Eternal Heaven - Spiritual Form

No No No, I often change my signature to show the beauty of the Qur'an. :rose:

It's nothing personal I assure you at oneness :p

Peace.
 
Pankaja dasa said:
:thankyou: So you don't pray to Mohammed (PBUH). You pray to Allah.

I know in Islam history you used to pray to Phophets to gain favour of God. The point I am making is you pray to Mohammed to gain the favour of God.

I shud go as I donnu seem ble to get muc answer ere.
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Salaam,

And it hought it was over LOLOL

No Muslim do not pray to Prophet Muhammad saw...we pray FOR prophet Muhammad saw

No muslim do to pray to the Kaabah..we pray in the DIRECTION of the Kaabah..

No Muslim do not pray to any man for INTERCESSION..For we know that Allah listen to all of CREATION..

Muslim do not pray to CREATION....we pray to the CREATOR>..

If in your reliogn you need an intermediary,casue you think god is denied to you then that is your religion...
So i hope that is claer,muslim do not need an intermediary...your need one..

Muslim say we directly closer to Allah,,,,you say you are indirectly linked to god..

So we are different....
 
Islamic Kuri said:
No No No, I often change my signature to show the beauty of the Qur'an. :rose:

It's nothing personal I assure you at oneness :p

Peace.
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okay.

Anyway glad you accept God is Personal. Not that difficult was it?

Qu'ran says God will reveal Himself on day of judgement:

Qu'ran, Al Qalam, Surah 68, 42. The Day that the shin shall be laid bare, and they shall be summoned to bow in adoration, but they shall not be able,
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Your scholers (whatever that means) say it means something else. Now who exactly ae these scholers? If you really did believe them then why do you have a forum? I think if there was somebody who actually knew (who had devotion). I can recite Bhagavad-gita like a parrot, chirping. And I know it well. But that doesn't mean I have any devotion for God. If you say reading is devotion I accept. But reading and actually REALIZING what it means is totally different thing. Everybody here is trying to realize! We don't want somebody who hasn't realized (scholers) telling us what we need to do. But like I said before, there are some rare souls who have surrendered unto God. And these people are the real scholers, and they SHOULD be heard.
 
We Messianics Believe That God has a form, One to communicate directly with mankind as He appeared to Father Abraham in the Dessert and even ate with Abraham, We also believe He took A self created human body in order to pay for the sins of the World.
We Believe He will return soon with the same resurrected body and reign on earth for 1000 years, Blessed be The Name Of God YHWV>
 
Alphaseed said:
We Messianics Believe That God has a form, One to communicate directly with mankind as He appeared to Father Abraham in the Dessert and even ate with Abraham, We also believe He took A self created human body in order to pay for the sins of the World.
We Believe He will return soon with the same resurrected body and reign on earth for 1000 years, Blessed be The Name Of God YHWV>
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what is a messianic
 
Alphaseed said:
We Messianics Believe That God has a form, One to communicate directly with mankind as He appeared to Father Abraham in the Dessert and even ate with Abraham, We also believe He took A self created human body in order to pay for the sins of the World.
We Believe He will return soon with the same resurrected body and reign on earth for 1000 years, Blessed be The Name Of God YHWV>
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Yes. How can God come as a human being? It seems impossible for us to understand. And I don't think anybody can except rare souls. In Hindiusim (sorry to use that term, as you can tell I cannot even spell it properly). It is actually called Sanatana-dharma, or eternal religion of the soul. Inside the Bhagavad-gita as it is spoken by Krishna, it says God comes whenever their is a decline in religious principles. Or He sends His messangers. Krishna says the only way to understand God, (meaning Him), is by devotion. (Bhakti).

In this Bhagavad-gita as it is, Arjuna is the disicple of Krishna, and Krishna is acting as a spiritual master. Studying it (I have studied qu'ran). The message is the same. It says in this great book, that God is realized in 3 aspects, impersonal, localized and personal. Step-by-step. Muslims who believe pray to impersonal aspect, and those who see unity in all see God inside everyone. But higher then this (very very very rare persons). Pray to the personal aspect of God. Krishna says that to know the personal aspect of God is very rare. And only great souls know this aspect.

I mean using my commen sence, for me to think a person in human form, can be all-prevading and at the same time have form, and is reciding in a World which is spiritual, for me this is what God is about. All-powerful. I have trouble everyday trying to understand it. But when I think about it enough, then this is descibing GOD. Supremly powerful. So all I am saying is and trying to say here. Is that the personal aspect of God has to be considered Supreme. I don't think Muslims should have any problem to study Gita, since it is describing the personal aspect of God. And those who find it contradictory should not. It's the same as Qu'ran, (holy book).

www.vedabase.net

I had a good time being here actually, I am surprized that people didn't vilify me. And ban me. May God bless you all (and me!!)
 
Pankaja dasa said:
Yes. How can God come as a human being? It seems impossible for us to understand. And I don't think anybody can except rare souls. In Hindiusim (sorry to use that term, as you can tell I cannot even spell it properly). It is actually called Sanatana-dharma, or eternal religion of the soul. Inside the Bhagavad-gita as it is spoken by Krishna, it says God comes whenever their is a decline in religious principles. Or He sends His messangers. Krishna says the only way to understand God, (meaning Him), is by devotion. (Bhakti).

In this Bhagavad-gita as it is, Arjuna is the disicple of Krishna, and Krishna is acting as a spiritual master. Studying it (I have studied qu'ran). The message is the same. It says in this great book, that God is realized in 3 aspects, impersonal, localized and personal. Step-by-step. Muslims who believe pray to impersonal aspect, and those who see unity in all see God inside everyone. But higher then this (very very very rare persons). Pray to the personal aspect of God. Krishna says that to know the personal aspect of God is very rare. And only great souls know this aspect.

I mean using my commen sence, for me to think a person in human form, can be all-prevading and at the same time have form, and is reciding in a World which is spiritual, for me this is what God is about. All-powerful. I have trouble everyday trying to understand it. But when I think about it enough, then this is descibing GOD. Supremly powerful. So all I am saying is and trying to say here. Is that the personal aspect of God has to be considered Supreme. I don't think Muslims should have any problem to study Gita, since it is describing the personal aspect of God. And those who find it contradictory should not. It's the same as Qu'ran, (holy book).

www.vedabase.net

I had a good time being here actually, I am surprized that people didn't vilify me. And ban me. May God bless you all (and me!!)
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So in hinduism Who is God The Creator ?
Don't Hindus worship many Gods ?
 
Alphaseed said:
So in hinduism Who is God The Creator ?
Don't Hindus worship many Gods ?
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Yes, we do. But they are mainly for people who have different desires. Like i.e if you wanted a good wife you would worship Usa (not U.s.a) It's name of demi-god. The reason why this is is because the demi-gods fullfil your desires almost straight away or after a while. Then when they do you become attached to them. It says in Bhagavad-gita as it is, this. If you do this then your results are temporary. So many Hindus worship demi-gods, for all kinds of desires. So the mistake happens that these demi-gods are supreme. I think the same mistake happened in Islam years ago, when idols were worshipped, and many thought the idols (or demi-gods) are the best.

But Hindus are meant to worship God not for material desires (it says this in Bhagavad-gita as it is). It is condemned in the Bhagavad-gita but their is also a concection in that, Krishna says those who are unintelligent worship the demi-gods. Even though this verse is inside the Bhagavad-gita, because we all have desires. Of course we shall worship dem-gods. I used to do this.!

So in answer to your question, there is only one God in Hindusium. One Supreme God. But He has many agents (demi-gods). I hope that answers your question, sorry if I sound preachy. It's 4am!!
 
Why Would God Need Many Agents, Isn't God all powerful, all knowledgeable.

So why Pray to someone to tell god what we need.
This is something that Christians need to examine also, Yeshua(Jesus) Said pray to the father in my name, Not pray to me, or anything you ask in my name shall be granted.

The Bible says for their is only one mediator between God and men ,Jesus the man.
A mediator is like a lawyer, when you have sin is when you need him.

Shalom/salam.
 
Alphaseed said:
Why Would God Need Many Agents, Isn't God all powerful, all knowledgeable.

So why Pray to someone to tell god what we need.
This is something that Christians need to examine also, Yeshua(Jesus) Said pray to the father in my name, Not pray to me, or anything you ask in my name shall be granted.

The Bible says for their is only one mediator between God and men ,Jesus the man.
A mediator is like a lawyer, when you have sin is when you need him.

Shalom/salam.
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Mohammed came to teach about God. Christ, in Hindisum we also have messangers.
 

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