Father found guilty in honor killing

[Ahmed_Asad]

well said!

 

[- Qatada -]

Aa'ishah reported that a girl came to her and said, "My father married me to his brother's son in order to raise his social standing, and I did not want this marriage [I was forced into it]." ?Aa'ishah said, "Sit here until the Prophet​

(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) comes. ​

The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) came and she told him about the girl. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) sent for her father, then he gave the girl the choice of what to do. She said, "O Messenger of Allaah, I have accepted what my father did, but I wanted to prove something to other women." (Reported by al-Nisaa'i, 3217).


http://muslim-responses.com/Forced_...rced_Marriages_


The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: "Shall I not guide you to the most excellent sadaqah (charity)? It is to provide for your daughter when she is sent back to you and has no one but you to provide for her."

[Tirmidhi, Ibn Majah transmitted it.]

​

 

[England]

Muslims live under non-muslim law and can't even have it's own law to govern personal matters. yet non-Muslims living in Muslim lands today (not even shariah based rule) and yet they have been given the freedom to have their own laws for personal lives like weddings, burials, and eveything else other than the common country laws. So much as that even saudi where religious police tells muslim women to cover up doesn't say much to non-muslims who walk in the street without covering up.

Oh poor you but we're speaking of executions, being put to death for virtually nothing at all. This country is the same when it comes to "special treatment." You've heard of political correctness in order not to offend muslims haven't you?

 

[MTAFFI]

So out of the how many million Muslims there is some who culturally do this, look at the figures, more than 25, OVER THE PAST DECADE, and there are more being looked at. Now, although one is bad enough, and I do agree it is, someone then using these figures to say 'this sort of behavior is exactly why Muslims in the UK are getting the reputation they have' that's just stupid, am sorry but it is, did even half of the over One Million Muslims commit such acts? Even a quater? Wanna give people reputation according to acts which a minority in the group might do which is not even part of the group's system, ok, if someone said 'seriously, Christians need to stop being so homosexual, I mean priests and so forth, this is an abomination, this is why you christians will get the homosexual reputation!'

It wouldn't be fair.

I suppose I should clarify this a bit, I apologize for the miscommunication, I was pretty disgusted when I read it. When I say "This is why Muslims are getting the reputation in England", I was meaning that when a Muslim does this and it gets the media coverage that it is obviously going to have an effect on non-muslims who are not exactly used to the term "honor killing", whether it is Islamic or not it is an act that apparently gets carried out in the mid east. (Although I have to admit, out of pure ignorance and the way this article is reported, I thought this was something that could be sanctioned by Muslims. As stated above I guess it can be carried out but only through the proper channels and not actually by family members) So basically I am not saying that this is an islamic act or one that should be portrayed by the media as islamic, however it is put in the public eye in this manner, and whether or not it is the minority, people will see this and it will hurt the Muslim community as a whole, just like you mentioned about the preists.

 

[Bittersteel]

http://islamtoday.net/english/show_detail_section.cfm?q_id=154&main_cat_id=6
there are other laws for pre-marital sex,adultery(four witnesses required,etc).

Due to part in rise of islamic fundamentalism? what load of crap!

you can hardly blame them.if the father used religious rhetoric to justify his actions it will appear as "Islamic fundamentalism".and such killings have happened a lot.
Muslims should know and accept somethings before they enter a Non-Muslim nation.Like they could be cheated and dumped by their spouses or their children could become liberalized and stray away from the path of religion.and honour killings have occurred all over Europe.Mostly by Muslims,who I am sure have emigrated from poor rural areas in underdeveloped Muslim nations.

So basically I am not saying that this is an islamic act or one that should be portrayed by the media as islamic, however it is put in the public eye in this manner,

true.whether or not an Islamic act it still happens and Muslim men and women are both victims of it.Honour killings should be stopped and if religious leaders in Muslim countries start voicing a lot against this it will help a lot.

So much as that even saudi where religious police tells muslim women to cover up doesn't say much to non-muslims who walk in the street without covering up.

doesn't the sharia apply to Muslims only?But I wouldn't mind if the NMs are told to dress conservatively,though.I thought those police did ,as according to a female USAF officer who was based in KSA.

 

[- Qatada -]

MTAFFI, if we speak out against it - take now for example - is the media going to show it? No they're not. Infact, if it's something from the Middle East or India, that doesn't always mean it's something Islamic. The same way everything from the west isn't always Christian.


It's really ironic that the article starts off with the murder, then it says that its 'home to 1.8million muslims' - why do they need to say that at all in the article? Would it make a difference? Or maybe they're just doing it to really cause hatred against Islaam? It did a good job of making you and even other non muslims feel that way.


Don't you know that this is a practise of the pre-islamic period? I.e. How about the millions of female infants which are killed in India, how come that isn't shown on the news?


It's totally biased and pure propaganda, what the guy did is bad. Infact, he went totally against Islamic teachings by taking the law into his own hands, he even forced her to drink brandy right? Who said we're allowed to have alcohol in Islaam? It's totally prohibited. So is this guy even a practising Muslim if he's going against it's teachings?

If he did something like that, and he's not practising Islaam well - then how are we to say that this act which he's done is Islamic at all?

 

[islamirama]

Oh poor you but we're speaking of executions, being put to death for virtually nothing at all. This country is the same when it comes to "special treatment." You've heard of political correctness in order not to offend muslims haven't you?

In case you missed it, i was talking about rights. And since you couldn't decipher from that passage let me spell it out in clear terms for you. Muslim shariah laws applie to Muslims only whether you are in Muslim land or your land adopts shariah law. This is about religious and personal matters, but if you steal or kill then the law of the land naturally applies to all who reside in it.

 

[Umar001]

I suppose I should clarify this a bit, I apologize for the miscommunication, I was pretty disgusted when I read it. When I say "This is why Muslims are getting the reputation in England", I was meaning that when a Muslim does this and it gets the media coverage that it is obviously going to have an effect on non-muslims who are not exactly used to the term "honor killing", whether it is Islamic or not it is an act that apparently gets carried out in the mid east. (Although I have to admit, out of pure ignorance and the way this article is reported, I thought this was something that could be sanctioned by Muslims. As stated above I guess it can be carried out but only through the proper channels and not actually by family members) So basically I am not saying that this is an islamic act or one that should be portrayed by the media as islamic, however it is put in the public eye in this manner, and whether or not it is the minority, people will see this and it will hurt the Muslim community as a whole, just like you mentioned about the preists.

Then I guess I do agree:statisfie . I guess the media should be more sensative in the way they potray things. A dream is but a dream.

 

[MTAFFI]

MTAFFI, if we speak out against it - take now for example - is the media going to show it? No they're not. Infact, if it's something from the Middle East or India, that doesn't always mean it's something Islamic. The same way everything from the west isn't always Christian.


It's really ironic that the article starts off with the murder, then it says that its 'home to 1.8million muslims' - why do they need to say that at all in the article? Would it make a difference? Or maybe they're just doing it to really cause hatred against Islaam? It did a good job of making you and even other non muslims feel that way.


Don't you know that this is a practise of the pre-islamic period? I.e. How about the millions of female infants which are killed in India, how come that isn't shown on the news?


It's totally biased and pure propaganda, what the guy did is bad. Infact, he went totally against Islamic teachings by taking the law into his own hands, he even forced her to drink brandy right? Who said we're allowed to have alcohol in Islaam? It's totally prohibited. So is this guy even a practising Muslim if he's going against it's teachings?

If he did something like that, and he's not practising Islaam well - then how are we to say that this act which he's done is Islamic at all?

I just typed a post above to clarify what I was going for with the post. I agree with most of what you are saying here. And I think someone said it the best above, this is a cultural phenomena, that because of the location of the more frequent occurances and the obvious background and religion of the person who commited the atrocity, the media is able to relate this to muslims and put them in a bad light. In any case, to the guy who knows nothing about this sort of act of violence or the Quran or Islam, it would appear as though this is what Muslims do, whether that be wrong or not, it is still going to damage the image of Muslims in Britain. Sad

 

[Zman]

/Peace To All

I'm totally against honor killings. But, I've seen this issue being blown-up beyond all proportions, on many sites and in the news.

So, we need to put it into perspective.

Compare how many honor killings occur on an annual basis, with murders involving extra-marital affairs, love-spats, and the huge amount of domestic violence against women (there are some cases where it's the men who are being abused).

It's like circumcision. They raise hell when Muslims do it, but, now, the U.N. is calling on the entire male polpulation of this planet to be circumcised, because they recently found out, that circumcision helps in combatting AIDS.

So, it's Just another case of double standards. Highlighting what Muslims do, but, hiding our own dirty laundry.

And if what Muslims did is beneficial, then we adopt it and congratulate ourselves for the discovery...

 

[- Qatada -]

Thankyou for understanding. I agree, the medias' done a good job of portraying it all as a 'muslim thing.' But atleast we got people like you guys who are ready to hear us out lol



Peace.

 

[Bittersteel]

I.e. How about the millions of female infants which are killed in India, how come that isn't shown on the news?

it was shown.Not many people were interested.
Zman circumcision is done by the Jews too .but if they raised hell just 'coz Muslim males did it,I got nothing to say.

 

[Muezzin]

I just typed a post above to clarify what I was going for with the post. I agree with most of what you are saying here. And I think someone said it the best above, this is a cultural phenomena, that because of the location of the more frequent occurances and the obvious background and religion of the person who commited the atrocity, the media is able to relate this to muslims and put them in a bad light. In any case, to the guy who knows nothing about this sort of act of violence or the Quran or Islam, it would appear as though this is what Muslims do, whether that be wrong or not, it is still going to damage the image of Muslims in Britain. Sad

It is true and it is sad.

If only we knew of these sorts of things before they happened. This lady went to the police for instance, but they failed to prevent it. Surely her friends could have done something? If someone I knew told me, deadly serious, that she was in actual danger of being murdered by her family, I'd sure as heck try to do something to protect her. I don't know, her friends probably did their best, but this still happened.

Because the wider community sadly doesn't hear about these things, the extremely unfortunate truth is that all we can do is condemn it if and when it does happen, rather than prevent it.

 

[MTAFFI]

It is true and it is sad.

If only we knew of these sorts of things before they happened. This lady went to the police for instance, but they failed to prevent it. Surely her friends could have done something? If someone I knew told me, deadly serious, that she was in actual danger of being murdered by her family, I'd sure as heck try to do something to protect her. I don't know, her friends probably did their best, but this still happened.

Because the wider community sadly doesn't hear about these things, the extremely unfortunate truth is that all we can do is condemn it if and when it does happen, rather than prevent it.

hopefully this event will get police to look at little closer at the next girl who comes to them saying that she is in fear of her life from her family

 

[glo]

Thankyou for understanding. I agree, the medias' done a good job of portraying it all as a 'muslim thing.' But atleast we got people like you guys who are ready to hear us out lol



Peace.

I understand all the concerns about how the media presents certain situations to the public, Fi_Sabilillah.

But I wonder what reasons the father and uncle in this story would give for their actions ... do you not think they will say it was 'their right or even obligation under Islam to act they way they did'?

What I am trying to say is, no matter how much the media blow this kind of thing out of proportion (and I don't doubt for a moment that they do!), they wouldn't associate such crimes with Islam, if not somebody somewhere had given them the impression that it was so!

All the more reason for you good guys to put the true Islamic teachings across here in LI ... unfortunately you only reach a small number of non-Muslims that way ...

My heart goes out to this young woman, her family and the man who loved her!
(Interestingly I have not heard her mother being mentioned at all. Where does she stand in all this, I wonder?)

Peace

 

[glo]

hopefully this event will get police to look at little closer at the next girl who comes to them saying that she is in fear of her life from her family

Sadly, I have heard opinions which stated that the police didn't take enough action, because they 'didn't want to appear too heavy-handed with regards to the ethnic minorities'.
Arguably that's the flip-side of trying to be politically correct, and not wanting to offend anybody ...

If somebody gets arrested and turns out innocent, people complain.
If the police play it softly and somebody gets killed, people certainly complain too ...

Sadly, with the benefit of hindsight we always know better ...

Peace

 

[Muezzin]

I understand all the concerns about how the media presents certain situations to the public, Fi_Sabilillah.

But I wonder what reasons the father and uncle in this story would give for their actions ... do you not think they will say it was 'their right or even obligation under Islam to act they way they did'?

What I am trying to say is, no matter how much the media blow this kind of thing out of proportion (and I don't doubt for a moment that they do!), they wouldn't associate such crimes with Islam, if not somebody somewhere had given them the impression that it was so!

All the more reason for you good guys to put the true Islamic teachings across here in LI ... unfortunately you only reach a small number of non-Muslims that way ...

This is true.

My heart goes out to this young woman, her family and the man who loved her!

Same here. But not to those particular members of her family who wanted her dead. I hope they feel guilt. Debilitating, rotting, soul-crushing guilt.

 

[Bittersteel]

the British PM should have confronted this instead of attacking Iraq.
Instead of having interfaith dialogues Muslims should have more talks on domestic issues and criminal activities concerning Muslims in Europa.
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/sunny_hundal/2006/06/the_government_has_betrayed_as.html
I have been into a Sikh forum lately and they said there's a Sikh-Muslim war going on over women especially.Funny,I know heh.boyfriends have been victims of honour killlings too,right?

 

[islamirama]

Sadly, I have heard opinions which stated that the police didn't take enough action, because they 'didn't want to appear too heavy-handed with regards to the ethnic minorities'.
Arguably that's the flip-side of trying to be politically correct, and not wanting to offend anybody ...

If somebody gets arrested and turns out innocent, people complain.
If the police play it softly and somebody gets killed, people certainly complain too ...
Peace

I disagree, police does as it pleases when it wants to. There is no sensitivity to minorities and their needs. As the article stated, one police officer even wanted to charge the girl for breaking her grandmother's window while jumping out. Police apparently didn't care in this case about the girl or her plight. So I blame the police as well for neglecting to do their jobs when they should rather then terrorize other people who don't deserve it. Besides, common sense goes a long way and that common sense was lacking by the officers in this girl's case.

 

[Malaikah]

Does Islamic law apply to non-muslims too? I couldn't live under that. A risk of being put to death for sleeping with a girl that I'm not married to...:rollseyes

It applies to married people. Please don't tell me you have no problem with cheating on your wife?

Oh poor you but we're speaking of executions, being put to death for virtually nothing at all.

I see. You think adultery, cheating on ones husband/wife, ruining his/her life as well as the life of any children involved and destroying a family is nothing.