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Existance of God

An atheist Professor of philosophy speaks to his class on the problem science has with God, The Almighty.
He asks one of his new students to stand and.....
Professor: So you believe in God?
Student: Absolutely, sir.
Professor: Is God good?
Student: Sure.
Professor: Is God all-powerful?
Student: Yes.
Professor: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to God to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But God didn't. How is this God good then? Hmm?
Student: (Student is silent.)
Professor: You can't answer, can you? Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?
Student: Yes.
Professor: Is Satan good?
Student: No.
Professor: Where does Satan come from?
Student: From...God...
Professor: That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?
Student: Yes.
Professor: Evil is everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything. Correct?
Student: Yes.
Professor: So who created evil?
Student: (Student does not answer.)
Professor: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don't they?
Student: Yes, sir.
Professor: So, who created them?
Student: (Student has no answer.)
Professor: Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son...Have you ever seen God?
Student: No, sir.
Professor: Tell us if you have ever heard your God?
Student: No , sir.
Professor: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelt your God? Have you ever had any sensory perception of God for that matter?
Student: No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.
Professor: Yet you still believe in Him?
Student: Yes.
Professor: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?
Student: Nothing. I only have my faith.
Professor: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has.



Student: Professor, is there such a thing as heat?
Professor: Yes.
Student: And is there such a thing as cold?
Professor: Yes.
Student: No sir. There isn't.
(The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of events.)
Student: Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don't have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.
(There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre.)
Student: What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?
Professor: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness?
Student: You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light....But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?
Professor: So what is the point you are making, young man?
Student: Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.

Professor: Flawed? Can you explain how?
Student: Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure.
Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?
Professor: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.
Student: Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?
Professor: (The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument is going.)
Student: Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavour, are you not teaching your opinion, sir?
Are you not a scientist but a preacher?
Professor: (The class is in uproar.)
Student: Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor's brain?
Professor: (The class breaks out into laughter.)>
Student: Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's brain, felt it, touched or smelt it?.....No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?
Professor: (The room is silent. The Professor stares at the student, his face unfathomable.)
Professor: I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son.
Student: That is it sir.. The link between man & God is FAITH. That is all that keeps things moving & alive.
NB: I believe you have enjoyed the conversation...and if so...you'll probably want your friends/colleagues to enjoy the same...won't you?...forward them to increase their knowledge...:D
 
Hey, I am no genius, but I think that I understand some things pretty well.

When a thread is run by beleaguering two year olds, the best thing to do, is let them have their fit without dignifying them or even investing in a reply akhi!

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I like the descriptive notes (chuckles) as if it was an actual scenario.
Or maybe Trax is thinking of turning it into a play.

If you're insistent on taking everything on faith, then no one viewpoint is more valid than another, all are equally unfounded.
 
i have bred snakes and still keep them.
some boas and pythons have vestigal limbs. i've seen them with my own eyes.
for those not fortunate enough to have a handy dandy python or boa to look at, here is a pic:


That snake looks like it got teeth from its tail! Nice pic though never noticed that on my snake!
 
I think the concepts of evolution and the belief in Allah are not mutually exclusive ideas, as has been stated several times. To accept Allah or some higher power is to acknowledge the fact that there are somethings in the universe that we just don't understand. Anyone who has seen a snowflake, a sunrise, the milky way on a clear night, a butterflies' wing, or the seemingly random patterns on a leaf should know that nature is beautiful and full of wonder, and that beauty has not always been the same over the millennia. Wouldn't everyone just be happier if they could consider the use of science as a way to explore the world we have been given, rather then turning it into a crusade to throw religion in the dirt?
 
Those who don't understand exactly what evolution is or have never taken a course on it are definitely missing out. Darwin was an incredible person to have found this out and his idea was definitely one of the most brilliant ideas of science.
 
I love how people just come in to drop a couple of pearls long after the ho-hum of the town criers and the janitors have cleared the refuse from the ceremonial procession.. I just need to micturate here in show and substantiation of primitve culture sort of a deal..
Hilarious!
 
I don't think that a belief in Allah and evolution are mutually exclusive either. Evolution is a natural process of the universe. The fact that evolution happens doesn't mean that creation doesn't also happen.
 
I think the concepts of evolution and the belief in Allah are not mutually exclusive ideas, as has been stated several times. To accept Allah or some higher power is to acknowledge the fact that there are somethings in the universe that we just don't understand. Anyone who has seen a snowflake, a sunrise, the milky way on a clear night, a butterflies' wing, or the seemingly random patterns on a leaf should know that nature is beautiful and full of wonder, and that beauty has not always been the same over the millennia. Wouldn't everyone just be happier if they could consider the use of science as a way to explore the world we have been given, rather then turning it into a crusade to throw religion in the dirt?

Subhan Allah!!! Well said! :thumbs_up

Wish there were more sensible people like you in this world.
 
Great scholars of Islam have written about evolution way before Darwin, so I don't understand why muslims should have problem with theory of evolution now. There is a bias both ways: for and against theory of evolution.
(1) Evolution doesn't mean that process is not created by God. Actually, one of the Allah's name is evolver.
(2) It doesn't mean creation doesn't happen. If you are just going by the evidence then evidence points to both.
 
Wouldn't everyone just be happier if they could consider the use of science as a way to explore the world we have been given, rather then turning it into a crusade to throw religion in the dirt?
That is the way it is suppose to be, but I don't think some atheist would be happier with that. There are very few greatest scientists in history that were atheists. Most of the greatest scientists in history are theists. In last two centuries, many atheists went into science, I suppose for European experience with science vs religion and they found something to support their worldview with theory of evolution. And I suppose they also found the argument that scientific method is the best way to believe in something, although it is neither practical or useful in all important human situations.

Muslim scholars pioneered the scientific method, and they understood its limitations.
 
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But that just shows you don't know what evolution is if you seriously think it's an accident. Evolution is nothing magical. I doubt it even contradicts the Quran. It does contradict the Christians who are Young Earth creationists :).If there was a god, I'd expect it to create life through natural processes and evolution would be it.
 
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I don't see evolution going against the Quran.

Allah/God has created an ever changing and ever expanding universe. He created living things with the ability to adapt to their surroundings.

Another one of the million miracles of Allah/God.

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If you are referring to us evolving from Monkeys...

There is a "missing link" between us and the monkeys.

We have found millions of fossils of Pre-historic Dinosaurs but we have found no evidence of this so called "missing link" which is a more recent era.

Humans seem to have appeared on Earth a bit suddenly...
 
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But that just shows you don't know what evolution is if you seriously think it's an accident. Evolution is nothing magical. I doubt it even contradicts the Quran. It does contradict the Christians who are Young Earth creationists :).If there was a god, I'd expect it to create life through natural processes and evolution would be it.

Really?!

Ok.....Then please describe how do you know the Theory of Evolution!
Explain it......then we can talk about the next step.

Peace.
 
i've taken anthropology courses and evolution courses and evolution basically just means the change in the gene frequency in a population over time, can happen by mutations or adaptation to the environment...basically survival of the fittest is natural selection, which eventually leads to evolution of one species to another...

i think both creation and evolution exist, and that Allah controls both.... however, because humans are so much more different intellectually then any other animal ever to have existed, i dont think humans share a common monkey ancestor with bonobos or the chimps... i.e. we dint use to be monkeys millions of yrs ago... Certainly, animals/plants have evolved over time, but did we really all start from a microorganism, a single cell 3 billions yrs ago?? i think not, and i think we will never know the whole truth either, just because we were never meant to know wut life really is...ask a random person on a street on wut they think life is and you'll get some confused answers...

anyhooo... science proves evolution exists but doesnt prove creation doesnt...
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http://www.harunyahya.com/books/darwinism/atlas_creation/atlas_creation_02.php

Above is the link for the download of Atlas of Creation.
It's a massive illustrated book on creationist "debunking" of Evolution.

It might be full of inaccuracies, such as snakes being called eels and pictures of fishing hook-flys passed off as real creatures and the whole basis of some creatures not evolving is actually part of evolution, but it does have some exceptionally nice pictures.
 
My English translation of the Quran has passages that seem to prove evolution, it could just be a mistranslations but in my scientific opinion(best class in school) it seems to be a close comparison.

18:38 "'Have you no faith in Him who created you from dust, from a little germ, and fashioned you into a man?'"

Most Evolutionists figure people came from single cell organisms(germs)

24:45 "God created every beast from water. Some creep upon their bellies, others walk on two legs, and others yet on four."

Now according to Darwin's theory of evolution, life started in water.

My friend and I talked about why would God put something like that in the Quran, so I broke it down into questions in which she could only answer yes.

God is all seeing and all knowing, and knows the future? So He then would know that evolution would surpass creationism in common belief? So than He must've foreseen that unbelievers would use evolution to disprove God? So than God know all that, it would only make sense he would put facts about evolution in the Quran because it would only prove that the Quran is true to the disbelievers! It was something along those lines.
 
18:38 "'Have you no faith in Him who created you from dust, from a little germ, and fashioned you into a man?'"

Liking your style there brother :)

Although isn't that 40:67 rather than 18:38?

Yusuf Ali Translation: 40:67:
It is He Who has created you from dust, then from a sperm-drop, then from a leech-like clot; then does He get you out (into the light) as a child: then lets you (grow and) reach your age of full strength; then lets you become old― though of you there are some who die before;― and lets you reach a Term appointed: in order that ye may learn wisdom.
 
Liking your style there brother :)

Although isn't that 40:67 rather than 18:38?
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No brother, the verse I am referring to is a parable about two men conversing, and one says that quote to the other asking him how he could not believe.
 
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