Fall of the American Empire - Inevitable?

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Cause of DEATH: GREED

These pictures will help you to visualize the current Debts and Liabilities of the United States.

What $15 Trillion Looks Like (U.S. Debt as of Oct 2nd 2011 = $14.78 Trillion)
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What $115 Trillion Looks Like (U.S. Unfunded Liabilities as of Oct 2nd 2011 = $115.78 Trillion)
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http://usdebt.kleptocracy.us/
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
 
No. Not greed. It won't be the downfall of the American Empire. Stagnation will be. What matters for the survivability of an empire is not whether it has problems. All countries run into problems from time to time. What matters is whether it can deal with them, and adapt if necessary.

The recent debacle of the debt ceiling (manufactured) crisis, and the attempted healthcare reform two years before it, quite strongly indicate that it cannot. Both were opportunities to fix something inherently dysfunctional. In both cases, deliberate obstructionism by dogmatic, inflexible, uncompromising Republicans led to a solution that may have made some cosmetic changes, but mostly just led to more money being thrown into the meatgrinder. The reason why they could do it? The power of stupid, of stupid people believing in simple explanations of complex realities, and in simple solutions to complex problems. People for whom American exceptionalism is axiomatic, who delude themselves to believe they are living in a shining city on a hill, shooting those who disagree, the very people who are trying to save it from sinking into the mud.
 
American economic and financial system is the most highly leveraged in the world.... by far. They sell derivatives on derivatives. Meaning they sell debt papers on the basis of their own debt papers.

No matter how good they are in playing the numbers, sooner or later it will implode.

And hence Allah SWT in the Qur'an strictly forbide riba, the source of all those.
 
This is what they get for creating a kufar system. And invading, iraq and afghanistan. I hope people are now realizing there that these wars are useless and only a rampage for their economy which will crash soon or later, just like the EU one. Then we've entered phase 3
 
This is what they get for creating a kufar system. And invading, iraq and afghanistan. I hope people are now realizing there that these wars are useless and only a rampage for their economy which will crash soon or later, just like the EU one. Then we've entered phase 3

The people who suffer most from wars aren't warlords, they in fact make the most financial gain, live paradisaical lives, press buttons to snuff out lives.. In fact it is the average man that suffers, and it is the average man that's mobilized to find a scapegoat to vent its anger.. The warlords give them that which to feed on.. and for the moment I fear Muslims are it. Be that as it may, when you find a man with two masters from Dartmouth homeless on the streets.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/10/maurice-johnson-homeless_n_922800.html

you realize just the depth of despair.
It won't be dick Cheney on the street, or bush or others of their ilk albeit they possess the intelligence of a dying monkey. It's people like you & me educated to the nth degree & yet struggle to make ends meet and helpless to do anything about it!

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The people who suffer most from wars aren't warlords, they in fact make the most financial gain, live paradisaical lives, press buttons to snuff out lives.. In fact it is the average man that suffers, and it is the average man that's mobilized to find a scapegoat to vent its anger.. The warlords give them that which to feed on.. and for the moment I fear Muslims are it. Be that as it may, when you find a man with two masters from Dartmouth homeless on the streets.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/10/maurice-johnson-homeless_n_922800.html

you realize just the depth of despair.
It won't be dick Cheney on the street, or bush or others of their ilk albeit they possess the intelligence of a dying monkey. It's people like you & me educated to the nth degree & yet struggle to make ends meet and helpless to do anything about it!

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Watch this with me, It is the exit speech of Eisenhower on Jan.17,1961.
Not something you'll ever see re-broadcasted on national tv.


 


The people who suffer most from wars aren't warlords, they in fact make the most financial gain, live paradisaical lives, press buttons to snuff out lives..

Yes, right again! The oil companies and firms like Cheney's made record profits while the average person suffered. I heard that stacks of freshly printed US dollars just disappeared in Iraq...most likely went to so called contractors instead of helping the people there rebuild.
 
Fall of the American empire, and the rest of the dominoes follow, it won't be long now before the new world order is implemented, may Allah protect us from the impending destruction of many.
 
Yes, right again! The oil companies and firms like Cheney's made record profits while the average person suffered. I heard that stacks of freshly printed US dollars just disappeared in Iraq...most likely went to so called contractors instead of helping the people there rebuild.

I wonder where these $2.3Trillion also went?
 
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The simple truth is that yes, the American Empire will fall. Every empire in human history that has ever existed has fallen. Don't think that the USA is exempt from this (as much as we like to think that we are).

Compare Rome in its last days to the USA now and you will see a LOT of parallels. Socially, economically, politically... we are Rome and Rome was us.

Make no mistake, the USA is a dying empire. It may still take a few decades for it to finally fall, but fall it will, and perhaps even in our lifetimes. Walter Cronkite has just told us that the War in Vietnam is now unwinnable. The fat lady is warming up backstage. The oven timer is about to go off.

The USA will fall just as every other nation has.
 
This topic reminded me of something I heard Hamza Yusuf say in a lecture, where he quoted (I think) the historian Arnold Toynbee... He said that, "when the elite become vulgarized, it's a sign you're on your way out...", and I don't think anyone would question the idea that our elite here have become increasingly more vulgar within the last few decades...

So yeah, I don't think the question was ever if America would fall, but when it would fall... And I definitely think we're close to being on our way out. :p:
 
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Then the global corporates will move to israel, their last stage. That's phase 3.
 
This topic reminded me of something I heard Hamza Yusuf say in a lecture, where he quoted (I think) the historian Arnold Toynbee... He said that, "when the elite become vulgarized, it's a sign you're on your way out...", and I don't think anyone would question the idea that our elite here have become increasingly more vulgar within the last few decades...

So yeah, I don't think the question was ever if America would fall, but when it would fall... And I definitely think we're close to being on our way out. :p:

Indeed, I think that the final fall may even happen in our lifetime.
 
I'd be honestly surprised if it didn't happen in our lifetime. I'd give it 10 to 20 years.

If the US is lucky, it will "merely" stagnate while everyone else surpasses it in development and GDP.
 
I'd be honestly surprised if it didn't happen in our lifetime. I'd give it 10 to 20 years.

If the US is lucky, it will "merely" stagnate while everyone else surpasses it in development and GDP.

Well we have already fallen behind in the state of our educational system. It's just a matter of time before everything else comes crashing down.
 
America and europe will fall like dominoes. The worst case scenarios are muslims like myself living in the west, we will be targetted by the kuffar, when the lands become lawless and there is a power vacumn, we need to educate ourselves and our children and then migrate to lands preferably muslim lands and apply our skills and education. Or we could stay and take it on the chin, and the only justifiable reason for a muslim to live in kuffar lands is by giving dawah and hope to Allah europe becomes muslim sooner than later.

Like someone mentioned the filthy zionist elite will move to israel, and not that pathetic little excuse of a country they call israel. By israel i mean most of the middle east under jew control.
 
In December 2004,
A report by the National Intelligence Council (NIC) state a possible scenario that by 2020 a “New Caliphate" would have been established.
This 123-page report titled "Mapping the Global Future" was aimed to prepare the next Bush administration for future challenges,
and was presented to the US President, members of Congress, cabinet members and key officials involved in policymaking.
According to CSIS (Center for Strategic and International Studies), a Washington based think tank, this report was not a prediction,
but a case exercise/study which involves observing the various events taking place in the world.
These events are then connected in such a way that there might be a possibility of forming of a Caliphate state.
Given that such a state may be established, then it is to be decided from today as to what needs to be done to prevent it, if it needs to be prevented.

Moreover there are two organizations which did such a study,

one is the CIA and the other is ............................. Shell Oil Company
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NoblemuslimUK u did hit the nail right there now. I said that to, and it's a big scenario that would happen. Also said by shaykh Imran N Hossein.
 

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