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Why do you accept the evil of suicide m***-murder? Why do you want to kill's God's chosen people, that is, the first nation He revealed Himself to through Abraham who begat Isaac who begat Jacob who begat Joseph?

Won't only God's wrath come against you?

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Churchwork said:
Why do you accept the evil of suicide m***-murder? Why do you want to kill's God's chosen people, that is, the first nation He revealed Himself to through Abraham who begat Isaac who begat Jacob who begat Joseph?

Won't only God's wrath come against you?

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I don't go by what the Bible/Torah/Kuran says, but we are ALL God's people, so we shouldn't inflict pain on anyone!
 
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God's wrath is indeed upon us, in that we have forgotten to enjoin the good (i.e. look after widows, orphans and respect all people) and forbid the evil.
But I think the question you should be thinking about is that murder and killing people in any way - is not a good thing. Forget suicide bombs and the like - murder is not only reserved for muslims. America has the highest murder rate in the world - you gotta ask yourself why. Sophisticated US and Israeli bombs and weapons of war that are falling on innocents in Lebanon, Iraq (the death toll for Iraq is I believer about over 1 million) and other places are also murder. Killing is killing - it aint reserved for Muslims.
Which goes to prove - war doesnt make winners of anyone. Everyone loses. One persons blood is not cheaper than anothers.
We must show repsect and tolerance - I'm sure you know what I mean. Jesus (peace be upon him) taught you and us the same thing.
The celebration of the high number of muslim deaths by those who are against muslims is hardly in line with Jesus (peace be upon him)'s message about 'turning the other cheek'.

Peace to you. I do hope you will come with a more open attitude. We are open to dialogue as long as you forgoe your pride for a while and show patience.
 
why are you inviting the muslims to your forumns?:uuh: :omg: :rollseyes
 
Because he just posts something, a tirade of nonsense and abuse and then doesnt have the nerve to come back and reply to any of our comments.
 
Churchwork said:
Why do you accept the evil of suicide m***-murder? Why do you want to kill's God's chosen people, that is, the first nation He revealed Himself to through Abraham who begat Isaac who begat Jacob who begat Joseph?

Won't only God's wrath come against you?

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I really hate questions with statements in them?

i.e. "why do you want to kill God's chosen people" makes the assumption that we want to kill God's chosen people...we don't.

Infact the statement 'God's chosen people' is just age-old bigotry. We're all human, we're all equal. This is a simple teaching of Islam, lets establish that first.

Moving on - do we want to kill them (the Jews)? No, Jews and Muslims have lived together peacefully without problems countless times for centuries throughout history.

If you bother doing your research, you can look into the Israeli/Palestine situation then perhaps... you can realise where your misconceptions arise from.

Until then, theres very little we can do.
 
Churchwork said:
Why do you accept the evil of suicide m***-murder? Why do you want to kill's God's chosen people, that is, the first nation He revealed Himself to through Abraham who begat Isaac who begat Jacob who begat Joseph?

Won't only God's wrath come against you?

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Muslims r suicide murders..terrorists....extremists...bla bla bla...is gettin old n boring. Am really gettin tired of people(non-muslims) bringin that up all the time:raging: :raging:
 
Perhaps he does not realise that many of us American Muslims were like him, until we saw the truth.
 
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Muslims r suicide murders..terrorists....extremists...bla bla bla...is gettin old n boring. Am really gettin tired of people(non-muslims) bringin that up all the time:raging: :raging:
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frankly, i don't know why this guy hasn't been banned. he is only here to promote his religion and give his website.
 
Churchwork said:
Why do you accept the evil of suicide m***-murder? Why do you want to kill's God's chosen people, that is, the first nation He revealed Himself to through Abraham who begat Isaac who begat Jacob who begat Joseph?

Won't only God's wrath come against you?

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Hello

Killing innocents is Haraam

Haraam=Prohibited

We don't believe God chooses us based on our ancestry or race..He chooses us based on our piety and good deeds.

if we support injustice and murder of innocents Yes God's wrth would be upon us

If we believe that God loves a particular people because they happen to be Jews then God's wrath would be upon us because that would be spreading lies about God.

Hope that helps.
 
Churchwork said:
Why do you accept the evil of suicide m***-murder? Why do you want to kill's God's chosen people, that is, the first nation He revealed Himself to through Abraham who begat Isaac who begat Jacob who begat Joseph?

Won't only God's wrath come against you?

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This coming from a christian?

LOL.

Let's see, throughout history, which group that has actively persecuted the jews, the so called God's chosen people?

That's your homework, go back and educate yourself and start reading some history books, and if you are more enlightened, come back here with a correct answer.

To make it easy for you, I'll give you some hints:
The name of the group that has persecuted and killed millions and millions of jews starts with the letter "C"
 
Salam aleacom

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Unfortunately, “Many aspects of Islam are misunderstood by non-Muslims; due to ignorance, misinformation, and incorrect assumptions.” Today, Islam is surrounded by many misconceptions, and unfortunately associated with terrorism. “Politics, deliberate distortion and exaggerations ie. by the media, play a role in its negative portrayal and representation.” "The conclusion that the media draw is that their religion teaches them to hate and kill people (1).” “Anti-Islamic/offensive productions are created that inevitably intend to “incite and provoke unrest and intolerance among people of different religious beliefs, and to jeopardize world peace and stability.” "Hidden under the cover of freedom of expression.”

“It is unmerited to Judge Muslims and Islam based on the actions of those who commit terrible crimes against Innocent people "as proof of the violent nature of Islam and Muslims.” Without having a proper knowledge and understanding. Ie. Islam, The Holy Quran and its Arabic language, Prophet Muhammad’s traditions (peace be upon him) or the Islamic Law" (This is a problem not always acknowledged by Western critics) (1).

God says in the Holy Quran: “Surely Allah enjoins the doing of justice and the doing of good (to others) and the giving to the kindred, and He forbids indecency and evil and rebellion; He admonishes you that you may be mindful". (The Holy Quran, An-Nahl 16:90).

Murdering Innocents = Murdering Humanity

“The Islamic teaching emphasises that murdering an innocent human is like murdering the whole of humanity". God says in the Quran the following:

“...If anyone slays a human being — unless it be [in punishment] for murder or for spreading corruption on earth —, it shall be as though he had slain all humankind; whereas, if anyone saves a life, it shall be as though he had saved the lives of all humankind” (The Holy Quran, Al-Ma'idah 5:32).

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Some of the words of the Prophet (Peace be upon him):

What actions are most excellent? "To gladden the heart of a human being. To feed the hungry. To help the afflicted. To lighten the sorrow of the sorrowful. To remove the wrongs of the injured. That person is the most beloved of God who does most good to God’s creatures."
—Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him).

During his final sermon, the Prophet (Peace be upon him) called on Muslims in these terms:"There is no superiority for an Arab over a non-Arab and for a non-Arab over an Arab; nor for white over the black nor for the black over the white except in piety. Verily the noblest among you is he who is the most pious."

"The Prophet (PBUH) justice brought about understanding between people of different races. In many of his addresses, even in his final sermon, the Prophet (PBUH) stated that superiority lay not in race but in godliness as Allah states in the verse:" (2)

"Mankind! We created you from a male and female, and made you into peoples and tribes so that you might come to know each other. The noblest among you in Allah's sight is that one of you who best performs his duty. Allah is All-Knowing, All-Aware." (The holy Quran, Surat al-Hujurat: 13).

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The following are some of the words of noted non-muslims who studied the life of Prophet Mohammed.

"It is impossible for anyone who studies the life and character of the great Prophet of Arabia, who knows how he taught and how he lived, to feel anything but reverence for that mighty Prophet, one of the great messengers of the Supreme. And although in what I put to you I shall say many things which may be familiar to many, yet I myself feel whenever I re-read them, a new way of admiration, a new sense of reverence for that mighty Arabian teacher." Annie Besant, THE LIFE AND TEACHINGS OF MUHAMMAD, Madras,1932, p.

"Muhammad was the soul of kindness, and his influence was felt and never forgotten by those around him." D.C. Sharma, The Prophets of The East, Calcutta, 1935, pp. 12

....”he was always particularly solicitous of the poor and needy, the widow and the orphan, the slave and the downtrodden....” James A. Michener

"The greatest success of Mohammed's life was effected by sheer moral force without the stroke of a sword." Edward Gibbon. History of the Saracen Empire, London, 1870.

"The picture of the Muslim soldier advancing with a sword in one hand and the Quran in the other quite false." A S Tritton. Islam, London, 1951-page 21.

"History makes it clear however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims, sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians have ever repeated." De Lacy O'Leary. Islam at Crossroads, London. 1923-page 8.

Speaking on the character of Muhammad (pbuh), Mahatma Gandhi says in (Young India),"I wanted to know the best of one who holds today's undisputed sway over the hearts of millions of mankind....I became more than convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the Prophet, the scrupulous regard for his pledges, his intense devotion to this friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and in his own mission. These and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every obstacle. When I closed the 2nd volume (of the Prophet's biography), I was sorry there was not more for me to read of the great life."

....”none of the great figures of history is so poorly appreciated in the West as Muhammad." W. Montgomery Watt, MOHAMMAD AT MECCA, Oxford, 1953, p. 52.


The following are some of the words of non-muslims whom later converted into Islam (3).

"Islam appears to me like a perfect work of architecture. All its parts are harmoniously conceived to complement and support each other. Nothing is superfluous and nothing lacking, with the result of an absolute balance and solid composure." Leopold Weiss (Mohammed Asad).

"The sword of Islam is not the sword of steel. I know this by experience, because the sword of Islam struck deep into my own heart. It didn't bring death, but it brought a new life; it brought an awareness and it brought an awakening as to who am I and what am I and for what am I here?" Ahmad Holt.

"It will be wrong to judge Islam in the light of the behavior of some bad Muslims who are always shown on the media. It is like judging a car as a bad one if the driver of the car is drunk.” Cat Stevens (Yousuf Islam)

"The authority of Islamic morals and laws proceeds from Almighty God. Pleasure and happiness in Islam are but the natural by products of emotional satisfaction in one's duties conscientiously performed for the pleasure of God to achieve salvation. In Islam duties are always stressed above rights. Only in Islam was my quest for absolute values satisfied. Only in Islam did I at last find all that was true, good, beautiful and which gives meaning and directions to human life and death." Ms. Margaret Marcus (Maryam Jamilah)

"I have had nice moments in my life. But the feeling I had while standing on Mount ‘Arafaat on the day of 'Hajj' (pilgrimage), was the most unique. I felt exalted by the indescribable spiritual atmosphere there, as over a million and a half pilgrims invoked God to forgive them of their sins and bestow on them His choicest blessings. It was an exhilarating experience to see people belonging to different colors, races and nationalities, kings, heads of states and ordinary men from very poor countries all clad in two simple white sheets praying to God without any sense of either pride or inferiority. It was a practical manifestation of the concept of equality in Islam." Cassius Clay (Mohamed Ali Clay).

References:
(1) Source: Islamic online
(2) Source: Rasoulallah
(3) Source: Islam web


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Wasalam aleacom
 
John said, "That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life [Jesus]; That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship [is] with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. If we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us" (1 John 1.1,3,7-8,10).
 
another troll missionary? why am i not surprised? i bet you're from Florida too
 
Do you know who was the Author of the Books of John or when they were written?
 
Since the OP has been banned, there is no point in replying.

Woodrow said:
Do you know who was the Author of the Books of John or when they were written?
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Authors aren't mentioned for any of the Gospels. The early Church Fathers provide us with this information. Traditionally, the Church has always accepted St. John the Apostle as the author.

According tot he Vatican II document: DEI VERBUM (DOGMATIC CONSTITUTION ON DIVINE REVELATION)

The Church has always and everywhere held and continues to hold that the four Gospels are of apostolic origin. For what the Apostles preached in fulfillment of the commission of Christ, afterwards they themselves and apostolic men, under the inspiration of the divine Spirit, handed on to us in writing: the foundation of faith, namely, the fourfold Gospel, according to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.(1)
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The Catholic Church (and I believe also the Orthodox church) accept this faithfully because we believe that Christ said, "And I say to you: That you are Peter (Peter means rock); and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever you shall loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.
 

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