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Hey,
you are explaining what I said in your own words and taking the credit for it? "Evolution is not supposed to explain the origin of Universe or origin of elements." That is exactly what I said. Its an infinite chain of "theories."

"You are asking Questions to yourself, and concluding that because we don't have answers to those questions to this date, then that means Allah is the only explanation. Don't you see the fallacy in your argument ?
It possible that universe originated from undiscovered physical process."

Even if we had answers, I'd say God did it. It seems unlikely that you will have answers to these. In 5 billion years, the Sun is going to engulf the Earth. Way before 5 billion years come to passing, the Sun's luminosity will increase, oceans will boil away and you or your descendants will be melting away into the deepest cores of Earth. Alas, you will never find answers that you so desperately beseech. So far, interstellar or intergalactic travel seems nigh impossible so that dont assume that you or your descendants will inhabit other planets.

Look at what we've achieved in half a million years, and we've already managed to leave our planet. 5 billion years is too long to think about (if we haven't been wiped out by then).
 
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Look at what we've achieved in half a million years, and we've already managed to leave our planet. 5 billion years is too long to think about (if we haven't been wiped out by then).

5 billions is the upper limit.

I agree. We have achieved a lot. But what we have achieved dims in comparison to what we have to achieve. Traveling in a shuttle at 30,000 km/h is a remarkable feat but not an impossible one. While, traveling at 3 x 10 ^ 8 m/s for 4 years to reach the closest star is indeed impossible as of now. And probably will be. We use rocket propulsion for space travel. With rocket propulsion, it is NIGH impossible to reach those speeds and to maintain travel at those speeds for 4 years to reach the closest star. Then dont forget about the return.

Having optimistic estimates by thinking that destruction is 5 billion years away is indeed joyful, but dont ignore the snowball earth, cyclical ice ages of earth and other processes which occur at very small time scales (last ice age was 10000 years ago) which will destroy our technology and if some of us survive, we will have to start from the scratch.

According to conservative estimates, next influenza pandemic alone will wipe away 350-400 million people. Thinking about where we will be in next 100 years, let alone 5 billion years, borders fantasy, with no offense.
 
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5 billions is the upper limit.

I agree. We have achieved a lot. But what we have achieved dims in comparison to what we have to achieve. Traveling in a shuttle at 30,000 km/h is a remarkable feat but not an impossible one. While, traveling at 3 x 10 ^ 8 m/s for 4 years to reach the closest star is indeed impossible as of now. And probably will be. We use rocket propulsion for space travel. With rocket propulsion, it is NIGH impossible to reach those speeds and to maintain travel at those speeds for 4 years to reach the closest star. Then dont forget about the return.

Yes, its nigh on impossible now, but we're not looking at now.

Having optimistic estimates by thinking that destruction is 5 billion years away is indeed joyful, but dont ignore the snowball earth, cyclical ice ages of earth and other processes which occur at very small time scales (last ice age was 10000 years ago) which will destroy our technology and if some of us survive, we will have to start from the scratch.

I did state "if we haven't been wiped out by then" in my original post.

According to conservative estimates, next influenza pandemic alone will wipe away 350-400 million people. Thinking about where we will be in next 100 years, let alone 5 billion years, borders fantasy, with no offense.


We know what we have already achieved, and we know that we are advancing. Therefore saying we will be able to leave our planet to go to another within 5 billion years hardly takes a huge leap of faith.
 
Yes, its nigh on impossible now, but we're not looking at now.



I did state "if we haven't been wiped out by then" in my original post.




We know what we have already achieved, and we know that we are advancing. Therefore saying we will be able to leave our planet to go to another within 5 billion years hardly takes a huge leap of faith.

First assumption, if we survive 5 billion years, which is highly unlikely. The prospects of what you said are as encouraging as the prospects of finding intelligent life somewhere else in the universe, which in reality are almost zero. We have no evidence if life DOES exist elsewhere.

Secondly, humans' traveling at the speed of light is impossible because mass will become infinite. A shuttle traveling at those speeds, made of ordinary metals, will be reduced to ashes due to collisions with a nanometer big interstellar dust. Intergalactic travel is impossible. Now. Probably in future too. Why? We need to discover new laws of physics to be able to utilize them for such travel. What we currently know of physics is insufficient. On the other hand, traveling to Moon does not require the knowledge of new physical laws, it is merely common sense for people of today and for those of 5000 years ago, escape earth's pull and viola.

There are talks of using dark matter as a fuel resource but all of this is speculative. Here a good read for ya: http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/bpp/
 
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You should direct that to the person who made the video.. right after he has shed sleep from his eyes and preferably after brushing his teeth and had some coffee in his system..

all I got was periodic table and the creationists saying blah..
I don't get how that proves or disproves needs or doesn't need God and I suspect in order for him to elucidate his point, his video would need to go beyond 1:05 seconds?..

He does himself a disservice to say science knows the answers but not dwell on details, yet mock 'creationists' for saying God did it and not dwell on details...

At the end of the day your beliefs are your own..

:w:
 
Evolution is false although I do not have full knowledge of it.
If we converted from chimpanzees or baboons(or whatever), then why do we see other chimpanzees(or baboons) in this world in the present?
Why did they not convert into humans? Why couldn't they socially interact like us?
 
It is always good to watch.. how else can we challenge opinions if we are not familiar with content?
 
It is always good to watch.. how else can we challenge opinions if we are not familiar with content?

The argument seems to be the same in this case, unless some novel ideas have been presented? Seems to be confirmed by your reply to him.
 
Evolution is false although I do not have full knowledge of it.
If we converted from chimpanzees or baboons(or whatever), then why do we see other chimpanzees(or baboons) in this world in the present?
Why did they not convert into humans? Why couldn't they socially interact like us?

no. Baboons evolved at the same time or about the same time when we were evolving from our ancestors.
 
First assumption, if we survive 5 billion years, which is highly unlikely. The prospects of what you said are as encouraging as the prospects of finding intelligent life somewhere else in the universe, which in reality are almost zero. We have no evidence if life DOES exist elsewhere.

No, you are comparing 2 things which are not the same. We have never found life anywhere but on earth. Life on other planets would be a new thing. Technology already exists and so space travel is an extension of technology and ideas which already exist.

Secondly, humans' traveling at the speed of light is impossible because mass will become infinite. A shuttle traveling at those speeds, made of ordinary metals, will be reduced to ashes due to collisions with a nanometer big interstellar dust. Intergalactic travel is impossible. Now. Probably in future too. Why? We need to discover new laws of physics to be able to utilize them for such travel. What we currently know of physics is insufficient. On the other hand, traveling to Moon does not require the knowledge of new physical laws, it is merely common sense for people of today and for those of 5000 years ago, escape earth's pull and viola.

There are talks of using dark matter as a fuel resource but all of this is speculative. Here a good read for ya: http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/bpp/

Again you are comparing then and now. So what if today's metals would be reduced to ashes? I'm sure at one time people like yourself were saying "these wooden wheels will never go above 30mph".
Where was the speed of light mentioned? You are bringing these arguments into the conversation yourself and then answering them. Breaking the laws of physics is not a necessity to space travel. Space travel already exists to a lesser extent.

There are people alive today who were born before the first manned flight. Within their life times we've already been to the moon. If you really think travel to planets outside our solar system will ever happen then fair enough. For me though it would be surprising if it did not happen, given the time frames we are speaking of (obviously taking into account extinction or set backs).

can some say some thing about what's told here ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5wLg8EzF1o

He is saying that we do not need God to explain how we got here. An example of elements is given, ie. that we did not need God to explain the diversity of elements, and that in time we managed to understand. In this same way we will understand our origins.
It was an ok analogy.
 
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Hey,
He is saying that we do not need God to explain how we got here. An example of elements is given, ie. that we did not need God to explain the diversity of elements, and that in time we managed to understand. In this same way we will understand our origins.
It was an ok analogy.
Amasing ,it is so rare ,and very pleasent ,to see a beliver who handles the intelectual honesty that good ,you got it .

If we converted from chimpanzees or baboons(or whatever), then why do we see other chimpanzees(or baboons) in this world in the present?
This is the most common asked question by IDrs ,and the most commonly anwsered ,we did not evolve from chimps ,but we have a common ancestor specie ,like all species it divided into many groups who had different environments ,that made them taken different ways of natural selection .

I did not even bother watching that.
Not suprising from a person who has a sophism as a signature :p
 
He does himself a disservice to say science knows the answers but not dwell on details

The details are there : the nuclear fusion ,explaining the intelectual rooting (the
successive theories)

witch led to the "Nuclar fusion" would be a physics course ,any one can find this in the internet .
what you are saying is there is no evidence of nuclar fusion ?oh my friend it's a very havy statement .
 
The details are there : the nuclear fusion ,explaining the intelectual rooting (the
successive theories)

witch led to the "Nuclar fusion" would be a physics course ,any one can find this in the internet .
what you are saying is there is no evidence of nuclar fusion ?oh my friend it's a very havy statement .


this witch?

wicked-witch.jpg



lead to 'nuclear fusion' and that means there is no God?
I don't understand what you are writing!
Nuclear fusion is a reaction where nuclei combine and in the process release massive energy.. would you like to tie this in for us with the topic and the ready made conclusions?

It seems you are having a soliloquy by yourself on the side where you not only have all the answers, but have made assumptions for others that I assume you wish to engage?.. I am neither your friend nor have I said that there is no evidence of nuclear fusion.

This is how you write a physics paper on evolution:

http://arxiv.org/ftp/q-bio/papers/0603/0603005.pdf

THE MODERN THEORY OF EVOLUTION FROM THE VIEWPOINT OF
STATISTICAL PHYSICS
ALEXEY V. MELKIKH
Ural State Technical University
19 Mira St., 620002 Yekaterinburg, Russia
[email protected]
The problem of the rate and mechanisms of biological evolution was considered. It
was shown that species could not be formed due to undirected mutations in
characteristic times of about one million years. A mechanism of deterministic
molecular evolution assuming a directed change of the genome was proposed.
Key words: undirected mutations; deterministic evolution; probability of new
species origin
Introduction
Views on biological evolution have changed considerably in recent decades
since much success has been achieved in the study of the structure and functions of
the genome (adaptive mutations, mobile genetic elements, epigenetics, the
horizontal transport of genes, etc.). Many scientists speak about the change of the
evolution paradigm and new genetics (see, for example, [1-3]), while other hold, as
before, to neo-Darwinian views [4-12]. Does all this new knowledge about genes
lead to a new theory of evolution or represent just an improvement of the
Darwinian theory of evolution?
Modern theories do not provide evidence that some other, rather than
Darwinian (undirected changes of the genome, selection and the genetic drift),
mechanism of evolution operates. Models of the evolution process are needed so as
to make estimates and show what mechanism is in play exactly.
Such estimates are absent in both the neo-Darwinian theory [10] and models
of the horizontal transport of genes [13-15], epigenetic processes [16-17], adaptive
mutations [18-20], etc. Although there is a great number of studies dealing with
simulation of evolution of species, neither author calculated the probability that
new species can appear by way of undirected changes of the genome. For example,
numerical calculations were made in Eigen's model of quasi-species for short
nucleotide chains only. The applicability of the model to real genomes (which are
about 109 long) has been postulated as something obvious. However, this is just the
main problem: the number of possible combinations of nucleotides rises with the
growth of their number in the genome, while the number of organisms, on the
contrary, generally decreases (on transition from protozoa to higher organisms).
From the physical viewpoint, Darwinian evolution represents an analogue of
the Brownian motion in the space of attributes of organisms. In this sense, it is
important to estimate characteristic times of evolution. Can new species appear by
diffusion in the space of attributes?
1. Evaluation of the Probability of New Species Formation in Terms of
the Synthetic Theory of Evolution
According to the modern theory of evolution, the main mechanisms by
which new species appear are mutations and the horizontal gene transport. It is
assumed that mutations in a genome can be not only casual, but frequently
represent rearrangements of blocks already available in the genome. At the same
time, the basic proposition of the modern theory of evolution is its nondirectivity.
That is, whatever mutations may be, they are not directed a priori to creation of
"good" combinations of nucleotides. The same reasoning applies to processes of
the horizontal transport of genes: while being largely non-casual, they are not
oriented to creation of "good" genes.
Otherwise, aprioristic information about the structure of the genome of
future species would be needed for directed changes in the genome. According to
STE, such aprioristic information is unavailable.
To estimate characteristic times necessary for appearance of new species, we
shall consider a genome having the following properties (in accordance with main
provisions of the modern theory of evolution):
1. A genome represents an ordered set X with elements (nucleotides) X1, …,
XN (N being the total number of nucleotides in the genome). Each element can take
one of four values (A, T, G, C). The following operations Pi are applicable to the
elements: replacement of individual elements, replacement of blocks of elements,
and any rearrangements of blocks and elements. All these processes have different
probabilities.
2. The operations cause appearance of a new organism whose survival
probability is determined by the genome structure and properties of the
environment. An ecological niche (occupied by one species) represents a region of
the phase space where a small number of organisms increases in quantity (the
reproduction rate is positive). Let us label the set of genomes of organisms in the
niche as L0. At the initial moment of time each niche is surrounded by k empty
nearest niches (the corresponding sets are labeled L1…Lk). Neighboring ecological
niches are separated by a region where the reproduction rate is negative.
3. The nearest neighboring species have N1 different nucleotides (the
Hemming characteristic distance between nearest neighboring sets is Li). We shall
refer to nucleotides, which belong at least to one of the sets L1 … Lk, as "good"
ones. The characteristic distance between organisms of one species is labeled N2
(the intraspecific distinction) (Fig. 1).
4. Whatever the operations Pi may be, they are not oriented a priori to
creation of new species adapted to the environment. Organisms do not know the
location of nearest ecological niches, while positions of "good" nucleotides in the
genome are unknown a priori.
N2
N1
L1
L2
Lk
L0
These properties coincide in many respects with properties of the quasispecies
model [10], but the probability of species formation was not evaluated in
terms of the last model for real sizes of genomes. In this sense, the property 4,
which forms the basis of STE, has the principal significance.
Let the probabilities that two arbitrarily chosen nucleotides Xk and Xl are
"good" (belong to one of neighboring sets L1 … Lk) be equal to pk and pl
respectively. Does the probability that they are "good" simultaneously depend on
the numbers of these nucleotides (their positions in the genome)? If such
dependence exists, it will mean the availability of the aprioristic knowledge which
nucleotides are "good" and which are not. This is in conflict with the property 4
and changes of the genome prove to be directed. Then the numbering order of
Fig. 1. Ecological niches (colored grey)
nucleotides is not important for calculation of the probability that they are good.
Obviously, the notion of "a block" becomes senseless for calculations of this
probability: since boundaries of blocks of a neighboring species are unknown a
priori, it is not important whether any nucleotides change under the action of
operations in a mutually correlated pattern or not.
Since nearest species differ by N1 nucleotides, it is necessary to determine
the probability that they will be exactly N1 (considering the distinction between
organisms within one species). Furthermore, these nucleotides should be correctly
distributed in the genome. Notice that if random walks occur in the space of
attributes and the position of neighboring niches is not known beforehand (the
darwinian mechanism of evolution), the position of mutated nucleotides in the
genome and their structure are unknown either. If such aprioristic knowledge is
unavailable, the probability of N1 nucleotides hitting "right" places is
( )
3 1
1
!
! ! 1 1
1 N N
W N N N −
= . (1)
The formula (1) is deduced as follows. The probability that the first mutated
nucleotide is "right" (i.e. not only hits the place of mutation, but also is the one
needed) equals
N
N
3
1
.
The probability for the second mutated nucleotide is
3( 1)
1 1


N
N
.
And for the last
( )1 3
1
N − N .
The general probability is the product of these probabilities and, hence, we
have the formula (1).
If an error, which is possible at this stage (the intraspecific distinction), is
taken into account, we have:
( )
3 1 2
1
!
! ! 1 1
N N N
N N N


. (2)
Let us estimate this value using Stirling's formula for large numbers:
( ) ( ) ( )
ln ( )ln 3
ln ln
3
1
!
ln ln ! !
1 2
1 1 1 1
1 1
1 1 2
N N N N
N N N N N N
N
W N N N N N
− − −
= − − + −

= − .
For example, at N = 3×109, N1 = 0.01N and N2 = 0.001N (for example, see
[21-24]) we have
8
1 lnW = −0.066N ≈ −2 ×10 .
Then for W1 we obtain
( 8 )
1 W ≈ exp − 2×10 .
Thus, the probability that mutated nucleotides prove to be exactly the ones
needed for formation of a new species is vanishingly small: new species of
organisms could not appear due to undirected mutations.
Let us estimate separately the probability that the number of mutated
nucleotides will fall within the interval
2 2
2
1
2
1
N N N N N X − < < + .
Let the number of mutated nucleotides NX have the Gaussian distribution.
Since this number is large, this distribution may be viewed as continuous:
( ) ( )
 


 

 −
= − 2
2
2
1
2 2
exp
2
1
m
X m
m
X N
N N
N
f N
π .
Here N2m represents the characteristic width of the distribution. The
probability that the number of nucleotides falls within the specified interval is
( )

+

 


 

 −
= −
/ 2
/ 2
2
2
2
1
2
2
1 2
1 2 2
exp
2
1 N N
N N
X
m
X m
m
dN
N
N N
N
W
π .
What parameters of this distribution should be for W to be a maximum? It is
easy to show that the maximum W2 (equal to unity) will be realized when
1 1 N N m =
and N2m tends to zero. In this case, the distribution of nucleotides represents a δ-
function. Of course, this assumption is unrealistic and in the nature any such
distribution (even if nucleotides are not independent) has a final dispersion.
Therefore, if the real distribution of nucleotides is taken into account, the
probability of hitting the specified interval decreases still more. Let us make the
upper estimate, i.e. assume that exactly
2 2
2
1
2
1
N N N N N X − < < +
nucleotides change as a result of mutation.
How many attempts are required so that at least one organism reaches any of
the neighboring ecological niches? Since positions of elements belonging to the
sets L1 … Lk are unknown, the distance between the sets remains (on the average)
the same (according to the property 4, all the operations are not directed) after the
first attempt, i.e. can decrease or increase with an equal probability. Therefore, the
total number of attempts can be counted taking the number of organisms of a given
species ever living on the Earth. They may be both descendants of one organism
(transition in a great number of small steps) and descendants of other organisms
(parallel transition).
Therefore, we shall multiply the probability that at least one organism gets
into a neighboring niche by the number of organisms of the given species ever
living on the Earth. Thus, all possible attempts (whatever their factor of
multiplication between niches be, the real number of organisms is limited by
natural resources) are taken into account. If some organisms do not survive the
action of selection, the number will be still smaller.
Even the very probability of the first hit represents a combinatorially small
number. It is obvious therefore that real dimensions of populations of any
organisms cannot considerably increase this probability.
Finally, the obtained probability is multiplied by the number of nearest
ecological niches adjacent to the given niche. This operation gives (considering the
assumptions made) the upper estimate of the probability that at least one organism
reaches at least one neighboring ecological niche:
( )
3 1 2
1
!
! ! 1 1
N N N
k N N N
T
W m t −

= . (3)
Here T is the lifetime of an organism, t is the characteristic time of formation of a
new species, m is the number of a population of organisms, and k is the number of
ecological niches adjacent to the given niche. Let us also take into account the
known relations N1 = 0.01N and N2 = 0.001N. The W1 estimate (2) suggests that
the number W is negligibly small too ( W ≈ 10−57000000 ).
The estimates disregarded processes of the further conversion of information
in the genome (the genome regulation, alternative splicing, etc.). It can be shown
however that the probability of formation of new species is of the same order of
magnitude if one compares sequences of amino acids in proteins.
Thus, species could not appear due to undirected mutations. Therefore, a
considerable part of mutations and operations of the horizontal transport of genes
are directed to creation of organisms a priori adapted to new ecological conditions.
In this case, the very mechanism of evolution changes drastically: it turns from
casual to deterministic.
2. Genome as a Neurocomputer
There is a variety of papers, in which a genome is treated as a network of
interconnected genes analogous to a neuron network (see, for example, [25-28]). If
an analogy is drawn between a genome (or several genomes) and a neuron
network, it should be noted that a fundamental property of a neuron network,
without which it cannot work, is the presence of two modes: recording and pattern
recognition. The work of a neuroprocessor starts from presentation of a pattern.
The pattern presentation (input of a primary set of attributes) is realized as follows.
At the initial moment of time signals that activate some elements are transmitted
via external links. A presented pattern is maintained for some time, during which
the links "learn" (in other words, conductivity of current-carrying links decreases).
After the learning procedure, the processor can recognize objects by relating them
to some class of objects it learned.
Thus, a neuron network (or similar structures) will not work without a
priori standards (an initial set of attributes or reference patterns)! In this case, it has
nothing to compare with a received signal and the decision as to the "good" or
"bad" signal is impossible. If some special assumptions on properties of a
"genome" neuron network are not made, this network cannot process signals from
the environment and adequately react to them.
In this case, environmental effects will have the character of a random
process (in the aforementioned sense) and cannot accelerate evolution. That is, the
model proposed in [2] is a particular case of neo-Darwinism.
If it is assumed that a program of genes control appeared casually, we
again encounter a contradiction since the probability of formation of this program
proves to be vanishingly small. If, thanks to random processes, a genome forms a
sequence encoding proteins, which are responsible for shuffling of genes or their
parts, there are no reasons to assert that new genes will be "good". The probability
of this process should be estimated using the formula (3) for random processes,
which gives vanishingly small probabilities of such events.
3. Main Ideas of the Deterministic Theory
Of course, the construction of the deterministic theory requires a special
discussion, but even now it is possible to formulate basic ideas of this theory (see
also [29, 30]).
1. Random processes, which cause changes of the genome, may take place
concurrently with deterministic processes representing the purpose-oriented work
of molecular machines. Such a controlled change of the genome essentially
approaches the morphogenesis. Consequently, new species of organisms will not
appear casually, but will result from a deterministic process.
2. Information cannot appear from nothing (such a process would contradict
the second law of thermodynamics). Therefore, aprioristic information about new
species should be encoded in some structures. Conformational degrees of freedom
of proteins presumably may serve as the storage of this aprioristic information.
These degrees of freedom represent an additional information resource since only
the sequence of protein amino acids, but not the spatial structure of the protein is
encoded in genes.
3. Laws of functioning of molecular machines are general for different cell
processes. From the viewpoint of statistical thermodynamics of irreversible
processes, the work of these machines consists in an efficient conversion of one
form of energy to its another form – the cross effect (see also [31]). Operations on
genes, which can be a result of the work of molecular machines, may be reduced to
several elementary operations, such as identification of a DNA fragment (a
protein), cutting of a macromolecule, cross-linking, etc.
Conclusion
Thus, this study showed that undirected evolution of organisms takes a too
long time for appearance of new species (including the case where genes form a
complex network). A mechanism of deterministic evolution was proposed. The
essence of this mechanism is that possible species of organisms are predetermined
by properties of proteins and nucleotides. The structure and chemical properties of
nucleotides, amino acids and other substances essential for life are such that
changes in a genome, which lead to appearance of new species, become
controllable. The formation of new species represents a deterministic process
approaching the morphogenesis.
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Hey,
Amasing ,it is so rare ,and very pleasent ,to see a beliver who handles the intelectual honesty that good ,you got it .

This is the most common asked question by IDrs ,and the most commonly anwsered ,we did not evolve from chimps ,but we have a common ancestor specie ,like all species it divided into many groups who had different environments ,that made them taken different ways of natural selection .


Not suprising from a person who has a sophism as a signature :p

Hey,

what do you mean by "sophism?" How is my signature logically fallacious? Mind explaining it to me, I might not understand your explanations with your primitive English writing skills. Seems you are either from Turkey or Iran, based on the spellings of your name. What is up, ya kaafir?


I also have 2 first author publications (in press) in prestigious journals in addition to my itching signature, should I shove them down your semi-intelligent brain?
 
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No, you are comparing 2 things which are not the same. We have never found life anywhere but on earth. Life on other planets would be a new thing. Technology already exists and so space travel is an extension of technology and ideas which already exist.



Again you are comparing then and now. So what if today's metals would be reduced to ashes? I'm sure at one time people like yourself were saying "these wooden wheels will never go above 30mph".
Where was the speed of light mentioned? You are bringing these arguments into the conversation yourself and then answering them. Breaking the laws of physics is not a necessity to space travel. Space travel already exists to a lesser extent.

There are people alive today who were born before the first manned flight. Within their life times we've already been to the moon. If you really think travel to planets outside our solar system will ever happen then fair enough. For me though it would be surprising if it did not happen, given the time frames we are speaking of (obviously taking into account extinction or set backs).



He is saying that we do not need God to explain how we got here. An example of elements is given, ie. that we did not need God to explain the diversity of elements, and that in time we managed to understand. In this same way we will understand our origins.
It was an ok analogy.

Either you are not reading properly or you lack the capacity to understand what I have said, twice.

Intergalactic or interstellar travel is not possible with the existing laws of physics that we are aware of. At least not within feasible periods of time.

From the scholarly site I gave you:

"Since existing technology is inadequate for traversing astronomical distances between neighboring stars (even if advanced to the limit of its underlying physics), the only way to circumvent these limits is to discover new propulsion physics. The discovery of new force-production and energy-exchange principles would lead to a whole new class of technologies. This is the motivation of breakthrough propulsion physics research.

Objectively, the desired breakthroughs might turn out to be impossible, but progress is not made by conceding defeat."
 
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Hello,

lead to 'nuclear fusion' and that means there is no God?
I don't understand what you are writing!

Nuclear fusion is a reaction where nuclei combine and in the process release massive energy.. would you like to tie this in for us with the topic and the ready made conclusions?

It means :

The mystery of the atoms diversity was solved without any need of an intelligent designer ,the laws of physics were enough ,it stoped to be a mystery when the fusion science was finaly mastered ,the fusion do not only relase energy ,it creates new atoms ,it's called : Stellar nuclosynthesis ,i guess you already knew that .
http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Stellar_nucleosynthesis

The diversity of life ,explaining it with god is just filling gaps with myth ,i assume that the atoms one was explained by myth among belivers until the Stellar cucleosynthesis theory .


what do you mean by "sophism?" How is my signature logically fallacious?
Praying for the limitation of your free will is such a big deal yes .

ya kaafir
Now days kaafir is more likely a compliment ,but if you said it like and insult ,that means that you are insulting some one you dont even know ,neither did something wrong to you .
Nothing surprising from a totalitarian conceited durka .
 
Hello,



It means :

The mystery of the atoms diversity was solved without any need of an intelligent designer ,the laws of physics were enough ,it stoped to be a mystery when the fusion science was finaly mastered ,the fusion do not only relase energy ,it creates new atoms ,it's called : Stellar nuclosynthesis ,i guess you already knew that .
http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Stellar_nucleosynthesis

The diversity of life ,explaining it with god is just filling gaps with myth ,i assume that the atoms one was explained by myth among belivers until the Stellar cucleosynthesis theory .



Praying for the limitation of your free will is such a big deal yes .


Now days kaafir is more likely a compliment ,but if you said it like and insult ,that means that you are insulting some one you dont even know ,neither did something wrong to you .
Nothing surprising from a totalitarian conceited durka .

If you are aware of the meaning of the word kaafir, you would know that a sane man/woman will find it condescending, insulting and derogatory. I only suspect the sanity of those who take the word as a compliment. They need to be in the psychiatric wards!

Praying for the limitation my free-will? I can have a free-will to put a bullet in your head too but I of course would not carry out such an action. In the same way I have a free-will to commit kufr but I am asking God to prevent me from reaching that stage.

Hey kaafir, what else do you know about stellar nucleosynthesis? You've asked for it, I am well-versed in it. How does the knowledge of existence of nuclear fusion explains the existence of this process in the first place? Stellar nucleosynthesis only explains how elements are created. Dimwit, stellar nucleosynthesis provides a strong argument for Big Bang, the creation of universe.

no scientific theory explains why phenomenon exist. Why is explained by God. At least for me. No one is filling the gaps here. The only myth is that scientific explanation necessitates lack of existence of God.

khotay, ullo ke pathay.
 
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