Fear The Fitna Of Women!

Alpha Dude said:
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Respected sisters, please keep in mind that Prophet Muhammad Sallalahu Alaihe Wasalam said, words to the effect: "I have not left behind any fitnah more harmful to men than women."

When women are described as fitnah, it doesn't mean there is something inherently wrong with them. Nor does it mean the blame is to be placed on them for the sins men commit.

It just means that we men are to be careful around women cos you guys are potentially 'dangerous' to us. It's like the 'red button'. Despite being warned repeatedly not to touch it, temptation will always arise.
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:sl: noble brother;

Indeed a chocolate cake can be fitnah to a diabetic, and water fitnah to the fasting Muslim.. but the fault doesn't lie with the chocolate cake nor the water and I think it is unfortunate the repeated assails against women sometimes by one particular individual for failure to recognize the weakness of the self. Please realize that we all have weaknesses and part of iman is holding steadfast against the lower desires of the self.. my objections are merely that I notice and repeatedly posts that are aimed purely at women and not just any women but chaste Muslim women asking them to deny themselves basic things that are even endorsed religiously like education or driving or whatever else simply as to not pose some form of fitnah to the opposite sex. Men need to recognize their own follies without constantly looking for a scapegoat to pin their failures and shortcomings on!

This might come as a surprise to some but we are not inanimate objects.. we have feelings you know!

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τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ;1330680 said:
:sl: noble brother;

Indeed a chocolate cake can be fitnah to a diabetic, and water fitnah to the fasting Muslim.. but the fault doesn't lie with the chocolate cake nor the water and I think it is unfortunate the repeated assails against women sometimes by one particular individual for failure to recognize the weakness of the self. Please realize that we all have weaknesses and part of iman is holding steadfast against the lower desires of the self.. my objections are merely that I notice and repeatedly posts that are aimed purely at women and not just any women but chaste Muslim women asking them to deny themselves basic things that are even endorsed religiously like education or driving or whatever else simply as to not pose some form of fitnah to the opposite sex. Men need to recognize their own follies without constantly looking for a scapegoat to pin their failures and shortcomings on!

This might come as a surprise to some but we are not inanimate objects.. we have feelings you know!

:w:
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:salamext:

Any (muslim) Man who says that woman(herself) is a fitnah in their life is wrong. But shaytan makes the woman a fitnah for us men, he comes in every direction and makes it hard for men to lower their gaze. I am not discriminating against any believing woman but I think its better for her if she does not drive. One of the reasons is safety for her. More fitnah can arouse in a society if a woman drives because it can lead to mixing and meeting up with non-mahrams. I am not saying that if all women drive it will lead to mixing. I am talking about the weak believing women and who are like them. I think thats how the fitnah level is lower than any other country in Saudi because of that. In outer suburbs they let the woman drive in Saudi because its a necessity(farming etc). Forgive me for sake of Allah if have said anything wrong. Wa salamu alaykum.
 
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τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ;1330680 said:
my objections are merely that I notice and repeatedly posts that are aimed purely at women and not just any women but chaste Muslim women asking them to deny themselves basic things that are even endorsed religiously like education or driving or whatever else simply as to not pose some form of fitnah to the opposite sex.
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I'm not aware of previous posts by the thread starter, so I only spoke based on what I saw in the opening post - there was nothing to indicate taking away the rights of women there.

Nevertheless, you are right. This thread isn't really aimed at believing women. I think it's a topic better suited to the brothers' section, for brothers eyes only. Tips/guidance/advice on how to avoid falling into fitna involving women, that sort of thing.
 
τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ;1330680 said:
:sl: noble brother;

Indeed a chocolate cake can be fitnah to a diabetic, and water fitnah to the fasting Muslim.. but the fault doesn't lie with the chocolate cake nor the water and I think it is unfortunate the repeated assails against women sometimes by one particular individual for failure to recognize the weakness of the self. Please realize that we all have weaknesses and part of iman is holding steadfast against the lower desires of the self.. my objections are merely that I notice and repeatedly posts that are aimed purely at women and not just any women but chaste Muslim women asking them to deny themselves basic things that are even endorsed religiously like education or driving or whatever else simply as to not pose some form of fitnah to the opposite sex. Men need to recognize their own follies without constantly looking for a scapegoat to pin their failures and shortcomings on!

This might come as a surprise to some but we are not inanimate objects.. we have feelings you know!

:w:
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i agree with this (not aiming it at anyone in this thread). i will acknowledge that women are a fitnah to men (well more of a fitnah then men are to women anyway) i dont mean this to sound that the woman is the woman's fault or that we are deficient and to blame in any way, but as mentioned perhaps merely it is advice.

what i cant stand however is how the woman is solely to blame and how ridiculous notions such as "its the woman who gives the green light" are. well im sorry but if its the woman who gives the green light, then its the man who puts his foot on the accelerator. does that make him a saint? i think not!

im sick to death of this moaning and whinging from some men/brothers about the temptation and the fault of women whereas if you bothered to stop making excuses for yourselves/shifting the blame and bothered to actually rectify your own condition (if you dont already), then perhaps you will find that this temptation may be reduced greatly and that the green light is actually turned on red.

even sometimes a hijabi/jilbabified/niqabi sister gets stared at. omg if this is the affect a sister being modest has on you, you need you get a grip, honesty :hmm: (dude get the message already, she doesn't want attention).
 
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maybe i should request my post be moved to a thread of its own as a general advice for us all in light of summer approaching :D
 
to be honest outside of the raging hormones of the teenage years (and I am being generous since I was a teenager not so long ago) it is hard for me to believe that anyone is tempted by anything (summer, winter, hell or high-water) If anyone is tempting you with anything candy, money or women, I'd assess what is missing from your personal life before I pass blame on any party!

:w:
 
While lust is a very strong temptress. When it comes down to the last judgment any of us men who try to get by with the excuse "She made me do it" is going to sound very weak and foolish. We pay for what we do, we can not escape by saying "put the blame on the woman"...... Is it my imagination or is that like saying "make the woman pay for my sins"......

Do any of us honestly believe another person can take the punishment for our sins?
 
Woodrow said:
Do any of us honestly believe another person can take the punishment for our sins?
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I would never believe that a person will be punished for my sins. The person who takes away the right of another person and does not apologize will bear the burden. and Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala will give take away the good deeds from him or her on the day of judgement, if they dont have any good deeds left then they shall take the evil deeds of the person they have taken their right away from.

Say: "Shall I seek a lord other than Allah, while He is the Lord of all things? No person earns any (sin) except against himself (only), and no bearer of burdens shall bear the burden of another. Then unto your Lord is your return, so He will tell you that wherein you have been differing." Surat Al-An'aam 6:164

Whoever goes right, then he goes right only for the benefit of his ownself. And whoever goes astray, then he goes astray to his own loss. No one laden with burdens can bear another's burden. And We never punish until We have sent a Messenger (to give warning). Surat Al-Isra 17:15

And no bearer of burdens shall bear another's burden, and if one heavily laden calls another to (bear) his load, nothing of it will be lifted even though he be near of kin. You (O Muhammad SAW) can warn only those who fear their Lord unseen, and perform As-Salat (IqamatasSalat). And he who purifies himself (from all kinds of sins), then he purifies only for the benefit of his ownself. And to Allah is the (final) Return (of all). Sura Fatir 35:18

If you disbelieve, then verily, Allah is not in need of you, He likes not disbelief for His slaves. And if you are grateful (by being believers), He is pleased therewith for you. No bearer of burdens shall bear the burden of another. Then to your Lord is your return, so He will inform you what you used to do. Verily, He is the All-Knower of that which is in (men's) breasts. Surat Az-Zumar 39:7

That no burdened person (with sins) shall bear the burden (sins) of another. Surat An-Najm 53:38
 
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Ummu Sufyaan said:
even sometimes a hijabi/jilbabified/niqabi sister gets stared at. omg if this is the affect a sister being modest has on you, you need you get a grip, honesty :hmm: (dude get the message already, she doesn't want attention).
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Honestly, its these women who are more a bigger attraction for me. I don't start staring at anyone alhamdulillah. Even if I see some really beautiful woman while driving, I try not to give her a second look and Alhamdulillah, summa Alhamdulillah, I don't. Its the hijabi women. When I see them, they incite me more for a second look but I still try my best not to do that. I can take it just as an innovative trap of shaytaan. Having such great amount of experience in tempting humans, he can make you fall at the least expected places and situations. The above mentioned story and the story of the Jew who killed the girl after adultery (I think his name was Barsissa) are just examples of that.
 
Ali_008 said:
Honestly, its these women who are more a bigger attraction for me. I don't start staring at anyone alhamdulillah. Even if I see some really beautiful woman while driving, I try not to give her a second look and Alhamdulillah, summa Alhamdulillah, I don't. Its the hijabi women. When I see them, they incite me more for a second look but I still try my best not to do that. I can take it just as an innovative trap of shaytaan. Having such great amount of experience in tempting humans, he can make you fall at the least expected places and situations. The above mentioned story and the story of the Jew who killed the girl after adultery (I think his name was Barsissa) are just examples of that.
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do you know how disrespectful and annoying it is to cover to please your lord only for some dude to come along and think its ok to look at you! the whole point of the hijab, etc is to advert what you speak of. no sister wants to be at the receiving end of this. just becuase a sister is dressing modesty doesnt mean she wants attention and/or is playing hard to get (like some odd men seem to think) im not saying i've been in those shoes ( i do know sisters who have been though), but it enrages me to hear this baloney and my gheerah towards my sisters in Islam is greatly stirred.

its understandable (though not acceptable) if a woman isnt dressing so modestly... but a hijaabi/niqaabi?! come on! as i said, get the message already. besides i hardly doubt that any of you brothers would want your sisters/women-folk to be on the "receiving end."
 
^^ I completely acknowledge the fact that they covering themselves doesn't give me a right to keep looking at them. I respect all the women who have the guts to put on the hijab in this day & age not just because of their piety but also for their valiance. I still don't stare at Hibabi women but its them who attract me more:hmm:. My inclination to have a second look is more for a hijabi girl than one dressed immodestly.

:sorry: if my post offended anyone.
 
Ali_008 said:
^^ I completely acknowledge the fact that they covering themselves doesn't give me a right to keep looking at them. I respect all the women who have the guts to put on the hijab in this day & age not just because of their piety but also for their valiance. I still don't stare at Hibabi women but its them who attract me more:hmm:. My inclination to have a second look is more for a hijabi girl than one dressed immodestly.
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ha brother, you might wanna keep that to yourself
 
Ali_008 said:
^^ I realise that now. :hmm:
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:salamext:

I read your post and understood what you meant by it. Its alright brother, sometimes people misinterpret and misunderstand things that you say. may Allah forgive us for our shortcomings and grant us Ilm that we have not earned yet.
 

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