Fifa's ruling on women's Islamic strip sends out the wrong message

[GuestFellow]

Really hardcore nationalism is one thing, but telling people not to play a sport is no way to fight it.

Nationalism and hardcore nationalism are both bad. Nationalism is to have pride for your nation. No one has control over where they are born. So how can a person be proud of their country when they have no control over? It is like being proud of the colour of your skin.

I'm not telling people not to participate in sports. I'm telling Muslims to not participate in sports organised by FIFA or where your participating in a sporting activity for your country.

Just because a person plays for his country doesn't really mean anything.

It does mean something. These people have pride for their country and represent them in sports.

People are allowed to have pride in their countries, and to represent them.

I disagree. We should be proud of being Muslims and put Islamic teachings into practice.

Why do you waste time and energy on ANYTHING that you enjoy? Come on

There is no need for the Iranian football team to complain against FIFA to do something that they enjoy. If they really want to play football, I'm sure there are places in Iran where they can organise their own football match. See how simple this is?

To conclude, I see nationalism as one step away from racism. You should eliminate or partially eliminate all possible routes to something that is wrong. Nationalism in sports is one of them. It is like fornication. Free-mixing can lead to dating and dating can lead to fornication.

 

[FS123]

It is pointless. Why should Muslims waste their time and energy to get accepted by these non-Muslim organisations? FIFA can get lost. Muslims should focus on more serious issues. There is an element of nationalism in these sports which can lead to divisions within the Muslim community.

It is not about getting in to a non-muslim organisations, it is about preventing alienating ourselves in a society. Jews did the same thing in Europe, pre-world war, look what happened. When Nazis were persecuting them they didn't had a backing in the German society.

The Prophet (Allah bless him) stated, “None makes the religion difficult except that it overcomes him. So, aim for what is right, stick to the moderate way…” [Bukhari, Sahih]

The Prophet (Allah bless him) stated, “Beware of excessiveness in religion for those before you only perished due to excessiveness in religion.” [Ahmad, Musnad]
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[GuestFellow]

It is not about getting in to a non-muslim organisations, it is about preventing alienating ourselves in a society. Jews did the same thing in Europe, pre-world war, look what happened. When Nazis were persecuting them they didn't had a backing in the German society.

I agree that Muslims should not alienate themselves in a society and most have not done that in western countries. Many attend University, have jobs, give Dawah, are politically active, volunteer and so on.

Anyway, we should get involved unless it goes against our beliefs or there is a potential for it to cause further division within the Muslim community. The latter applies here.

 

[Mr.President]

And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! turn ye all together towards Allah, that ye may attain Bliss.

Al Quran 24:31

 

[FS123]

I agree that Muslims should not alienate themselves in a society and most have not done that in western countries. Many attend University, have jobs, give Dawah, are politically active, volunteer and so on.

Anyway, we should get involved unless it goes against our beliefs or there is a potential for it to cause further division within the Muslim community. The latter applies here.

How it goes against our beliefs when those ladies are wearing hijab in the sports? They were banned because they were wearing hijab in sports, which is discrimination. I don't think playing in a team makes division in the muslim community.

 

[GuestFellow]

How it goes against our beliefs when those ladies are wearing hijab in the sports?

That statement was not speciailly made towards the Iranian female football team. To make myself clear, I said we should not get involved in any kind of activity that goes against our belief.

I'm more concerned about these football matches leading to divisions within the Muslim community.

They were banned because they were wearing hijab in sports, which is discrimination.

Which is irrelevant because we should not be involved.

I don't think playing in a team makes division in the muslim community.

Riot police in the Egyptian capital, Cairo, quelled a violent demonstration near the Algerian embassy in the early hours of Friday.

It has lead to divisions in the past.

 

[FS123]

I'm more concerned about these football matches leading to divisions within the Muslim community.

Which is irrelevant because we should not be involved.

Riot police in the Egyptian capital, Cairo, quelled a violent demonstration near the Algerian embassy in the early hours of Friday.

It has lead to divisions in the past.

That's true, it is other side of the equation. But it depends on the attitude of people, if it is not sports then it will be something else, and I don't think they are practicing muslims to begin with. But muslims brothers and sisters with correct attitude can be an example and lead the way. Nobody in my family I've seen people fighting over sports, it is just sports, but it comes down to how we were brought up.

 

[Muhaba]

Salaam

Interesting article

By leaving the issue until the last minute, and undermining earlier agreements, Fifa is failing to live up to its stated values

It matters little to the game of football how players are attired, but the standardisation and attention to detail in regulating even this aspect of the game is tight. Sleeves have to be of the right length and sponsors' logos of the correct dimensions. Is it any surprise, then, that Fifa has taken issue with the Iranian FA's interpretation of a suitable kit for women's teams?

The Iranian national women's team was banned from a qualifying matchfor the 2012 London Olympics against Jordan because of the Islamic clothing worn by the players. In Iran, the decision has been criticised by everyone from the head of women's affairs at the Iranian Football Federation to President Ahmadinejad himself.


http://www.iransportspress.com/nati...slamic-strip-sends-out-the-wrong-message.html

The iranian players' clothing isn't islamic. additionally, muslim women shouldn't even take part in sports that will be watched by men. it is against muslim women's modesty.

what have the muslims come to? instead of non-muslims begging us to take part in their activities and to have their events hosted in muslim countries and non-muslims changing their rules to make that happen, it's the muslims who are begging non-muslims to let them take part in their activities. it should be muslims to say to the non-muslims "we aren't taking part in this activitiy because this thing is against our religion" etc. but its the other way around. shows who has the upper hand.