Exclusive: Israel buys 2 new submarines from Germany

[QuranStudy]

Sorry, but the Persian Gulf War did not last "years".

I wasn't talking about the Persian Gulf war. I was talking about the "Second Gulf War (aka. Iraq war)." Three years and ongoing....

As for Hezbollah "defeating" Isreal, I disagree with that statement. The primary goal of Israel was to weaken Hezbollah and end their control of southern Lebanon.

None of these objectives were met.

It appears, if this international force does its job, this goal will have been achieved. Did Israel kill every last member of Hezbollah? Of course not. I do believe that the Israeli military was slightly embarrassed by many of their blunders in the initial stages of the conflict.

The international force will be another failure.

 

[Keltoi]

I wasn't talking about the Persian Gulf war. I was talking about the "Second Gulf War (aka. Iraq war)." Three years and ongoing....



None of these objectives were met.



The international force will be another failure.

The Iraq War isn't a conventional war, it is an occupation with a growing secular insurgency.

I don't think anyone knows the full extent of the damage done to Hezbollah, since they aren't exactly forthcoming with such info. If I were you, I would hope that the international force is effective, otherwise there will be more death in Lebanon.

 

[QuranStudy]

I don't think anyone knows the full extent of the damage done to Hezbollah, since they aren't exactly forthcoming with such info.

Will close to 300 rockets (more than ever) landing on Israel on the last day of war and over 200 per day on average, I doubt damage was significant

 

[ACC]

Will close to 300 rockets (more than ever) landing on Israel on the last day of war and over 200 per day on average, I doubt damage was significant

You seem to be the biggets cheerleader here. I have absolutely bo doubt that Israel could wipe them off the map if they did not restrain themselves. You say hezbolah restrained itself...I say big deal. A few less cowardly suicide bombings and missile attacks on civilian populations.

If Israel did not restrain themselves, they could carpet bomb every city, while sending in all of their tanks, as well as shelling from the sea. If they did this with absolutely no regard for civilian populations, I can assure you that the leader of hezbolah would not know what hit him. Israel could wipe out every city.

But, as someone said earlier, this thread has turned into 'my dad can beat up your dad.' Feel free to respond. I will respond no more to this thread.

 

[QuranStudy]

You seem to be the biggets cheerleader here. I have absolutely bo doubt that Israel could wipe them off the map if they did not restrain themselves. You say hezbolah restrained itself...I say big deal. A few less cowardly suicide bombings and missile attacks on civilian populations.

Like I said before, this section of the thread has been plagued with opinions and baseless speculation. I am sure by the time Iran developes nuclear energy, Israel will need to face the risk of regime change.

If Israel did not restrain themselves, they could carpet bomb every city, while sending in all of their tanks, as well as shelling from the sea. If they did this with absolutely no regard for civilian populations, I can assure you that the leader of hezbolah would not know what hit him. Israel could wipe out every city.

Mass destruction does not equate to victory. Israel caused much more damage than Hezbollah and yet Hezbollah won (again).

 

[Trumble]

As for Hezbollah "defeating" Isreal, I disagree with that statement.

Whatever 'victory' Hezbollah may have achieved was political, not military. The only way Israel could (and would - don't kid yourselves) have won a purely military victory was by a full scale invasion of Lebanon. That fact that no such invasion took place was because, even to the Israelis, it was viewed as politically unacceptable. It had nothing to do with any military successes Hezbollah may or may not have had... although such successes may well have been the reason it was needed for Israel to 'win'.

As has been said, apples and oranges. The Lebanon conflict has no relevance whatsoever to any potential war between Iran and Israel.

Will close to 300 rockets (more than ever) landing on Israel on the last day of war and over 200 per day on average, I doubt damage was significant

So do I, except in propaganda terms. As a reference point the Soviets fired something like 2 million such rockets at Berlin. They might have done a bit of damage!

 

[Woodrow]

War fare is no longer measured in terms of victory. If it ever was. We just have degrees of loss. The question is not who wins it is who is the least affected by the losses. Some countries can tolerate a billion dollars and a million lives lost and others will be devastated if they lost a thousand lives and a million dollars in damage. The victor is the one who can say it was worth the price.

 

[starfortress]

Israel would 'wipe' Iran off the map with its hundreds of jericho III nukes. Iran would be no longer a nation if Israel chose to press a button.

lol,thats not going to happen,thats not a simple just like that to execute the button,how many country will dare to do the same action.

Israel could win over Iran,but believe me they will use a proxy tactic, try to make other nation like U.S,Britain to get involve with its agenda,or wait untill the bloody UN security council decision on Iran Nuke program not sided to Iran.Almost impossible for Israel to taking down Iran with her own hand,in fact the Hezbollah getting stronger to the lebanese,dont forget the Hezbollah group is the outside version to Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps of Iran.Anyway this is only my opinion.

 

[Zulkiflim]

Salaam,

No matter how armed the Isrelais are,the more armed they are,the more fear they will have..

Every counter attack by armed forces like Hamas and Lebanese will casue them to fear even more.

The fear lies in their hearts and mind,like when Hitler subjugated and oppresed them,they all lostt faith and did not fight back but just surrendered to death.Where as here,under a longer periof of oppresion at the hand of the Isrealis,the Palestiain will always fight and we will alwyas support them..

Isnhallah,the fear they will carry to their graves.

 

[Keltoi]

Salaam,

No matter how armed the Isrelais are,the more armed they are,the more fear they will have..

Every counter attack by armed forces like Hamas and Lebanese will casue them to fear even more.

The fear lies in their hearts and mind,like when Hitler subjugated and oppresed them,they all lostt faith and did not fight back but just surrendered to death.Where as here,under a longer periof of oppresion at the hand of the Isrealis,the Palestiain will always fight and we will alwyas support them..

Isnhallah,the fear they will carry to their graves.

Perhaps I'm confused, but I don't see any correlation between the Holocaust and the situation between Israel and the Palestinians. Plus, I'm not sure why Israel being "afraid" is supposedly a victory for Hamas or Hezbollah. Nations and people are more dangerous when they are afraid.

 

[Trumble]

The fear lies in their hearts and mind,like when Hitler subjugated and oppresed them,they all lostt faith and did not fight back but just surrendered to death.Where as here,under a longer periof of oppresion at the hand of the Isrealis,the Palestiain will always fight and we will alwyas support them.

Ah, so the cowardly Jews just meekly surrendered while the brave, heroic Palestinians will always fight?

The circumstances were, and are, completely different. Much as many here like to pretend otherwise, the oppression of the Palestinians (and there certainly has been some) by Israel is peanuts compared to what the Nazis did to the Jews and others. It's peanuts compared to what is happening in Darfur, come to that - but still the silence is deafening. Don't you get that oppression (which has primarily been economic rather than anything else) is in a rather different league to mass extermination? Sorry, I don't see any Palestinians in Israeli gas chambers.