Explaining the Marriage of Ayesha R.A.

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Ummm, it's actually YOU who is the troll. You are always the one trolling my posts, not me trolling your posts. It is YOU who in your conceited selfrighteous leftist arrogance claiming that my daughters are being married at "unacceptable prepubescent ages", NOT me. YOU might regard it as "unacceptable", but most certainly me and my daughters don't regard it that way, and also, under Islam it is HALAL as well. A man's house is his castle, and I as a staunch staunch parental sovereigntist will raise my own offspring however I deem fit, NOT you. It is NOT your business to lecture me how I should or shouldn't raise my OWN offspring, just as YOUR offspring are 100% none of my business either. I couldn't care less what you do with them because you and them are absolutely nothing to do with me.

Explain to me how it is Halal in Islam to do this. My understanding is that even back in the days, child marriage was very rare and generally frowned upon. There is a Quranic command (4:59) to abide by the laws of the land you are currently living in, providing that they don't require you to commit a sin. So, if you live in a country where there is a law that says "no marriage under the age of XX" and you disobey that law, then you are NOT following Islam.
 
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Explain to me how it is Halal in Islam to do this.

Because there is nothing in the Quran that actually forbids it. What is not explicitly forbidden is therefore HALAL.

My understanding is that even back in the days, child marriage was very rare and generally frowned upon.

You are "understanding" incorrectly, probably because you are seeing it from a propagandized modern Western Cultural Marxist perspective, rather than a genuinely historical one free of the attitudinal baggage of modern day Totalitaria. There is no evidence to also show that "child marriage" was "generally" frowned upon in the past. There no doubt may have been some who frowned upon it, in just the same way that anything else imaginable in existence might have been frowned upon by some to some degree or other at any point in history. I think that if we look at the phrase "child marriage", while it has become a loaded cliché in these modern times (to which feminists have a complete meltdown over every time they hear of its occurrence), it would however not have been something even conceptualized by most people of the past. It would have been seen first and foremost simply as a marriage per se, and whether or not there may have been a child in any given marriage would have been seen by most as something pretty well irrelevant, in much the same way as "child chess player" doesn't really hold any negatively loaded connotation today. Most people just think "Well, he's a chess player... so what?"

I think any historian who is being truly honest without allowing any modern day negative sensibilities and biases to influence him would admit that it would be drawing a very long bow to assert that "child marriage" would have been "frowned upon by most" in past times. But rather it would have been a quite small minority who would have not felt positive or at least indifferent about the idea of child marriage. And if you want to go into all the history about it, you will find that child marriage wasn't "very rare" at all. It was, in fact, quite common, and even very common to the extent that it was more the norm in some civilizations.


There is a Quranic command (4:59) to abide by the laws of the land you are currently living in, providing that they don't require you to commit a sin. So, if you live in a country where there is a law that says "no marriage under the age of XX" and you disobey that law, then you are NOT following Islam.

Believe it or not, I would have to agree with that actually. Often I have myself reminded Muslims that they should not reside in any kuffar countries because to live with the kuffar is itself against Islamic teachings. Note well that I did say previously that anything illegal in kuffar lands I will refrain from. This is why I said that I will only allow my daughters to marry in a jurisdiction where their marriage is not actually illegal. So yes, do in Rome as the Romans do, but while outside of Rome (and therefore outside of Roman jurisdiction), do whatever the other jurisdictions allow.
 
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Karl my friend.
I have said so.
If you want to live according to Quran,all well and fine.
But do not misquote Islam.
Marriage of an immature boy or girl is only allowed WHEN IT SERVES A REAL INTEREST FOR THEM.
I have explained this in the original post with evidences.
I have provided evidences and that is it.
 
Karl my friend.
I have said so.
If you want to live according to Quran,all well and fine.
But do not misquote Islam.
Marriage of an immature boy or girl is only allowed WHEN IT SERVES A REAL INTEREST FOR THEM.
I have explained this in the original post with evidences.
I have provided evidences and that is it.

Which is why (at least in my particular case) it is perfectly ok. All my offspring who I have had marry off during prepubescence actually were in agreement with my wishes anyway. If they are in agreement then the marriages therefore serve their interests!
 
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Believe it or not, I would have to agree with that actually. Often I have myself reminded Muslims that they should not reside in any kuffar countries because to live with the kuffar is itself against Islamic teachings. Note well that I did say previously that anything illegal in kuffar lands I will refrain from. This is why I said that I will only allow my daughters to marry in a jurisdiction where their marriage is not actually illegal. So yes, do in Rome as the Romans do, but while outside of Rome (and therefore outside of Roman jurisdiction), do whatever the other jurisdictions allow.

I am very curious to know where you are living because as far as I know, there are only 6 countries in the world where there are no legal restrictions on a minimum age for marriage (and therefore, where you could technically have your unfortunate 6 and 7 year old daughters married): South Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Equatorial Guinea, Gambia, Somalia and Yemen.

Also, I wonder, have you found great men of YOUR race to marry them with and ensure a PURE genetic lineage uncontaminated by "evil feminist/Marxist/Zionist/leftist" genes?
 
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I am very curious to know where you are living because as far as I know, there are only 6 countries in the world where there are no legal restrictions on a minimum age for marriage (and therefore, where you could technically have your unfortunate 6 and 7 year old daughters married): South Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Equatorial Guinea, Gambia, Somalia and Yemen.

Actually, it's personal information which is none of your business. But I will say that where I myself live, it's not actually "legal", so naturally my daughters and their husbands have to go and live in jurisdictions where it IS legal. I won't tell you where that is though. It is in some ways unfortunate as I would like to have my daughters closer, but that's what you get in a modern Orwellian world. Why you continue to describe my daughters as "unfortunate" is baffling, given that I have already told you that they themselves are also happy about their marriages.

Also, I wonder, have you found great men of YOUR race to marry them with and ensure a PURE genetic lineage uncontaminated by "evil feminist/Marxist/Zionist/leftist" genes?

Of course. Their husbands of course are of our own race.
 
It is in some ways unfortunate as I would like to have my daughters closer, but that's what you get in a modern Orwellian world. Why you continue to describe my daughters as "unfortunate" is baffling, given that I have already told you that they themselves are also happy about their marriages.

How do you know that your daughters aren't being abused if you aren't even there for them?
 
How do you know that your daughters aren't being abused if you aren't even there for them?

Wives can be mistreated no matter their age, so there would be no good reason to conclude that my daughters would be less likely to be mistreated if they were hypothetically older. Furthermore, there seems to be this widespread misconception that whenever there is mistreatment by a spouse that the wife is always the "victim", but there has been plenty of evidence to show that sometimes it's the other way round, and that it is the wife who mistreats her husband. This does happen, particularly to emasculated cowardly type of husbands who put up with their nagging misandrous wives browbeating them all day.

Anyway to answer you question, me and my daughters are in regular contact, usually daily, so I know they are happy. Furthermore, we can also visit each other from time to time as well so it's not that I've become completely cut off from them. I know my sons in law well and I know they are kind good caring husbands who would never do anything to hurt my daughters.
 
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Wives can be mistreated no matter their age, so there would be no good reason to conclude that my daughters would be less likely to be mistreated if they were hypothetically older. Furthermore, there seems to be this widespread misconception that whenever there is mistreatment by a spouse that the wife is always the "victim", but there has been plenty of evidence to show that sometimes it's the other way round, and that it is the wife who mistreats her husband. This does happen, particularly to emasculated cowardly type of husbands who put up with their nagging misandrous wives browbeating them all day.

Anyway to answer you question, me and my daughters are in regular contact, usually daily, so I know they are happy. Furthermore, we can also visit each other from time to time as well so it's not that I've become completely cut off from them. I know my sons in law well and I know they are kind good caring husbands who would never do anything to hurt my daughters.

A child that barely knows how to read, add or subtract is MUCH more likely to be abused and to not even be fully conscious of her situation. Heck, she wouldn't even know that she is being abused! Furthermore, if one of your daughters were to be seriously maltreated, she would have NO recourse... she wouldn't know what to do or how to talk about it and with whom. Kids are easy to manipulate and brainwash. They are particularly vulnerable as they are not fully developed, physically and mentally. DUH!!! (No offense but you must not be fully developed neither based on your reasoning skills).

About the bit on the wives abusing their husbands, I don't see your 6 or 7 year-old daughters abusing their husbands anytime soon :facepalm:, but I find it exceptionally weird that grown-up men would want to marry little girls... what for? To play dolls? "Emasculated cowardly type of husbands" (to use your expression) would be the type of perverted emasculated guys I would see marrying little girls because they wouldn't be able to handle a grown-up woman who doesn't take their BS.

And what kind of education are your daughters getting? They will grow up being ignorant, uneducated, dull, and unable to care for themselves should their husbands ever divorce them... and it will be your fault for putting them in such a vulnerable position. What a great temporary father you have been for your kids that you have abandoned so young! :facepalm: Now my brain is weeping since it is in a state of utter shock at the thought of what you are doing to your daughters:Emoji17:

Note: I really want to do this to my head right now: :hiding: Shame on you.
 
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fromelsewhere, please avoid taking threads off-topic. This thread is not for personal interviews.

In order to encourage us to prepare for Ramadhan and avoid unnecessary debate, I will close this thread. There are plenty of others on this topic if people wish to find out more In-sha-Allah.
 
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