Ex-AtheistMuslims.com - No biological man-made life yet – Science is decades behind..

[MustafaMc]

excellent article even though from a christian perspective I enjoyed the way he reasoned just the same:

https://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=12&article=273

Yes, that was an interesting article and it helped explain why some believe in ToE. Quoting from Reason #4 "... Sir Arthur Keith of Great Britain wrote: “Evolution is unproved and unprovable. We believe it because the only alternative is special creation, and that is unthinkable” (as quoted in Criswell, 1972, p. 73). Professor D.M.S. Watson, who held the position of the Chair of Evolution at the University of London for more than twenty years, echoed the same sentiments when he stated that “evolution itself is accepted by zoologists, not because it has been observed to occur or can be proven by logically coherent evidence to be true, but because the only alternative, special creation, is incredible” (1929, 123:233). These kinds of statements leave little to the imagination, and make it clear that those who say such things believe in evolution not because of any evidence, but instead because they have made up their minds, a priori, that they are not going to believe in God....'

This website http://www.dissentfromdarwin.org/index.php shows that not all scientists accept ToE.

 

[Pygoscelis]

You can hem and haw all you want, but at the end of the day the Theory of Evolution has some evidence for it, even if it is evidence you don't find convincing, even if it is incomplete, even if it can't explain everything. Evolution has some evidence for it, from multiple areas of study. Creation by an all knowing all good all powerful God, on the other hand, has no evidence. How could it? It isn't falsifiable and goalposts are constantly moving back. All we get is "Stop asking questions and start believing!" and "Its the default assumption!" and "have faith". Creationists saying evolutionists start with an priori conclusion is the height of hypocrisy.

And claiming "it is the only alternative to special creation" is also very bold and unsupported. It shows an unwillingness to admit that we can't be certain, and that there may be a yet undiscovered truth that isn't evolution OR "special creation".

 

[جوري]

Lol bold and unsupported are the atheist claims indeed and 'some evidence' requires some explanation so far we've 13 pages or so of the same disdainful verbiage as above and nothing substantive!
Guess default and faith goes both ways here but the disillusioned would love to believe that some expedient effort was made even if it were all a great deal of nonsense!
Believers have glossy websites for their contents all the same where's the evidence based science?
Want to hold on to those beliefs no one is holdin you back but know that it's just that a substitution of beliefs you find unacceptable for an even more absurd set!

 

[Pygoscelis]

I would like to see you admit what I have admitted from the start.

I don't know for certain how the universe came to be.

I don't know for certain how life came to be on earth.

Can you admit you also don't know?

Or will you guys always duck that question?

Apriori assumption you say?

 

[جوري]

get a glass of water and calm down.. I repeatedly quoted from the Quran that the secrets of creation are with :Allah::swt: - perhaps if you read more and reacted less you'd have internalized that truth without presenting some fiasco an alternate truth and then binning it when the facts are laid out on the table!

best,

 

[Muhaba]

You can hem and haw all you want, but at the end of the day the Theory of Evolution has some evidence for it, even if it is evidence you don't find convincing, even if it is incomplete, even if it can't explain everything. Evolution has some evidence for it, from multiple areas of study. Creation by an all knowing all good all powerful God, on the other hand, has no evidence. How could it? It isn't falsifiable and goalposts are constantly moving back. All we get is "Stop asking questions and start believing!" and "Its the default assumption!" and "have faith". Creationists saying evolutionists start with an priori conclusion is the height of hypocrisy.

And claiming "it is the only alternative to special creation" is also very bold and unsupported. It shows an unwillingness to admit that we can't be certain, and that there may be a yet undiscovered truth that isn't evolution OR "special creation".

I want the answer to "Where did the first particle come from?"

Before you can even start thinking whether TOE has any possibility or not, you need to answer that question.

 

[جوري]

I want the answer to "Where did the first particle come from?"

In fact they need to answer that since they've already admitted that life as we know it didn't always exist!

 

[observer]

I want the answer to "Where did the first particle come from?"

Before you can even start thinking whether TOE has any possibility or not, you need to answer that question.

And the answer, as stated various times in this thread, is that we don't know. Does not knowing that render the whole of science invalid?

 

[جوري]

render the whole of science invalid?

You often draw wrong conclusions with the expectation from others to build on your brand of understanding.
I don't think you ask with the intent to listen or learn but the intent to simply reply with anything irrelevant!

best,

 

[MustafaMc]

I would like to see you admit what I have admitted from the start.

I don't know for certain how the universe came to be.

I don't know for certain how life came to be on earth.

Can you admit you also don't know?

I will admit, "I don't know for certain how the universe came to be and I don't know for certain how life came to be on earth; however, I do strongly believe that God created the universe, life itself, and all species of life." I have admitted genetic similarity between similar species that seems to be consistent with evolution, but I have also pointed out the deficiency of random mutation being a positive creative force for natural selection to act upon. I would like to see someone counter the points I have made to present ToE as a plausible working theory even with a simple example of how a horse and a zebra, or a donkey spontaneously emerged from a common horse-like ancestor. Perhaps even these obvious genetic similarities were created for truly thinking minds to ponder and to build their faith in God as the Creator, glorified and exalted is He.