Explain this Quranic verse

[Supreme]

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Thank you. So the verse is as suspected referring to the prophets before Muhammed and their followers. What I cannot grasp however is the purpose of such a verse. Why say that the Christians and Jews of hundreds of years ago would be rewarded? Is not such a verse unnecessary?

 

[aadil77]

Thank you. So the verse is as suspected referring to the prophets before Muhammed and their followers. What I cannot grasp however is the purpose of such a verse. Why say that the Christians and Jews of hundreds of years ago would be rewarded? Is not such a verse unnecessary?

No because it is telling you that there were true believers before the muslims of prophet Muhammad and that they are being rewarded for following true guidence, so basically informing you that you can also be rewarded like them for following Allah's message, also confirming that not all christians and jews were disbelievers

 

[Supreme]

No because it is telling you that there were true believers before the muslims of prophet Muhammad and that they are being rewarded for following true guidence, so basically informing you that you can also be rewarded like them for following Allah's message, also confirming that not all christians and jews were disbelievers

Thank you. This is starting to make sense.

 

[Asiyah3]

A person who follows Jesus's (Peace be upon him) teaching will be rewarded:

well mr supreme. the bible you follow was written by men and not send by god as im sure your well aware.

the verse refers to those christians and jews who followed the bible and torah as written and revealed by Allah.

 

[جوري]

So one can be Muslim without paying respect to the 5 pillars? That's essentially what the verse is saying.

I believe I have already explained on the previous page, that this is all prior to the final message-- see my post here before asking the same question over and over:

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thus the verse in question ISN'T about modern Christians or Christians subsequent to the Islamic message!


hope that clears it up for you


all the best!

http://www.islamicboard.com/clarifi...292691-explain-quranic-verse.html#post1278477

 

[جوري]

Thank you. So the verse is as suspected referring to the prophets before Muhammed and their followers. What I cannot grasp however is the purpose of such a verse. Why say that the Christians and Jews of hundreds of years ago would be rewarded? Is not such a verse unnecessary?

such a verse is necessary to allow us to know that God is just to those righteous folks of old, again, answered before, I am at a loss as to why you don't read the responses given you and see fit to ask the same questions multiple times?!

 

[Insaanah]

Originally posted by Supreme
Thank you. So the verse is as suspected referring to the prophets before Muhammed and their followers. What I cannot grasp however is the purpose of such a verse. Why say that the Christians and Jews of hundreds of years ago would be rewarded? Is not such a verse unnecessary?

I believe that the above posts have explained the purpose of that verse more than adequately.

Furthermore, rather than the verse being "unnecessary", it actually serves a double purpose (the Qur'an's miracles never cease!). If you read the whole passage in which the verse occurs, you will see that it is addressed to the Children of Israel. They are being reminded of their repeated disobedience to God's commands. Here, the object is to refute the self-delusion of the Jews that salvation was their sole monopoly. They believed they were had some special relationship with God, such that whoever belonged to their race, would go straight to heaven, irrespective of his creed and deeds. To remove this misunderstanding of theirs, Allah declares that salvation does not depend upon your connection with any group, but on right beliefs and good deeds and that ALL those who believed in their original messengers (peace be upon them all) and followed their original, unchanged teachings (as explained in numerous posts above) would find their reward with Allah, as would those who believed in Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and followed his teachings.

I hope that's made it clear.

 

[tango92]

islam (monotheism) is the religion since the beginning of time. the same God has revealed guidance for us, so whoever stuck to the true guidance he is sucessful.

god doesnt change his nature half way through human history, become 3 in 1 and murder himself so as to aquire the capacity to forgive sins. just accept it, your following the doctrines of men not jesus.

 

[sur]

Mormons see the diviniy ........
Jehovahs Witnesses are probably the people you're thinking of.......

On christianforum i met a "Unitarian" christian" & she believed in Jesus as just a Prophet of GOD......

u also might wanna Read this about unitarian-trinitarian wars...

Those who believe (in the Quran), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians- any who believes in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

(Al-Baqarah:62)

So what exactly does this verse mean?

Quran was revealed to Prophet Muhammad in bits as per need of the situation...

Rulings on some topics are scattered...... Like few verses of ruling on inheritence are in one place while other verses that add to the jurisprudence are at another place.... To compile the complete law on inheritence we have to look all relavent verses together.....


Same is the situation in verse u mentioned...... It gives certain credits to christians & jews BUT another verse tells us that ALLAH will never forgive sin of "Shirk" (making partners)..... So when we put both verses together, the result would be that those christians & jews who do NOT commit shirk & do righteous deeds etc, will have their reward.....


Another argument, that would need a whole new thread, would be that if u logically follow even presently available bible/torah u would realise it emphasizes on Jesus NOT being god, & true GOD being without son(s).... & such words were metaphorical or concocted out of extreme reverence for prophets.... or as per my theory, were concocted by a crypto-jew (Saint Paul) to corrupt true teachings of Jesus & to divide followers of Jesus into sects like another crypto-jew "Ibn-e-Saba" divided a sect into islam i.e., shiaism......

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Just to give an example of 2nd argument above. Sometimes christians say Jesus was the only "BEGOTTEN" son while other sons mentioned in bible were NOT "begotten"..... but if u search u'll find at least two more persons in bible to be BEGOTTEN of god....... So either none of those was begotten & such words were incorporated out of extreme reverence to these figures , a logical answer, or all three of them were begotten...

 

[Al-manar]

peace

Thank you. So the verse is as suspected referring to the prophets before Muhammed and their followers. What I cannot grasp however is the purpose of such a verse. Why say that the Christians and Jews of hundreds of years ago would be rewarded? Is not such a verse unnecessary?

It was necessary :



reported by alsudi : (Source Tafsir Ibn kathir)

the verse was revealed in reference to Salman the Persian(a convert to Islam) and his companions In Medina Salman met the Prophet. He told the Prophet about his former companions, who had occupied themselves with prayer and fasting and had had faith in the Prophet, whose appearance they awaited. The Prophet, however, answered, 'O Salman, they are of the people of the Fire.' This grieved Salman deeply, and thus God sent down this verse concerning his companions and those alike.


وقال السدي : ( إن الذين آمنوا والذين هادوا والنصارى والصابئين من آمن بالله واليوم الآخر وعمل صالحا ) الآية : نزلت في أصحاب سلمان الفارسي ، بينا هو يحدث النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم إذ ذكر أصحابه ، فأخبره خبرهم ، فقال : كانوا يصومون ويصلون ويؤمنون بك ، ويشهدون أنك ستبعث نبيا ، فلما فرغ سلمان من ثنائه عليهم ، قال له نبي الله صلى الله عليه وسلم : يا سلمان ، هم من أهل النار . فاشتد ذلك على سلمان ، فأنزل الله هذه الآية ، .

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Regards

 

[Zico]

So, reading through my Quran the other day when I approached this verse:

Those who believe (in the Quran), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians- any who believes in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

(Al-Baqarah:62)

So what exactly does this verse mean?

It means what it means, its self-explainatroy. Don't worry Allah is speaking about the Christians that follow the way of Abraham (pbuh) that is to say God is one and eternal not a human being.

 

[Supreme]

such a verse is necessary to allow us to know that God is just to those righteous folks of old, again, answered before, I am at a loss as to why you don't read the responses given you and see fit to ask the same questions multiple times?!

Gossamer, it's mere banter! Why must you engage in such banter on every thread we both reply to?

islam (monotheism) is the religion since the beginning of time. the same God has revealed guidance for us, so whoever stuck to the true guidance he is sucessful.

god doesnt change his nature half way through human history, become 3 in 1 and murder himself so as to aquire the capacity to forgive sins. just accept it, your following the doctrines of men not jesus.

One cannot 'accept' something until it has been proven to them. I don't accept the existence of aliens, as of yet have no one has proven to me yet they exist. However, I would be all too happy to change my views and accept they existed if sufficient evidence was presented to me. The same applies to other religions, including Islam: I would all too happy to change my mind if sufficient evidence was presented to me, however by my own experiences and my own personal evidence I have discovered Christianity to be truth. Whether I hold such views temporarily or permanently, well only God knows. I regard other opinions and religions as hypothesis', not completely ruled out, but nevertheless my views as truth (obviously, or they wouldn't be my views).

It means what it means, its self-explainatroy. Don't worry Allah is speaking about the Christians that follow the way of Abraham (pbuh) that is to say God is one and eternal not a human being.

Thank you for this verse. I assume the same applies to Jews and Sabians (thus rendering calling them Jews and Sabians completely redundant as they are now Muslims, why not just call them Muslims and spare the extra words?)

the verse was revealed in reference to Salman the Persian(a convert to Islam) and his companions In Medina Salman met the Prophet. He told the Prophet about his former companions, who had occupied themselves with prayer and fasting and had had faith in the Prophet, whose appearance they awaited. The Prophet, however, answered, 'O Salman, they are of the people of the Fire.' This grieved Salman deeply, and thus God sent down this verse concerning his companions and those alike.

Thank you for this Hadith.

On christianforum i met a "Unitarian" christian" & she believed in Jesus as just a Prophet of GOD......

Oh yes on christianforums we have all sorts. Even pagans. Tonnes of them. I didn't even know paganism still existed until I joined those forums.

 

[جوري]

Gossamer, it's mere banter! Why must you engage in such banter on every thread we both reply to?

You should ask that of yourself especially when repeating the same question over when others have labored over a detailed reply!

One cannot 'accept' something until it has been proven to them. I don't accept the existence of aliens, as of yet have no one has proven to me yet they exist. However, I would be all too happy to change my views and accept they existed if sufficient evidence was presented to me. The same applies to other religions, including Islam: I would all too happy to change my mind if sufficient evidence was presented to me, however by my own experiences and my own personal evidence I have discovered Christianity to be truth. Whether I hold such views temporarily or permanently, well only God knows. I regard other opinions and religions as hypothesis', not completely ruled out, but nevertheless my views as truth (obviously, or they wouldn't be my views).

If christianity is the truth based on evidence, then you must have very low standards and by that token, I don't see how a verse that is explained to you in great details isn't satisfactory but a self-immolating god x 3 and a mother makes better logical sense.
I'd be happier to concede that, that is your belief based solely on faith, but pls don't come speak to me about proofs and discovery!

Thank you for this verse. I assume the same applies to Jews and Sabians (thus rendering calling them Jews and Sabians completely redundant as they are now Muslims, why not just call them Muslims and spare the extra words?)

the term Jew/ yehudi denotes 'man itaba3 alhouda' those who follow guidance, one can use that term interchangeably, Muslims are also man hada Allah, why don't you direct your grievances on the etymology and terminology used on the day of recompense? obviously the terms are used to point out a specific people in a specific period in time!
by no means does it denote today's ashkenazic Jews or European christians!

all the best

 

[Supreme]

You should ask that of yourself especially when repeating the same question over when others have labored over a detailed reply!

You're the one who appears antagonistic.

If christianity is the truth based on evidence, then you must have very low standards and by that token, I don't see how a verse that is explained to you in great details isn't satisfactory but a self-immolating god x 3 and a mother makes better logical sense.
I'd be happier to concede that, that is your belief based solely on faith, but pls don't come speak to me about proofs and discovery!

Empirical evidence and personal revelation. Although it is not evidence that can be shared to others bar testominies, it is sufficient for me personally and convincing enough of the truth for me. As I have previously stated, I am open minded, and if I believe something else to be the truth- if, for example, new scientific evidence was produced that dispelled evolution, or another religion appeared convincing enough for me as to become the truth in my eyes, I would happily change instantly.

I don't see how a verse that is explained to you in great details isn't satisfactory but a self-immolating god x 3 and a mother makes better logical sense.

As I've said, I have recieved a satisfactory explanation of the verse.

the term Jew/ yehudi denotes 'man itaba3 alhouda' those who follow guidance, one can use that term interchangeably, Muslims are also man hada Allah, why don't you direct your grievances on the etymology and terminology used on the day of recompense? obviously the terms are used to point out a specific people in a specific period in time!
by no means does it denote today's ashkenazic Jews or European christians!

Seeing as the verse no longer applies to today's people, would you agree that the verse itself is generally invalid to today's people? This is not my stance on the issue, I require your opinion only.

 

[جوري]

You're the one who appears antagonistic.

Not at all, I am just a native New Yorker, we are naturally hostile!

Empirical evidence and personal revelation. Although it is not evidence that can be shared to others bar testominies, it is sufficient for me personally and convincing enough of the truth for me. As I have previously stated, I am open minded, and if I believe something else to be the truth- if, for example, new scientific evidence was produced that dispelled evolution, or another religion appeared convincing enough for me as to become the truth in my eyes, I would happily change instantly.

empiricism is ignorant of scientific finds and inadmissible especially in a branch of philosophy/religion where the beliefs themselves lack remote logical relations to what the human mind can conceive!

As I've said, I have recieved a satisfactory explanation of the verse.

That is great!

Seeing as the verse no longer applies to today's people, would you agree that the verse itself is generally invalid to today's people? This is not my stance on the issue, I require your opinion only.

It is valid to those God deems believers, and it is sufficient for us to know that God is equitable and said people have existed!


all the best

 

[zakirs]

Seeing as the verse no longer applies to today's people, would you agree that the verse itself is generally invalid to today's people? This is not my stance on the issue, I require your opinion only.

Men Learn from history.

V peace

 

[Supreme]

Not at all, I am just a native New Yorker, we are naturally hostile!

Well why didn't you say so? Actually, when I went to New York, they were far kinder than here in London. People in reseraunts come up to you and ask you if you're enjoying your meal and police officers (a great deal of them Hispanic native Spanish speakers) say good morning to you.

empiricism is ignorant of scientific finds and inadmissible especially in a branch of philosophy/religion where the beliefs themselves lack remote logical relations to what the human mind can conceive!

Empiricism based on experience, which is essentially what it means. I judge it on my experience, finding no other alternatives but to deduce that my beliefs are true. Also, just because one human mind cannot concieve something, do not make the mistake other human minds can't. I remember last year when we were doing a chemistry unit on titration calculations, my friend found it completely unfathomable. I dunno, I've always thanked my naturally good understanding on topics. You'd have to go far to produce something I can't concieve.

It is valid to those God deems believers, and it is sufficient for us to know that God is equitable and said people have existed!

Thank you, this is what I wanted to know.

 

[hanif_]

Explain this Quranic verse 3:85

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3:85 (Y. Ali) If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah., never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good).

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Tafsir al-Jalalayn


The following was revealed regarding those who apostatized and became disbelievers: Whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him and in the Hereafter he shall be among the losers, because he will end up in the Fire, made everlasting for him.

This verse is considered a al-Nasikh wal-Mansoukh" (the Abrogator and the Abrogated) and revealed in Medina.

The following ahadiths illuminate the ayah

Sahih Muslim Hadith No. 240
Sahih Al-Bukhari vol 1 Hadith No 50 and 87
Sahih Al-Bukhari vol 1 Hadith No 47

Can someone post Dr. Muhammad Taqi-ud-Din Al-Hilali and
Ph.D. Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan english commentary from Noble Qur'an on this ayah? It provides in-depth insight with Sunnah on background of this ayah.
Insha Allah

Understanding the historical background and when a ayah was revealed and if it was abrogated provides a better understanding when,why and what an ayah (verse) in the Holy Quran was revealed.
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[thetruth2009]

So, reading through my Quran the other day when I approached this verse:

Those who believe (in the Quran), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians- any who believes in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

(Al-Baqarah:62)


Assalam aleykoum sisters and brothers,

What I notice into the verse 62 of the Surah 2, its the Word put into brackets ( In the Quran ) does not exist in the Arabic.

In arabic its people who beleive nothing to do with believe ( in the quran )



Can somebody tell me if its correct or not ?


Assalam aleykoum sisters and brothers.

If Allah SWT wants to say people who beleive to the Quran, he will tell it

 

[hanif_]

Explain this Quranic verse 3:85 Tafsir by Ibn Kathir

The Religion with Allah is Islam Tafsir by Ibn Kathir on 3:85


Allah said,
[إِنَّ الدِّينَ عِندَ اللَّهِ الإِسْلَـمُ]
(Truly, the religion with Allah is Islam.) Allah states that there is no religion accepted with Him from any person, except Islam. Islam includes obeying all of the Messengers until Muhammad who finalized their commission, thus closing all paths to Allah except through Muhammad . Therefore, after Allah sent Muhammad , whoever meets Allah following a path other than Muhammad's, it will not be accepted of him. In another Ayah, Allah said,
[وَمَن يَبْتَغِ غَيْرَ الإِسْلَـمِ دِينًا فَلَن يُقْبَلَ مِنْهُ]
(And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him) [3:85].
In this Ayah [3:19], Allah said, asserting that the only religion accepted with Him is Islam,
[إِنَّ الدِّينَ عِندَ اللَّهِ الإِسْلَـمُ]
(Truly, the religion with Allah is Islam.)
Allah then states that those who were given the Scripture beforehand divided in the religion after Allah sent the Messengers and revealed the Books to them providing them the necessary proofs to not do so. Allah said,
[وَمَا اخْتَلَفَ الَّذِينَ أُوتُواْ الْكِتَـبَ إِلاَّ مِن بَعْدِ مَا جَآءَهُمُ الْعِلْمُ بَغْيًا بَيْنَهُمْ]
(Those who were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians) did not differ except out of rivalry, after knowledge had come to them.) meaning, some of them wronged others. Therefore, they differed over the truth, out of envy, hatred and enmity for each other. This hatred made some of them defy those whom they hated even if they were correct. Allah then said,
[وَمَن يَكْفُرْ بِآيَـتِ اللَّهِ]
(And whoever disbelieves in the Ayat of Allah) meaning, whoever rejects what Allah sent down in His Book,
[فَإِنَّ اللَّهِ سَرِيعُ الْحِسَابِ]
(then surely, Allah is Swift in reckoning.) Allah will punish him for his rejection, reckon him for his denial, and torment him for defying His Book. Thereafter, Allah said.
[فَإنْ حَآجُّوكَ]
(So if they dispute with you (Muhammad )) so if they argue with you about Tawhid,
[فَقُلْ أَسْلَمْتُ وَجْهِىَ للَّهِ وَمَنِ اتَّبَعَنِ]
(Say: "I have submitted myself to Allah (in Islam), and (so have) those who follow me'') meaning, Say, `I have made my worship sincere for Allah Alone without partners, rivals, offspring or companion,
[وَمَنِ اتَّبَعَنِ]
(and those who follow me) who followed my religion and embraced my creed.' In another Ayah, Allah said,
[قُلْ هَـذِهِ سَبِيلِى أَدْعُو إِلَى اللَّهِ عَلَى بَصِيرَةٍ أَنَاْ وَمَنِ اتَّبَعَنِى]
(Say (O Muhammad ): "This is my way; I invite unto Allah with sure knowledge, I and whosoever follows me...'') [12:108].