

 

[arturo]

well sometimes you might have to conclude (and im starting to believe this) that he works for the government! this guy has said some of the craziest stuff u can hear, including the condoning of murder, and advocating of violence, yet he is still FREE and allowed to do as he pleases, and on top of that many of his close associates are on government pay. either the government is hiring this guy to create social tension and division for their own future purposes, or he is an informant working with them, which allows him to stay such wacky things and remain free.

You and me both prince, you know I live in London,in an inner city part and my road is like the united nations,next door is a hindu family, been to two of their weddings, opposite me is a turkish muslim guy,always ready for a chat and the whole street is like that, on bonfire night they all come round and we let off a few fireworks, we keep an eye out for each others houses, we've had a street party, with all manner of wonderful foods. We borrow tools from each other.My youngest daughter babysits for them. a few times, when I've been locked out after forgetting my key, I can knock on any door and I'm always welcome, the turkish guy with coffee so strong I can't sleep for a week.
This is how it should be in all England and if people make an effort, then that's how it could be.

Communities don't just appear out of thin air, you have to work at it,sometimes hard.

By the same token, if some thing is wrong you have to make a stand,if you don't, wrong wins.
What more can I say, the people who want to fill hearts and minds in our community with the kind of hatred that makes them want to die and take innocent people with them are wrong, kick them out or we get hell on earth.
Kind regards,
arturo.

 

[arturo]

That post wasn't directed at you, I have actually addressed you in a separate thread, perhaps if you'd actually read it, you'd have learned that I am not a fellow citizen, neither do I subscribe to doctored up conspiracy theories by bush and his poodle blair and cronies ... thus your words (wise as they are) I fear are falling on deaf ears.

all the best

I am sorry for that and I apologise.
arturo.

 

[arturo]

nobody wants that but for the elite to create order they need chaos when everything thing is chaotic and ''fear'' is the common feeling felt by the masses , ideologies , racial concepts , interests , culture , different countries and different views will be all meshed together a globalization will take place this allows the power to shift to those who control the economy and the government officials are nothing but public counsellors to keep you quiet helping you to feel fear and at the same time promising to actively sort out the threat of terrorism

a government that doesn't even allow an official inquiry to the 7/7 bombings why don't they not tell us what happened if they're truthful to conclude you are more likely to die from an allergic reaction than a terrorist attack and that is the truth

There is some truth in what you say and I agree that there should be a public inquiry into any disaster, whatever the nature.
I have seen the conspiracy video several times and there are some inconsisties, that worry me.
But I did go to Finsbury park a couple of times when the chap with the one hand and he was encouraging people to do ghastly things and there are a number of these people doing this and for example the bomber Reid and the recent liquid bombers, there are some others too and the perception is of great danger.

Perhaps you right, that there is some sort of government conspirocy, perhaps the preachers of hate are paid to say what they do, but we can still kick them out.

None of this could happen if we all stood together.Drive out the muslim extremist, drive out the nazi BNP, with unity, none could stand in our path.
arturo

 

[kawaiigardiner]

It doesn't help when there are grade A morons like Anjem Choudary open their mouth and there is no protest in opposition to what Anjem Choudary says.

Btw, Islam is blamed when in reality it is nothing less than an attack on non-white people in the UK by those band of right wing thugs. The social problems that exist in the 'Muslim community' in the UK have nothing to do with Islam and everything to do with the underlying culture.

With that being said, it doesn't help when immigrants come to the UK and no matter British they become they're never accepted as equals. I guess the benefit of being in Australia, New Zealand, Canada and the United States - our countries were founded on a melting pot immigration policy.

 

[Cabdullahi]

and dont forget an accomplice of Abu Hamza was an mi5 agent also i feel he was too the stuff he says is so scripted these agents are used to paint a picture of what type of person to fear in our minds , we were being readied for the ultimate thing 'one part of the choas' before 7/7 and 9/11 arnold and steven seagal were fighting islamists on the big screens when there was no imminent threat what so ever from the muslims,
The western world were still fresh off the destruction of communism but islam was in line next and here we are on an islamic forum trying to comfort a concerned pre-conditioned 66 year old , hopefully through dialogue we can denature the pre-set notion set by the media

 

[kawaiigardiner]

and dont forget an accomplice of Abu Hamza was an mi5 agent also i feel he was too the stuff he says is so scripted these agents are used to paint a picture of what type of person to fear in our minds , we were being readied for the ultimate thing 'one part of the choas' before 7/7 and 9/11 arnold and steven seagal were fighting islamists on the big screens when there was no imminent threat what so ever from the muslims,
The western world were still fresh off the destruction of communism but islam was in line next and here we are on an islamic forum trying to comfort a concerned pre-conditioned 66 year old , hopefully through dialogue we can denature the pre-set notion set by the media

I don't believe in conspiracy theories; Abu Hamza and Anjem Choudary are both idiots and if there was no Christianity, no Judaism, no Islam - those two would probably be anarchists, communists, socialists or fascists. They're radical and they push their agendas because they're weak individuals who look at romantically at the past with rose tinted glasses and dream that maybe they can resurrect it in the 21st century. Those two are in the same ball park as Meir Kahane who dreamed he could restore biblical Israel and for it to be ruled by strict Jewish Law.

The world is pluralistic, the state secular and the laws are based on individual rights, private property and other ideas out of the enlightenment. If they, Abu Hamza and Anjem Choudary, wish to live in third world squaller and being ruled by a theocracy stuck in the 7th Century then by all means go and live in Saudi Arabia or some other place.

BTW, notice that those who are most critical of Western values know the least about Western philosophy, the enlightenment, liberal democracy.

 

[جوري]

stuck in the 7th Century then by all means go and live in Saudi Arabia or some other place.

BTW, notice that those who are most critical of Western values know the least about Western philosophy, the enlightenment, liberal democracy.

hmmm.. considering 'Saudi Arabia' is a middle eighteenth century establishments, I reckon you know as much about its history, values, enlightenment etc, as your 'critical of the west' counterparts?

Does accusing others of faults you deem endemic to their regions somehow exempt you from it?

That was rhetorical btw, I am not looking for you to unfold your undoubtedly inscrutable wisdom!

all the best