EU: Vote to leave or stay?

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EU Referendum: Vote to leave or stay?


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Naive...

Did "voting" help the most Muslim populated country in FEurope (France) when the French wanted to inpose their hijaab ban?

Did the Million man march stop Blaire from invading Iraq under the pretense of WMD's?

You guys live in a world of fairy tale imaginings - stop living in dream land and start smelling the coffee (muslim discovery btw)

Scimi

EDIT: when push comes to shove - trust me I aint gonna be planting my feet firmly - I'll already be gone,

Ahlan kaafilatee.
 
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To be honest I couldn't expect to read any informed replies in this thread anyway - truth be told, you're all just wishful thinkers who actually trust your government - gah.

I'm too old and wise to know it's not the way of the world. You young ones have much to learn... I'll not share any more gems with you - Instead, i'll let you learn from your own mistakes, If Allah wills that you actually do learn, that is.

Gosh, the youth today :S scary stuff... every generation is worse than the last.

Scimi

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From page one I read some of you are confused about which vote to cast - but "Must vote by the 23rd".... you are actually feeling pressured to vote?

While you remain unaware of the actual dynamics surrounding the reason to vote in the first place?

yet you will vote anyway?

Please, no offence intended, but please do grow some brains.

Scimi
 
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Salaam

'If voting changed anything they'd abolish it' Ken Livingston. Plenty of others in the past have said variants of this quote.

Interesting documentary on the UKs relationship with the EU.

 
I want Britain to leave as it's hypocritical to say 'enough is enough' about immigrants coming in from 3rd world, but then go and let millions of them in from Europe!

Also Eastern European pimps have flooded this country with prostitutes!
 
Salaam

Interesting comment piece on the whole EU debate. Seems the ruling class elites have got more than they bargained for unleashing this referndum.

The British people have risen at last - and we're about to unleash chaos


I think we are about to have the most serious constitutional crisis since the Abdication of King Edward VIII. I suppose we had better try to enjoy it.

If – as I think we will – we vote to leave the EU on June 23, a democratically elected Parliament, which wants to stay, will confront a force as great as itself – a national vote, equally democratic, which wants to quit. Are we about to find out what actually happens when an irresistible force meets an immovable object?

I am genuinely unsure how this will work out. I hope it will only destroy our two dead political parties, stiffened corpses that have long propped each other up with the aid of BBC endorsement and ill-gotten money.

I was wrong to think that the EU referendum would be so hopelessly rigged that the campaign for independence was doomed to lose. I overestimated the Prime Minister – a difficult thing for me to do since my opinion of him was so low. I did not think he could possibly have promised this vote with so little thought, preparation or skill.

I underestimated the BBC, which has, perhaps thanks to years of justified and correct criticism from people such as me, taken its duty of impartiality seriously.

Everything I hear now suggests that the votes for Leave are piling up, while the Remain cause is faltering and floundering. The betrayed supporters of both major parties now feel free to take revenge on their smug and arrogant leaders.

It has been a mystery to me that these voters stayed loyal to organisations that repeatedly spat on them from a great height. Labour doesn’t love the poor. It loves the London elite. The Tories don’t love the country. They love only money. The referendum, in which the parties are split and uncertain, has freed us all from silly tribal loyalties and allowed us to vote instead according to reason. We can all vote against the heedless, arrogant snobs who inflicted mass immigration on the poor (while making sure they lived far from its consequences themselves). And nobody can call us ‘racists’ for doing so. That’s not to say that the voters are ignoring the actual issue of EU membership as a whole. As I have known for decades, this country has gained nothing from belonging to the European Union, and lost a great deal.

If Zambia can be independent, why cannot we? If membership is so good for us, why has it been accompanied by savage industrial and commercial decline? If the Brussels system of sclerotic, centralised bureaucracy is so good, why doesn’t anyone else in the world adopt it?

As for the clueless drivel about independence campaigners being hostile to foreigners or narrow-minded, this is mere ignorant snobbery. I’ll take on any of them in a competition as to who has travelled most widely, in Europe and beyond it. Good heavens, I’ve even read Tolstoy and like listening to Beethoven. And I still want to leave the EU.

Do these people even know what they are saying when they call us ‘Little Englanders’?

England has never been more little than it is now, a subject province of someone else’s empire.

I have to say that this isn’t the way out I would have chosen, and that I hate referendums because I love our ancient Parliament. And, as I loathe anarchy and chaos, I fear the crisis that I think is coming.

I hope we produce people capable of handling it. I wouldn’t have started from here. But despite all this, it is still rather thrilling to see the British people stirring at last after a long, long sleep.

http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/
 
I would vote to stay..

I think the working classes would be hit the hardest by leaving.

One way or another.. that's who would bear the brunt of increased taxation as prices increase.. or as import and export changes.

Ironically.

It's pretty much the only reason..

Not really wanting to be the Mexico of the European union.
 
Sooo disappointed!!! Pound has gone down..Scotland already wants to leave UK! Yep, get ready to pay the price UK!
 
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I am so shocked by the result. I have no idea why but I thought this wasn't going to happen, lol.

Cameron is resigning and the way the sterling went down overnight was jaw-dropping.

They're saying we can only wait and see what the results will be of leaving the EU. I'm wondering if this will have a domino effect on other EU member states? I know in France there has been a movement calling for a referendum.
 
Nearly the whole entire of england voted to leave and only london voted to stay, with Scotland also voting to stay.
If it wasnt bad enough with food prices already high and smaller quantity than ever before (its like everything has shrunk) now theyre going to rise again, i mean this is one example, I just had an email from this shop i recently purchased some hijabs from and they said they was not willing to increase their prices by 10%or15% like other places

Good luck everyone

Im moving to a cave, gonna plug into the mains so i have free running electricity and tap into the water mains, any1 is welcome to join me
*Runs away*

(Who knows what else is going to happen *eeek* )
 
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Well well well.. "Brexit voters think they have made a horrible mistake" so here we go they are already regretting it!
 
I just saw on the news that the government want to "reform" the human rights law/bill and to "tackle immigration"
Why dont they understand that there wouldn't be this much "refugees" & "immigrants" if they would have minded their business and not got involved overseas in such disastrous ways (and america aswell)
Plus a interview with some people who voted to leave, such remarks as
"i voted to stop immigration and stop muslims coming here"
"Stop foreigners coming here, send them home"
"Immigration"
Oh and then trump gets some airtime [emoji58] [emoji58]

Well this looks absolutely brilliant for us, scotland want to leave uk and have another referendum and even northern ireland aswell

Great
 
Those people whose voted leave because of stopping the immigration, might not understand that leaving EU and immigration hasn´t anything to do together. Refugees come, just same if UK is part of EU or not. It also has very little influence for the immigration (other than refugees) itself, the illegal immigration surely increases when legal ways to immigrate will be more difficult to use. Seems they have believed too much the lies of some politicians. Plus leaving from EU certainly doesn´t stop Islam to spread.
 
Hip Hip Hurrah! Takbeer! Onwards and upwards for Great Britain!

Very pleased, celebratory halaal toast anyone?
 
I supported the leave campaign - although my doubts did set in when it was hijacked by racists (I can't stand Farage or Boris Johnson aka mini Trump!).

But honestly, as sister Herb pointed out, these racists and their supporters were misinformed...leaving the EU will have no effect on immigration, because obviously the UK will still trade with it, it would be ridiculous if we didn't, and trading requires certain conditions which will allow the free movement from people between countries. So anyone who voted for the leave thinking it'll stop immigration was seriously wrong.

As for refugees, the EU will just absolve itself of any responsibility of watching over our borders, we're not their responsibility now.

I'm hoping our economy will be more independent and stronger without the EU, I for one wasn't too keen on the TTIP agreement the EU was heading for. But whether we pull out of this successfully really depends on the actions of the government now. But not much will happen any time soon, the UK can take 2 years to withdraw and they need to negotiate all their terms of withdrawal from the EU - at the moment the media is hyping it up a lot.

What will be interesting to see is what effect this will have on other EU members states, maybe a domino effect?

Enough political talk from me now ;) We are in the final 10 days of Ramadan alhamdulillah.
 
Yes, this is mostly the economic matter and I wouldn´t be surprise if UK and EU would create some basic mutual agreements in the near future to secure the economic stability. As UK took part only in some aspects of the Schengen agreement and didn´t start to use the common currency (euro), it´s possible that the ordinary people don´t see much changes at all. Co-operating with political and security levels propably will continue like before. Propably this leaving isn´t as dramatic at all like media claims right now.
 
Salaam

Certain sections of Britain have always had an ambiguous attitude towards Europe, still a surprise. Apprehensive for the future. Hopefully all sides can come to a sensible agreement on how to move forward.

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