English schools allowed to ban full-face veils

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Sami Zatari, you realized that when u got the PM :p lolllll
 
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If any arguments begin once again, then i think people will start getting banned since the same rule is broken continuously throughout the thread.


The only reason i'm re-opening it is because it will allow other brothers and sisters who have not shared their view to put their's forward. This isn't a fighting arena.


Thread Re-opened.
 
Meh. There is little point in taking part in this discussion anymore. Anybody who remotely thinks these proposed guidelines hold some water, be careful in saying it otherwise you face being labelled as a 'sell-out'.

What a lovely world we live in. :)
 
Sami Zaatari said:
typo say=see*

anyway if banning the niqab is for security then we should start banning the crosses in every single muslim country, why? well it poses a threat to, if we wanna be desperate like some others are then we can say crosses can be used to stab someone with and can be used as a weapon, hence it should be banned as it can be used as a weapon, fair is fair, security comes first right?
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That's very unrealistic and you know. The threat of terrorism is real that exists today. The chance of a terrorist attack in any place in Britain is much higher than someone stabbing another with their crucifix :rollseyes

Besides in some Islamic countries the bible is banned and if any bible is found it is then burned.

I don't know why anyone's surprised with these measures. You all know how schools feel about the veil in their schools. We've had this discussion before.
 
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What does this proposal have to do with preventing terrorism? It's more to do with communication, identification in general and the health and safety of the wearer.
 
I don't necessarily connect the issue with terrorism, more security and social interaction. If the girls or women involved feel that wearing the veil is too important to take it off during public school time, then they should seriously look at attending an all girl Islamic school.
 
Muezzin said:
What does this proposal have to do with preventing terrorism? It's more to do with communication, identification in general and the health and safety of the wearer.
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It is mostly to do with communication and definately identification. Surely that's good enough reason..
But at the same time it also reduces the risk of a suicide bomber in a niqab or whatever from getting in the middle of the children and blowing them up... These suicide bombers are nutters... not all there...

By the way there are plenty of Islamic schools. I've seen plenty myself.
 
wilberhum said:
There are lots of reasons for the ban other than security.

You can go down to the simplest points.

Who is attending class? Who is taking the test?
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Good points.


Now i think we really do need islamic schools, we cant have our sisters that want to practise their religion properly be held back. SubhanAllah !
 
Just an honest question. Is it a widely held belief that all Muslim women should wear a veil to practice Islam properly?
 
Keltoi said:
Just an honest question. Is it a widely held belief that all Muslim women should wear a veil to practice Islam properly?
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No its not a widely held belief, but depends on what you mean.

However there is vast proof in islam to show that the best women (those during the time of the prophet saws) use to wear the face veil, also there is much proof which i have posted in another thread to show that it was instructed.

However that all depends on the persons view, it seems clear cut commanded to me.


Thats all i have currently.
 
Keltoi said:
Just an honest question. Is it a widely held belief that all Muslim women should wear a veil to practice Islam properly?
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Simple answer is no, it is not a widely held belief since the number of veiled Muslim women is in the vast minority.

Complicated answer is there are different schools of thought, but I'm not really qualified to go into them in much depth. Surely some searching for 'Niqab' in the 'Basics of Islam' section of this site may help in clearing up a few things to start with. :)
 
Muezzin said:
Simple answer is no, it is not a widely held belief since the number of veiled Muslim women is in the vast minority.

Complicated answer is there are different schools of thought, but I'm not really qualified to go into them in much depth. Surely some searching for 'Niqab' in the 'Basics of Islam' section of this site may help in clearing up a few things to start with. :)
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Yeah, I was just being lazy and looking for a simple yes or no answer. I will take a look at more detailed threads for a fuller picture.

Back on topic. On thinking about this further, I think perhaps there might be a remedy to this problem. You know how you go to a club and get a stamp on your hand to prove you paid the cover charge?...just bear with me and pretend you have experienced it. Why not a similar situation with girls and women who wear the veil. Not a stamp, but some sort of ID given to them when they walk through the door which means this is indeed "Jane Doe". It might seem too much with all the negative thoughts about identifying marks given to people. I don't know, just a thought. This was meant primarily for a public school situation.
 
What, a UV stamp thing?

That might actually help to keep intruders in general out of schools.
 
Muezzin said:
What, a UV stamp thing?

That might actually help to keep intruders in general out of schools.
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That is what I was thinking. Give all students some sort of identifying badge, mark, etc. That way everyone knows who is supposed to be there and who isn't. As a side-effect, the girls and women who choose to wear veils can be easily identified by this badge/stamp, and teachers and other students know who they are speaking to.
 
Muezzin said:
What, a UV stamp thing?

That might actually help to keep intruders in general out of schools.
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That would cost money. Banning the niqab and identifying the pupils would be free. Besides it's not just about keeping intruders out. It's about communication.
 
England said:
That would cost money. Banning the niqab and identifying the pupils would be free. Besides it's not just about keeping intruders out. It's about communication.
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How about hiring a veiled teacher who will teach veiled students if they so choose? I don't know, I just like to accomodate religious preferences if at all possible.
 
Keltoi said:
How about hiring a veiled teacher who will teach veiled students if they so choose? I don't know, I just like to accomodate religious preferences if at all possible.
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Veiled teachers has already been discussed. The schools are against veiled teachers for the exact same reason why teachers can ban the students wearing niqabs. They have the option to go to an Islamic school.
 
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This banning of veils does not prevent a muslim women from practicing her religion so it shouldn't be a problem. It's not like they are saying dress like slags since the rest of the dress code is still allowed.

Female muslims are still muslims whether they wear a niqab or not, just as a male muslim is still a muslim whether he has a beard or not.
 

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