Extraterrestrials

[Dirt 101]

Aliens, it was, we were talking about...

'Alien', to me, means something strange, different, unusual, other, unfamiliar. Sure, there are movies showing the aliens
with a weirdly shaped head or cat-like eyes or a blue suntan, or something. But how about something really, 'different'?

How about this?

When the aliens from some space arrive, how about they say that they have come here because of their understanding and
compassion, and that there is so much more people need to know or, be gently reminded about, and that over ages, this happens again and again... Like that we humans are extremely rare and unique beings, and an integral part of all of life, are of this planet and universe, and nothing like people or any of this exists for millions and millions and billions of miles or kilometers anywhere, and it is real and not a dream. And here we all are, together, for a short time, like travelers on a journey.
And that the human mind is vast, both in understanding as well as misunderstanding, but the possibilities are huge... because all people have to do is honestly decide if they want the experience unique to peace which is... the experience of that god which dwells within, and seen in the form of pure and perfect light, to become a reality in their lives or not, so that they can most greatly enjoy this brief gift of life-time they are given... the finest, rarest gift anyone could ever imagine; a gift to understand and feel the gift of life and joy, and the beauty and the feeling of it inside, dancing, appreciating and loving it... And getting to work on solving the problems we have made in our rush!

That's one thing an alien might say to us all.

 

[جوري]

to serve man à la King...

 

[Jalal~]

the imam might ask about their belief, in God, in angels, etc. whether prophets came to them, whether books were revealed, etc.

but im pretty sure that would be of no use to us anyways right? i mean, its not like we are going to study whatever they believe in anyways. or should we?

 

[ardianto]

When I was kid I had an interest to extraterrestrial. I collect books about proofs of extraterrestrial presence on earth that written by Erich von Daniken. I also read several articles that written by Carl Sagan. That have been translated into Indonesian language, of course.

But later, when I started to learn history, and little knowledge of anthropology and archeology, I thought it's better if I 'throw out' hypothesis from Von Daniken, and find a proof of ET by myself.

However, I see some (or maybe many) scientists believe if ET had visited earth and made interaction with human in the past. In example, some scientists believe if similarity in some arts in ancient South America and ancient India is a proof if ET had visited those places and taught some arts. Also in a book about Hindu mythology, the author wrote, Indra, the God of War had laser gun.

 

[Dirt 101]

Shall we study what aliens believe?

One thing... people are really excited about the whole space-thing. There is the international station orbiting and
the Hubble telescope and all of it. Now people are looking for other planets out there which may be able to support life of some kind.
I wonder if some of that interest is trying to find a planet where humans could move to? I think it's a bit premature, but that's how it is. Wouldn't it be 'nice' to have a fresh, clean, unspoiled world to move to? Kind of like moving to a new apartment
with fresh paint and new appliances.

I don't think it is realized that the life which may develop on any world is totally unique and an integral part of whatever system that life is a part of. And I mean the entire system! Life on earth is totally influenced by, for example, the sun. That is obvious.
But life here has also been formed by everything from nasty volcanic gases to the stardust which falls when meteorites burn in the atmosphere. It is also influenced by the planets, and certainly the moon, which affects tides in water and the earth. There are subtle influences as well. It is all about... location, location, location. It is like the difference between our land-dwelling and water-dwelling beings here on earth.
You can't jerk one organism out of it's natural place and jam it into some other place where it has no relation/integration.
If people would be able to set foot on another world, before long that total system's influences would transform people,
very gradually, into an upgraded system. Do we recall our ancestor's life up in the trees or in the jungle? No. But we were there, at one time, long ago, and that experience is... has become, us, as we are today.

Instead of people travelling into space so human life may continue,( a very ego-driven desire), it would be better to send something very basic, like seeds or DNA/RNA or bacteria or cockroaches (radiation-resistant!),
which could stand the trip, lasting dozens and dozens or more years, through hazardous radiation or whatever.
If the seeds land somewhere with the correct, basic conditions, and there are niches where new life could flourish and develop, perhaps the seeds would grow, develop, and over time, mutate again and again, transforming the basic building blocks into whatever the total environment allows or encourages or demands organisms to become in that situation. And this is a process that would take repeated 'seedings' and, for the evolutionary process to unfold, probably some several tens of thousands of years to show some results.
Not quite like planting carrots in your little garden out back!

 

[Who Am I?]

I think that in all of the vastness of the universe, it would be almost impossible that this is the only planet with life on it. It is rather arrogant for us to assume so anyway. We don't know what other worlds Allah has created.

The Qu'ran doesn't really tell us that, from what I have read of it. It doesn't say for sure that this is the only planet with life, so I believe there are aliens out there somewhere.

 

[ardianto]

Shall we study what aliens believe?

One thing... people are really excited about the whole space-thing. There is the international station orbiting and
the Hubble telescope and all of it. Now people are looking for other planets out there which may be able to support life of some kind.
I wonder if some of that interest is trying to find a planet where humans could move to? I think it's a bit premature, but that's how it is. Wouldn't it be 'nice' to have a fresh, clean, unspoiled world to move to? Kind of like moving to a new apartment
with fresh paint and new appliances.

I don't think it is realized that the life which may develop on any world is totally unique and an integral part of whatever system that life is a part of. And I mean the entire system! Life on earth is totally influenced by, for example, the sun. That is obvious.
But life here has also been formed by everything from nasty volcanic gases to the stardust which falls when meteorites burn in the atmosphere. It is also influenced by the planets, and certainly the moon, which affects tides in water and the earth. There are subtle influences as well. It is all about... location, location, location. It is like the difference between our land-dwelling and water-dwelling beings here on earth.
You can't jerk one organism out of it's natural place and jam it into some other place where it has no relation/integration.
If people would be able to set foot on another world, before long that total system's influences would transform people,
very gradually, into an upgraded system. Do we recall our ancestor's life up in the trees or in the jungle? No. But we were there, at one time, long ago, and that experience is... has become, us, as we are today.

Instead of people travelling into space so human life may continue,( a very ego-driven desire), it would be better to send something very basic, like seeds or DNA/RNA or bacteria or cockroaches (radiation-resistant!),
which could stand the trip, lasting dozens and dozens or more years, through hazardous radiation or whatever.
If the seeds land somewhere with the correct, basic conditions, and there are niches where new life could flourish and develop, perhaps the seeds would grow, develop, and over time, mutate again and again, transforming the basic building blocks into whatever the total environment allows or encourages or demands organisms to become in that situation. And this is a process that would take repeated 'seedings' and, for the evolutionary process to unfold, probably some several tens of thousands of years to show some results.
Not quite like planting carrots in your little garden out back!

Don't you know how difficult to find a planet like that ?. Many planets are consist of rocks, or metal, or even gas. Without soil, without water, without air. Many planet are too close or too far from its star. If you can find one from million planets, where that seeds can grow, you are lucky.

 

[Dirt 101]

I don't think aliens will believe, because seeing first and then believing is how it should be,
and not the other way around. I would think they would have that
worked out... seeing as how they are advanced beings.

When I see one, then I'll believe in extraterrestrial life.

 

[ardianto]

Universe is extremely big. No one can count how many stars and planets in the universe.

Maybe extraterrestrials are exist in some places, but I am not sure we would meet them in this life.

 

[Ramadhan]

I think that in all of the vastness of the universe, it would be almost impossible that this is the only planet with life on it. It is rather arrogant for us to assume so anyway. We don't know what other worlds Allah has created. The Qu'ran doesn't really tell us that, from what I have read of it. It doesn't say for sure that this is the only planet with life, so I believe there are aliens out there somewhere.

Actually, the Qur'an give some hints, among others:

"Among His (God's) signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the living creatures that He has scattered through them : and He has power to gather them together when He wills. (QS. 42:29)

note that when the expression "heavens and earth" (samawaat wal ard) used together in the qur'an, that means "the whole universe"
heaven does not mean paradise, but means everything above us (samawaat).

Also:

"Not one of the beings in the heavens and the earth but must come to (God) Most Gracious as a servant. He does take an account of them (all), and hath numbered them (all) exactly. And everyone of them will come to Him singly on the Day of Judgement. On those who believe and work deeds of righteousness, will (God) Most Gracious bestow love" (QS: 19:93-96).

Allahu alam.

 

[Dirt 101]

I DO realize how difficult and what a chance to find a planet which is 'just right'.
The odds are probably greater than a million-to-one, as it was said.
After all, astronomers and astrophysicists write that more stars exist in the universe than all the grains of sand
on all of the beaches in this world. And for each star, the potential for any number of planets.

That is precisely the reason why we must all begin to, somehow, have some recognition of this planet, our home, and the only one we know where anything like this is happening. Some recognition of ourselves would be nice, too.
Recognition, respect, appreciation. These are some of the powers we possess as human beings.
But, who are we? Who are we, really? Sometimes, we are aliens to ourselves...

This is all so awesome to look upon and to contemplate. Who cannot be in awe of this 'big blue marble' just hanging out here in
the middle of nowhere, hanging in the blackness and coldness of space... with a fantastic light show! Lightning in the clouds and the moon doing it's thing night-by-night and month-by-month... and doing it perfectly. Just look at the beautiful blue of the beautiful blue sky. It's blue for whatever the reason, and the sun probably doesn't even know we exist down here.

The next time you see a sunset, look at that sunset. Just look at that sunset and appreciate, not just the sunset
and the beautiful, changing colors and clouds, but look at who is looking at that sunset. Feel your breath come in and feel
that you are alive, and really, really appreciate. That is beyond any perfection we can even imagine.

We can think and speculate about alien extraterrestrial life, no problem. They may be out there. I don't know.
What I do know, and what is important, is that I'm right here, right now. I also know I won't be here forever.
My awareness of this breath in this moment... the perfect rhythm of it, the joy in it, the peacefulness of it, that is the height of such awesome and total perfection of this entire one-ness, we can't even comprehend.
All we can do is be humble and be thankful. There aren't even words for it.

 

[Who Am I?]

Actually, the Qur'an give some hints, among others:

"Among His (God's) signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the living creatures that He has scattered through them : and He has power to gather them together when He wills. (QS. 42:29)

note that when the expression "heavens and earth" (samawaat wal ard) used together in the qur'an, that means "the whole universe"
heaven does not mean paradise, but means everything above us (samawaat).

Also:

"Not one of the beings in the heavens and the earth but must come to (God) Most Gracious as a servant. He does take an account of them (all), and hath numbered them (all) exactly. And everyone of them will come to Him singly on the Day of Judgement. On those who believe and work deeds of righteousness, will (God) Most Gracious bestow love" (QS: 19:93-96).

Allahu alam.

I stand corrected then. Thanks for the information. I will have to read those surahs myself.

Maybe even in Arabic, one day.