Feminism in the arab world

LauraS said:
Oh gooosh, I'm going to get drawn into repeating myself lol but I can't resist. This post just screams DEBATE DEBATE. :P

So! I have read about the Taliban's policies regarding women, not being allowed out without a male escort, not being allowed to work, go to school. What do you think women should be allowed to do? Feminism in places like the UK at the moment often involves women reading sexism where there is none although I often moan about how women are protrayed in films. In certain Arabic countries however women want to have the right to choose who they marry, to not be forced into marriage to men old enough to be their grandfather or they are sent to jail (there are women in Afghanistan still in jail to this day). I read an article today in which an Iranian judge claimed "In Iranian law men are worth two women." Comments like that are outdated, ridiculous and plain untrue. But while attitudes like this exists then good luck to the feminists of the Arab world.


Dictionary.com didn't know what anomality was either.^o)
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All these policies are for the protection of women in Afghanistan. At the end of the day womens role in Muslim culture is to marry have children and look after the home and cooking etc. The mens role is to provide and protect their family. I suppose it is a totally patrist system. But this system has always worked the best as it is a natural system. And considered good and Godly by all the main religions.
I think you have your wires crossed about forced marriage. Girls and women can refuse to marry. Girls sometimes marry old men because they may like old men, he may have wealth and property and the girl may not have to wait long to get it.
In that Iranian law comment I think you took it out of context. It means a man is worth two women as a witness to a crime. The reason for this is that a man has an analytical calculating mind better for recalling details and data processing as in ancient times was the hunter. The woman is the carer and stayed in the tribal camp looking after domestic responsibilities.

"What do you think women should be allowed to do?" That's not for me to dictate to anyone. At the end of the day it's each to their own. But for me personally I couldn't tolerate a feminist around me. I hate them.
 
Karl said:
All these policies are for the protection of women in Afghanistan. At the end of the day womens role in Muslim culture is to marry have children and look after the home and cooking etc. The mens role is to provide and protect their family. I suppose it is a totally patrist system. But this system has always worked the best as it is a natural system. And considered good and Godly by all the main religions.
I think you have your wires crossed about forced marriage. Girls and women can refuse to marry. Girls sometimes marry old men because they may like old men, he may have wealth and property and the girl may not have to wait long to get it.
In that Iranian law comment I think you took it out of context. It means a man is worth two women as a witness to a crime. The reason for this is that a man has an analytical calculating mind better for recalling details and data processing as in ancient times was the hunter. The woman is the carer and stayed in the tribal camp looking after domestic responsibilities.

"What do you think women should be allowed to do?" That's not for me to dictate to anyone. At the end of the day it's each to their own. But for me personally I couldn't tolerate a feminist around me. I hate them.
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It be that women should be allowed to refuse a man but there are cases where women and even girls are forced to. There was a case of a 12 year old being made to marry an old man and I don't imagine she wanted it.

I don't think the Iranian comment was out of context because it was about an Iranian woman who refused a man's marriage proposal so he threw acid in her face. She asked the court if he could be blinded with acid and the court said yes but then said only one of his eyes could be blinded because one man is worth two women. As for the comment you made about men and women's minds I doubt that would be the attitudes in many courts these days! Imagine if a court said they couldn't pay as much attention to a woman witness because her mind doesn't recall details as well as a man?! Once again that's a ridiculous male attitude to have that's more suited to the 18th century.

As for women working, although the children have to be considered of course (not to have both parents working and not seeing them) it might be hard for some women to imagine being stuck in a house all their lives and not have any ambitions. Put yourself in a woman's shoes.
 
LauraS said:
As for women working, although the children have to be considered of course (not to have both parents working and not seeing them) it might be hard for some women to imagine being stuck in a house all their lives and not have any ambitions. Put yourself in a woman's shoes.
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Depend on the women themselves.

If you come to my place maybe you will be surprised when you find, there are many educated women who chose to stop work and become a house wife, after they married or after they have a child. This is not because their husband forced them, no. Women in my place have a freedom to choose their profession, and house wife is a profession. And don't they have an ambition ?. They have. Raising their children and become a good mother is their ambition.

This is Eastern culture, Laura.
 
ardianto said:
Depend on the women themselves.

If you come to my place maybe you will be surprised when you find, there are many educated women who chose to stop work and become a house wife, after they married or after they have a child. This is not because their husband forced them, no. Women in my place have a freedom to choose their profession, and house wife is a profession. And don't they have an ambition ?. They have. Raising their children and become a good mother is their ambition.

This is Eastern culture, Laura.
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If a woman chooses to be a housewife then fair enough. I'm not saying if their ambitions are to raise their children well there's anything wrong with that, just that if they have other paths they want to follow, they should. I'm not someone who looks down on women who choose traditional roles. :)
 
LauraS said:
It be that women should be allowed to refuse a man but there are cases where women and even girls are forced to. There was a case of a 12 year old being made to marry an old man and I don't imagine she wanted it.

I don't think the Iranian comment was out of context because it was about an Iranian woman who refused a man's marriage proposal so he threw acid in her face. She asked the court if he could be blinded with acid and the court said yes but then said only one of his eyes could be blinded because one man is worth two women. As for the comment you made about men and women's minds I doubt that would be the attitudes in many courts these days! Imagine if a court said they couldn't pay as much attention to a woman witness because her mind doesn't recall details as well as a man?! Once again that's a ridiculous male attitude to have that's more suited to the 18th century.

As for women working, although the children have to be considered of course (not to have both parents working and not seeing them) it might be hard for some women to imagine being stuck in a house all their lives and not have any ambitions. Put yourself in a woman's shoes.
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I am speaking from a Muslim perspective, hey if you don't like Islam you don't have to. But to get to the thread, there is no feminism in the Arab world as most Arabs are Muslims and the Quran does not mention feminism, only the rights of males, females and animals. The moral values are set until the End of Days. They don't change by whim or fashion.
 
Some feminists wear undergarments with groin holes in them to mimic male urination because they'd feel less equal otherwise
 
thequietone said:
Some feminists wear undergarments with groin holes in them to mimic male urination because they'd feel less equal otherwise
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I think penis envy may have a lot to do with feminism. The main activists are freaks, men trapped in womens bodies.
Also in the "Elders of Zion" feminism was promoted, to break down the family of the Gentiles and weaken them.
 
Karl said:
I think penis envy may have a lot to do with feminism. The main activists are freaks, men trapped in womens bodies.
Also in the "Elders of Zion" feminism was promoted, to break down the family of the Gentiles and weaken them.
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My previous post was a joke, i think your wrong, its a bit far-fetched and silly. if men treated women good we wouldn't have feminists.

I believe in feminism, feminism that uplifts the woman and helps her attain all her rights, but i don't believe in feminism that seeks to make men redundant, feminism that confuses women.

i agree with you regarding the aim to break down the family

sexualised culture (sexual images everywhere) = overstimulated male who only thinks about sex

women with bobbed hair writing columns in magazines + portrayal of the male in movies as some predator incapable of having a long term relationships = women feel uneasy and worried

overstimulated male meets uneasy and worried woman = woman gets freaked out
 
Karl said:
I am speaking from a Muslim perspective, hey if you don't like Islam you don't have to. But to get to the thread, there is no feminism in the Arab world as most Arabs are Muslims and the Quran does not mention feminism, only the rights of males, females and animals. The moral values are set until the End of Days. They don't change by whim or fashion.
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Those cases aren't about Islam though, I highly doubt Islam would condone throwing acid at a woman for refusing to marry or forcing a 12 year old to marry. This is almost about male arrogance, thinking women should just do their bidding and have no say in their own lives.
 
Assalamu alaikum to all,

LauraS said:
Put yourself in a woman's shoes.
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Are you sure that's a sight you realy want to see ?+o(

Karl said:
Also in the "Elders of Zion" feminism was promoted, to break down the family of the Gentiles and weaken them.
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Actually there are a couple of books that describe in detail on how to degrade society but most people would never believe the extent of the Masons influence and almost total control of our world. Ah! consiracy theories, the usual reply to any devastating truth. People don't like to admit that they are ignorant.:omg:

thequietone said:
I believe in feminism, feminism that uplifts the woman and helps her attain all her rights, but i don't believe in feminism that seeks to make men redundant, feminism that confuses women.
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I don't think you realy know what feminism is, have you read "Sapho" or the rites of Hira. By the way it's not advisable reading for any Muslim, I think it would even make Iblis blush:phew. As far as Islam is concerned any "ism" is out and joining such would be an act of Murtad based on the Hadith "he who leaves the Jammah has left Islam"


Impey said:
Do you feel in anyway inferior to men?
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He is a guy !:embarrass

Masalam
 
i didnt know that, i stand to correct myself and say i dont believe in feminism, islam gives women their rights and i believe in that
 
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Feminism started off as legitimate cause. Feminism is subjective. The prophet (swt) can be seen as ‘feminist’.

Plus, Islam gives women rights. But some people misinterpret Islam to the extreme or follow culture rather than religion. Hence: the ban on driving, education, work, forced marriage, domestic violence, men only mosque etc!
 
The word submission is So beautiful specially for the believers which i envy. But those who loves to submit should treat women according to a genuine submission. Meaning What would a woman ask for more than a true submitted islamic husband . Anyways according to my humble mind i will quote What you say "god knows best"
 
I agree with you ardianto Women should have a right to choose their profession but always men should be careful that what ever profession they choose include dignity.
 
ayesha.ansari said:
I agree with you ardianto Women should have a right to choose their profession but always men should be careful that what ever profession they choose include dignity.
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Ulama in my place have issued a fatwa "making money for the family is responsibility of the husband, not the wife". It's because some husbands in my place were going lazy. They forced their wives to work but they never tried to find a job for themselves. When people ask them "why don't you work", they always replied "don't you know how hard to find a job". But when someone offered a job, those lazy husbands gave thousands reasons to refuse that job.

Sadly, I know some of them personally.

Now I am looking for a male employee, but those lazy people are not in my list. Sorry, I don't want to waste my time to offer a job to people who never want to work.
 

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