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HA HA HA HA. You think the Americans are gonna just let Iran fly over Iraq while we're there? Man you must be high
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What are you smoking? LOL, when do you suppose there will be war?
 
I myself was entertained by your posts. Unfortunately I won't be able to return the favor since I prefer facts over jibberish. I'll post my "information" in an hour -- quite busy with work right now :)[/QUOTE said:
I can honestly say you are the first person I have ever heard say that Iran would walk all over Israel in a war. I am eagerly awaiting what you have. I can also assure you that I will read it with an open mind.
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QuranStudy said:
LOL, you really need military education. The only advantage Israel has are advanced weapons and planes. Go visit a military forum. Most would agree than Iran would defeat Israel in a ground war quite easilly.
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I'm afraid its you that needs the education. Superior planes in adequate numbers means total air supremacy. Total air supremacy means any conventional "ground war" could have only one result. I look forward to seeing some links to "military forums" where anyone thinks otherwise.

As a point of information, you underestimate Israeli armour too; the Merkava is one of the best MBTs in the world . Go check the figures for Iraqi tanks killed versus American and British tanks killed in the first Gulf War and you'll get some idea how things might turn out.
 
Of course Iran couldn't win a conventional war against Israel, the U.S., the U.K., China, Russia, etc....their military capability just isn't on the same level.
 
The Iranian military is actually quite good and have some very modern equipment. It is actually a myth that the Iranians have outdated "primitive" equipment the only area where this is true is there Air force but even then it's not that bad. Iran actually operate top of the line modern technology from UAV's, Night vision/thermal vision equipment, H&K G3 assault rifles, bull pup assault rifles, Kilo class subs etc...

Iran has :

Kilo Class Russian Submarines
http://www.kommersant.com/page.asp?id=588627
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/row/rus/877.htm

F-14(American) Improved with Prussian technology
http://armoreddefense.com/v-web/gall...mcat_Iran_0004

Mig-29


F-4 Improved and upgraded

SU-25
http://armoreddefense.com/v-web/gall...u_25_Iran_0001

F-5 Improved and Upgraded
http://armoreddefense.com/v-web/gall..._Iran_0003.jpg

They also have :

- TOW missiles
- Phoenix missiles
- improved Hawk missiles
- Dragon (single warhead anti-tank)
- Harpoon Anti ship cruise missiles
- Hawk SAM
- Mavericks
- Sidewinders (quantity minimum 288 imported from America)
- Sparrows Missiles
http://www.nti.org/e_research/profil...sile/2420.html

Chinese M7 Ballistic Missiles

Chinese M11 Ballistic missiles

Raad-t (AT-3c with SACLOS guidance and tandem warhead):
http://warfare.ru/?catid=261&linkid=2202
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e2...sterx/raad.jpg

Iranian konkurs at-5 with 800mm armour penatration :
http://www.aeronautics.ru/nws002/reuters037.htm

Toophan and Toophan-2:
http://www.janes.com/aerospace/milit...0526_2_n.shtml
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e2...rx/toophan.jpg

Iranian Super Dragon Anti-tank missiles (very powerful anti-armor warhead):
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e2...uperdragon.jpg

Iraian "Shahab Thaqeb" (French Crotale Copy)
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e2...erx/shahab.jpg
http://sinodefence.com/army/surfacetoairmissile/hq7.asp
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/crotale/


Also Iran has imported many weapons over the years from other countries. Iran has imported thousands of ballistic missiles and hundreds of SCUD-D missiles which have improved CEP and range :
http://www.nti.org/e_research/profil...sile/2420.html

Information about SCUD-C and Scud -D from janes :
http://www.janes.com/security/intern...ud010426.shtml

12 x kh-55 2500km range cruise missiles :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4361505.stm

18 x North Korean BM-25 2500km ballistic missiles :
http://www.janes.com/defence/land_fo...1229_1_n.shtml

Iran also imported 800 Steyr .50BMG Anti-Material sniper rifles:

http://www.iranmania.com/News/Articl...urrent+Affairs
http://in.news.yahoo.com/051228/137/61qpa.html

Imported close to 2000 Ballitic misiles (800 alone near the end of 1992 from Russia) :
http://www.nti.org/e_research/profil...sile/2420.html

Shahab-3D (most advanced medium range ballistic missiles in the world)

Misagh-1 (Modern Second Generation Shoulder Launched SAM)
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e2...x/misagh-1.jpg

Misagh-2 (Even more advanced SL-SAM Similar to SA-16 Igla-1)
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e2...70195_L600.jpg

Tor-M1 SAM :
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177539,00.html
http://www.warfare.ru/?catid=264&lin...deo=true&id=32

Iran also manufactures weapons such as:

-Modern tanks coated with ERA bricks and composite armor, Improved sights, fire while moving capability, Thermal/nigh vision, stabilized turrets,(Basically incorporating 'Chieftain' technology)
-Self propelled artillery systems
-UAV's, guided munitions,
-Cobra gunships,
-Mini submarines,
-H&K MP5 SMG,
-H&K(CETME) G3 assault rifles,
-Khayber bull pup assault rifles,
-Night vision equipment,
-Thermal Imaging equipment
-Tandem Warhead improved RPG's
-Bullet proof helmets and vests
-ballistic goggles
And much much more stuff (click on link for more information):
http://www.network54.com/Forum/39146...ection+is+done

By the way the stuff i have listed above is not even close to describing 50% of Iran.s full capability. This is why no country messes with Iran.

I do not know much about the Iranian warplanes, but so fair I know they have F14 Tomcats which they have greatly upgraded:
http://www.iiaf.net/aircraft/jetfighters/F14/f14.html

More:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/airforce.htm
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/airforce-equipment.htm
http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?airlinesearch=Iran - Air Force&distinct_entry=true

From what the news says, Iran is going to buy F16s from Venezuela.

http://forums.spikedhumor.com/showthread.php?t=3212&page=1&pp=25
www.militaryphotos.net


Also note that Iran has the 8th largest military in the world. Israel has the 31st largest military.
 
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Of course Iran couldn't win a conventional war against Israel, the U.S., the U.K., China, Russia, etc....their military capability just isn't on the same level.
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This section of the forum has been plagued with opinion and baseless speculation. This is no place for cheerleading, is it?

Were you the one who claimed Israel will beat Hezbollah?? I would love to see a war with Israel. The Zionists need to die and let peace prevail again.
 
QuranStudy said:
This section of the forum has been plagued with opinion and baseless speculation. This is no place for cheerleading, is it?

Were you the one who claimed Israel will beat Hezbollah??
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Who is cheerleading? I'm speaking in terms of military capability. As Trumble mentioned, air superiority is key. Iranian tanks could not stand up to American or Israeli tank divisions. It isn't cheerleading, it is simply an educated deduction.
 
Who is cheerleading? I'm speaking in terms of military capability. As Trumble mentioned, air superiority is key. Iranian tanks could not stand up to American or Israeli tank divisions. It isn't cheerleading, it is simply an educated deduction.
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Yes, your "educated deduction" worked well in disrming Hezbollah :giggling:
 
Hezbollah is a militia inside a civilian population. Iran is a country, with a national military. Apples and oranges.
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Hezbollah = Katyusha rockets
Israel = F16s + tanks + thousands of troops.
 
LOL, i realized that some of the links I posted dont work since I copied and pasted. I'll correct this as soon as I can.
 
QuranStudy said:
Hezbollah = Katyusha rockets
Israel = F16s + tanks + thousands of troops.
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What is your point? A similar war occurred in the early 90's if you will remember. Iraq's conventional forces vs. U.S and U.K. forces....what happened there?
 
What is your point? A similar war occurred in the early 90's if you will remember. Iraq's conventional forces vs. U.S and U.K. forces....what happened there?
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My point is that Israel, despite being the mighty military power, lost to a 3000 man militia using Soviet rockets. This is the second time this has happened. Thus your assertion that Israel would win any war based on its equiment is illogical. You have to think more critically that that. The United States fought Iraq for years.
 
QuranStudy said:
My point is that Israel, despite being the mighty military power, lost to a 3000 man militia using Soviet rockets. This is the second time this has happened. Thus your assertion that Israel would win any war based on its equiment is illogical. You have to think more critically that that. The United States fought Iraq for years.
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Sorry, but the Persian Gulf War did not last "years". As for Hezbollah "defeating" Isreal, I disagree with that statement. The primary goal of Israel was to weaken Hezbollah and end their control of southern Lebanon. It appears, if this international force does its job, this goal will have been achieved. Did Israel kill every last member of Hezbollah? Of course not. I do believe that the Israeli military was slightly embarrassed by many of their blunders in the initial stages of the conflict.
 

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