Ethics without God ? - Canada by Adam Deen

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AntiKarateKid said:
Ah I see, so tell me, if having an altruistic tendency is an evolved trait, why should I practice altruism if I don't care about it.

You can't say "oh because it is a part of your human nature", I can deny parts of my human nature easily. Every hear of celibates or gays?

You're argument for the evolutionary nature of ethics will backfire on you. You will never be able to use science to tell me why I should be a good person.
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Sorry but thats where the second part of the picture comes in. The subjectivity of morals come into play. The alltructic tendencies get backed up and confirmed by social norms and pressures. So no backfire so far.
 
ATHEISTofPEACE said:
Sorry but thats where the second part of the picture comes in. The subjectivity of morals come into play. The alltructic tendencies get backed up and confirmed by social norms and pressures. So no backfire so far.
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You are assuming way too much. Social norms and pressure? Last time I checked, by being a Muslim and religious, I'm against the social norms and pressure here in America. People can easily resist social norms just look around you.

You gotta have something better than that.
 
AntiKarateKid said:
You are assuming way too much. Social norms and pressure? Last time I checked, by being a Muslim and religious, I'm against the social norms and pressure here in America. People can easily resist social norms just look around you.

You gotta have something better than that.
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What social norms that would also be an altrustic tendency are you resisting? Also which ones did you gain with Islam? IE Islam will be your social norms....
 
ATHEISTofPEACE said:
What social norms that would also be an altrustic tendency are you resisting? Also which ones did you gain with Islam? IE Islam will be your social norms....
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Or not lol. What about converts to Islam in overwhelmingly athiestic areas such as Czechoslovakia or one of the other eastern euro countries. Oh and I gained modesty. So I don't stare at every scantily clad girl my peers do.

I can resist giving to charity or poor people. I can steal when I think noone is looking etc etc cmon.

You have nothing except hoping society presures you which is a weak argument, really.

Society can pressure you to smoke. Is smoking good for you?
 
AntiKarateKid said:
Or not lol. What about converts to Islam in overwhelmingly athiestic areas such as Czechoslovakia or one of the other eastern euro countries. Oh and I gained modesty. So I don't stare at every scantily clad girl my peers do.

I can resist giving to charity or poor people. I can steal when I think noone is looking etc etc cmon.

You have nothing except hoping society presures you which is a weak argument, really.

Society can pressure you to smoke. Is smoking good for you?
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tendencies..... I send tendencies this meand you are not forced by your genes.
 
Hang on, if we are talking about the evolution of social norms and attitudes, then we are not just talking abut one person resisting certain social pressures - we are talking about whole groups/societies of people changing over the course of generations.

Admittedly Islam has weathered the centuries without changing much, certainly it seems to have gone through less changes than the Christian faith, for example.

Some may say that adapting to new and changing circumstances is a good thing, others would disagree. That depends on your point of view.
 
if a religion didnt have morals then it wouldnt be a religion would it?
pretty simple i guess
 
glo said:
Some may say that adapting to new and changing circumstances is a good thing, others would disagree. That depends on your point of view.
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or that what you began with was not good enough so it changed, no :)?
 
czgibson said:
Greetings,


Untrue.

Atheism is non-belief in the existence of god. That's it.

Peace
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Actually, that's agnosticism. Atheism is the positive belief that God does not exist. It cannot be evidentially justified so is irrational.
 
Greetings,

I'm staggered that VizierX seems to think I've managed to spend nearly four years on this board without ever having discovered the difference between atheism and agnosticism. I don't know whether to be insulted or just amazed.

VizierX said:
Actually, that's agnosticism.
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Agnosticism takes no position on the question of whether god exists, so no, that's not agnosticism.

Atheism is the positive belief that God does not exist.
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Which is equivalent to saying "non-belief in the existence of god". You might recognise those words from earlier.

It cannot be evidentially justified so is irrational.
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Can you provide any evidence for the non-existence of anything?

Peace
 
AoP is correct. though, if muslims started saying they were agnostic muslims (and well they could, iman bil-ghaib), it would surely make many agnostics work about semantics.
 

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