Evolution - Creationism

rebelishaulman said:
I'm sorry but that is ridiculous. The Torah clearly states "6 days". I am not sure what the Quran teaches if the Torah is right on creation or not. But saying that 6 days does not mean 6 days is really odd, and many apologists will say this.
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Hi,

I just wanted to clarify that the word used in the Quran to refer to the heavens and the earth being created in 6 'days', the word used doesn't mean only days, it can also mean something like 'long time periods'.

The word has both meanings, and could mean either one, hence why Muslims do not necessarily have to believe that the universe and earth was created in six 24 hour days.
 
Islam says nothing against evolution except for two things:

1. Humans did not evolve, they were created directly as humans.
2. If evolution did occur, it wasn't an 'accident', it was planned by God.

Having studied a little but of evolution at uni... I must say it is really interesting, and I don't see why it couldn't be a possibility for how bacteria, fungi, plants and animals (excluding humans) were created.

In other words- Muslims can not use Islam to disprove evolution of anything other than humans!
 
Malaikah said:
1. Humans did not evolve, they were created directly as humans.

In other words- Muslims can not use Islam to disprove evolution of anything other than humans!
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What does the Q'uran say about evolution? If you could give me the verse numbers, I'd be really greatful. =D

And why can't Islam be used to disproved the evolution of everything else? I have a guess at what you're going to say, though...>.<
 
And why can't Islam be used to disproved the evolution of everything else? I have a guess at what you're going to say, though...>.<
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The Qur'an does not specifically tell us how the animals were created. there is nothing in the Qur'an that could be seen as a refutation for the evolution of animals.
 
^Exactly. We only know how humans were created, and nothing at all about how animals and plants were created.
 
Does the Quran specifically state that humans were created as they now exist? Or just that they were created in the image of God or something like that? Could they have evolved since creation?
 
Pygoscelis said:
Does the Quran specifically state that humans were created as they now exist? Or just that they were created in the image of God or something like that? Could they have evolved since creation?
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hello & peace

I believe that Adam was created as we look now.

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[FONT=Helvetica, Arial]Hadith - related by Muslim, Abu Dawud, an-Nasa'i, and at-Tirmidhi who calls it sahih (authentic).[/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica, Arial]Abu Hurairah reports that the Messenger of Allah (P.B.U.H.) said: [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial]"The best day on which the sun rises is Friday. [On Friday] Adam was created and on that day he entered paradise and on that day he was expelled from paradise. And the Hour will come to pass on Friday."[/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial]The Holy Qur'an Al-A'raf 7:189[/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica, Arial]It is He Who has created you from a single person (Adam), and (then) He has created from him his wife [Hawwa (Eve)], in order that he might enjoy the pleasure of living with her. ...[/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial]The Holy Qur'an Al-'Imran 3:59[/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica, Arial] Verily, the likeness of 'Iesa (Jesus) before Allâh is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: "Be!" - and he was.[/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial]Hadith - Abu Dawood. Imam Ahmad has narrated from Abu Musa that the Prophet [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial] (P.B.U.H.) [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial]said:[/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica, Arial]"Allah has created Adam from a handful (soil) which He had gathered from all over the earth. That is how the children of Adam came according to the (colour and nature of the) earth. There are white among them, as well as red and black, and cross colours. There are those among them who are of bad nature and good nature, soft as well as harsh and in between".[/FONT]
Sheikh Al-Albani (rahimahullah) declares the hadeeth authentic in Saheeh Al-Jaami' As-Sagheer wa-Ziyadatuhu (No. 1759) as well as in Silsalatul-Ahaadeeth-as-Saheehah (No. 1630).​

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Here is an excerpt from the story of creation of Man from The Qura'an:


2.28. How can you disbelieve In Allâh? Seeing that you were dead and He gave you life. Then He will give you death, Then again will bring you to life (on the Day of Resurrection) and then unto Him You will return.
2.29. He it is who created for you all that is on earth. Then He Istawâ (rose over) towards the heaven and made them seven heavens and He is the All-Knower of everything.
2.30. And (remember) when Your Lord said to the angels: "Verily, I am going to place (mankind) generations after generations on earth." they said: "Will you place therein those who will make mischief therein and shed blood, - while we glorify you with praises and thanks (Exalted be you above All that they associate with you as partners) and sanctify you." He (Allâh) said: "I know that which you do not know."
2.31. And He taught Adam All the names (of everything), Then He showed them to the angels and said, "Tell Me the names of these if you are truthful."
2.32. They (angels) said: "Glory be to you, we have no knowledge except what You have taught us. Verily, it is you, the All-Knower, the All-Wise."
2.33. He said: "O Adam! Inform them of their names," and when He had informed them of their names, He said: "Did I not tell you that I know the unseen in the heavens and the earth, and I know what you reveal and what you have been concealing?"
2.34. And (remember) when we said to the angels: "Prostrate yourselves before Adam.” And they prostrated except Satan, He refused and was proud and was one of the disbelievers (disobedient to Allâh).
2.35. And we said: "O Adam! Dwell You and Your wife In the Paradise and eat both of You freely with pleasure and delight of things therein as wherever You will, but come not near This tree or You both will be of the Zâlimûn (wrong-doers)."
2.36. Then the Shaitân (Satan) made them slip therefrom (the Paradise/Eden/Janah), and got them out from that In which they were. We said: "Get You down, all, with enmity between yourselves. On earth will be your dwelling-place and your means of livelihood - for a time."
2.37. Then Adam received from his Lord Words. And his Lord pardoned Him (accepted his repentance). Verily, He is the one who forgives (accepts repentance), the Most Merciful.

Ma'asalaama
 
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Where in that quote does it give you the indication that Adam looked like we do today?
 
Pygoscelis said:
Does the Quran specifically state that humans were created as they now exist? Or just that they were created in the image of God or something like that? Could they have evolved since creation?
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Adam was a lot taller than modern humans. That is all I know.
 
Malaikah said:
Adam was a lot taller than modern humans. That is all I know.
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yeah, exactly ! Also, I know that people of those times used to have long life spans, they used to live for about thousand years, unlike today, where the average life span is about 60-70 years.

Allah knows best.
 
Siraaj said:
yeah, exactly ! Also, I know that people of those times used to have long life spans, they used to live for about thousand years, unlike today, where the average life span is about 60-70 years.

Allah knows best.
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Do you have any hadeeth to back that up? Seems rather odd
 
Woodrow said:
I see 3 problems.

1. Nobody has the ability to replicate creationism.

2. Nobody can replicate evolution

3. Until one of us can replicate our belief we will never be able to convince the other how our belief can work.
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True. Both are based on faith. In my opinion the possibilty and probabilty of creationism by far outweighs, to the extent to which it becomes a certainty, the probability of the evolution theory. One only needs to look at the world and its events rationally. I also feel sorry for those who follow the evolution theory for they will never find answers to many questions.

I think if Allah(SWT) wanted or needed (Astaghfirullah) us to worship him then he would have "be" and it will be as he wishes. But he wants us to worship him of his own free will so the signs and messages are designed in such a way as to avoid forcing all of humanity to worship Allah(SWT) due to its unavoidable facts that only become apparent to those truely seeking guidance... If that makes sense :rolleyes:
 
I think if Allah(SWT) wanted or needed (Astaghfirullah) us to worship him then he would have "be" and it will be as he wishes. But he wants us to worship him of his own free will so the signs and messages are designed in such a way as to avoid forcing all of humanity to worship Allah(SWT) due to its unavoidable facts that only become apparent to those truely seeking guidance... If that makes sense
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Of course that makes sense. The difficult part is that for us no proof is necessary. We know because we believe and the believing has given us the faith to trust and that trust is all we need to know. A person can not understand how that can be knowledge unless they do believe.
 
steve said:
Do you have any hadeeth to back that up? Seems rather odd
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hey steve, its true ! yeah, i will find a source for that as soon as possible insha'Allah.
did you know steve, that the Prophet Adam, Nuh, Musa, Ibrahim and many other prophets of Allah lived for more than hundreds of years.....

Allah knows best.
 
Woodrow said:
Of course that makes sense. The difficult part is that for us no proof is necessary. We know because we believe and the believing has given us the faith to trust and that trust is all we need to know. A person can not understand how that can be knowledge unless they do believe.
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And we know because of the scientific facts that are presented in the Quran and the stories which have 100 percent accuracy to todays Established Science work.
 
WnbSlveOfAllah said:
True. Both are based on faith. In my opinion the possibilty and probabilty of creationism by far outweighs, to the extent to which it becomes a certainty, the probability of the evolution theory. One only needs to look at the world and its events rationally.
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I agree 100% with everything there with the one exception of exchanging the positions of 'evolution' and 'creationism'. I am simply not aware of anything other than faith (in something or other) that rationally supports creationism at all. In my opinion (and like faith - or not - that's all it can be, as you say) creationism is a myth designed to account for what was, when that myth was created, something totally inexplicable. Possibly not much, but things have moved on, and we are now making those first, difficult, steps along the road to real understanding. The quicker we can shed the excess intellectual luggage, the faster we will go. And, yes, I am quite concious that some would say exactly the same about my own spiritual beliefs!
 
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It's so sad to see adults behaving like children. You want to live forever in paradise, so you "believe" whatever those who promise it to you tell you -- just like little children who "believe" in Santa Claus and therefore do whatever their mothers tell them.

And thus the clerics of the word keep repeating their silly, prehistoric "science" called creationism (as well as their equally silly ideas about gods and souls and eternal life in paradise) -- "like parrots on a dead branch of knowledge, endlessly repeating the same old lines" -- because the clerics consider it to be far easier to recite what they've memorized than actually go out and work for a living, e.g., doing science.

In contrast to the claim made by Woodrow, the Latin word for 'knowledge' is science, and to gain knowledge about the world there's no known alternative other than to apply the scientific method, which as Feynman said, is simply a way to try to make sure you're not fooling yourself: 1) Analyze all relevant and reliable data (e.g., about gods or souls or eternal life or paradise); if no data are available, then move on to some idea for which data are available. 2) Formulate a hypothesis that succinctly summarizes the data, that's consistent with well-tested scientific principles, and that provides testable predictions; if the hypothesis doesn't provide testable predictions (e.g., about life after death), then trash the hypothesis (because it's meaningless). 3) Test the predictions of the hypothesis by performing new experiments, analyze the new data, and continue, without end. In short: guess, test, and reassess.

The theory of evolution is an example of such a hypothesis that continues to survive the rigors of the scientific method. Creationism is a useless, untestable idea (concocted by the Ancient Sumerians and Egyptians) that belongs in the trash can of human speculations -- "useless", that is, except for clerics, who use it to con people out of their money.

People (such as Woodrow) who buy into the clerics' ideas that "belief" and "faith" are ways to knowledge about the world, rather than the scientific method, are prefect "marks" for the clerics' con games. But, that the clerics have duped you is primarily your own fault. As all con artists know, there's no way to cheat someone who's honest, i.e., someone who doesn't want more than he or she has earned. And if you think that you "deserve" eternal life in paradise simply because you do what the clerics tell you, then I've got some great ocean-front property in Arizona that I'd be willing to sell you, even for just half the money that you're now using to keep your clerics fat and happy.
 

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