Finland's Islamophobia and Hate against Islam

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I"m not interested in fights, i'm just tired of his playing the victim on every single thread about turkey this turkey that because his gulenist failed the coup and are facing the consequences because of it.
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Then be wiser and stop. Report posts which go off topic. Ignoring a person who goes to your nerves helps too. This isn´t more than a discussion forum. No need to win all wars.
 
:salam:

Please correct me if I am wrong, but...

The irony of this is... Most of us Muslims are not terrorists, and the one's who are calling us terrorists, act more of a terrorist than what they claim of us being a terrorist.. they bomb Shaam, its civilians, innocent die, and call it "civilian casualities" and deliberately attacking hospitals and schools Audhu Billah. But most of all.. their hate speech. They call it "Freedom of Speech" but when we speak, they call it "radicalisation".

When a minority is maligned and victimised like we are... No wonder, they themselves are digging their own graves.

Then they talk about integration, but what they are really talking about, from what I can hear, is "assimilation". Which in other words is "us becoming like them" which will never happen.

Instead of this victimizing of minorities, we should have:

A) a Segregated society.
B) an intergrated one, where we Muslims are allowed to show our Islam without being maligned. we will not become like them.

Allahu alam.
 
Islamophobia is everywhere in Europe not only in Finland.

Its funny how these countries always call themselves "countries of freedom".

Americans and Europeans together killed thousands of Muslims yet still play victim.
 
[MENTION=39296]aaj[/MENTION] and [MENTION=38474]Mustafa16[/MENTION] : peace ! After all, you are brothers in Islam.
 
Abdullah910 said:
Islamophobia is everywhere in Europe not only in Finland.

Its funny how these countries always call themselves "countries of freedom".

Americans and Europeans together killed thousands of Muslims yet still play victim.
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Well, if someone puts a bomb to the train and kills civilians, they are the victims, just same if they live in the Europe or in the Asia or in America or Africa, are they Muslims or non-Muslims. This is the basic lesson of the humanity.
 
Sub'han'Allah, dude [MENTION=39296]aaj[/MENTION] , you have become so caught up with [MENTION=9623]sister herb[/MENTION] that you by that totally forget what the whole issue is about.

Let me untangle it for you.

Does Finnish government associate themselves with Islam by any form? Nope, they are only broadcasting the whole "democracy"-stuff.
Does Turkish government associate themselves with Islam by any form? Yes, they do and they are trying to forcefully and with intention to head towards "their" way of Islam.

Why does [MENTION=9623]sister herb[/MENTION] and as well as ME, speak out against Turkish government instead of Finnish government one might ask. I believe my dear sister and i we say "la ilaha illa Allah". So this besides we being brother and sister in humanity, we also have become brother and sister in Islam. So every government that associates themselves with Islam, i criticize them more openly than the ones that do not associate themselves with Islam. If from this day Turkey says we go secular 100% and we convert to atheism. The country further more is being divided that none of the Muslims that are living there are oppressed, you will see i close my mouth.

US government does not associate themselves with Islam, rather with zionism, i critize that. Also you have those patriot Americans that are so proud of America and telling other people to leave their country. I also speak against that as they themselves are immigrants. About the Finnish they going open and shouting democracy and freedom, but "freedom by their standards" is only what they deem free. I also speak against that.

So thinking just because some people speak against Erdogan, doesn't mean we don't speak against other governments. However i speak more about Erdogan, Gulen and Kemalists as they are doing damage directly to Muslims living there. In Finland, if it becomes that bad, they can migrate mostly as the country itself doesn't associate themselves with Islam. However a country that associates themselves with Islam should stick to Islamic rulings, which in Turkey is every but that.
 
aaj said:
Xenophobia and Islamophobia get to first base in Finlandhttp://www.migranttales.net/xenophobia-and-islamophobia-get-to-first-base-in-finland-and-now-what/Finns Party candidate called for Muslims to be cooked alive because he was ‘extremely concerned about the spread of extreme Islam’http://www.islamophobiawatch.co.uk/category/finland/Finnish lawmaker fined for 'all terrorists are Muslims' commenthttps://www.dailysabah.com/islamoph...-fined-for-all-terrorists-are-muslims-commentReport: Islamophobia in FinlandFinland has a relatively proportionally small amount of Muslims, about 60.000-65.000 in a country of 5,5 million people. The largest ethnic Muslim group residing in Finland are Tatars who came to the country at the end of the 19th century. Today though, most Muslims are from Arab countries, Somalia or the Balkans. The amount of converts is also growing. The results of data analysed in this report show that Islamophobia is rising in an alarming way throughout public discourse, including media, politics and especially in the realm of cyberspace and social media. Other academic research cited in this report has shown that Islamophobia is one of the reasons of Muslim radicalisation and why some Muslims decide to leave Finland and move to Syria.full report at: https://www.islamophobiaeurope.com/reports/2015/en/EIR_2015_FINLAND.pdf [MENTION=9623]sister herb[/MENTION]You keep talking about Turkey but what are you doing about your nation's leaders? Why don't you speak out about their human rights violations? Why are you so mute about your government and politicians? As a Muslim I feel lot more safer in Turkey then I do in your country.
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turkey is a Muslim country, this is why it's safer for you
 
I have made work to find out more human right violations made in Finland. At the 2015, European Court of Human Rights gave 5 statements about human right violations:

Three of these concerned Article Convention on Human Rights, according to which a single crime can not be punished twice. In practice, this means that, for example, a tax offense can be sentenced to imprisonment and ordered to pay compensation to the tax authorities.

Others were about protracted judicial proceedings.

One which I also remember was the concern of the ombudsman of the parliament about the situation that every prisoners hadn´t own toilet seat in their cells but this matter has been fixed already.

Of course every human right violations are important but I don´t see it´s equal if we compare missing toilet seats in the prison cells and torture of the political prisoners what may happen in some other countries.
 
Wa alaykum assalam,

Islamophobia exists in every country where there isn't a Muslim majority.

And in the UK we have plenty of those rogue politicians who make those outrageous claims about what they think about Muslims. And, thankfully, most people don't take them seriously.

In fact, the UK has a relatively 'large' Muslim population and has its own set of problems concerning xenophobia and racism, just because we may not talk about it all the time doesn't mean we don't recognise that or are under the illusion that our country is perfect or free of problems. No country is perfect. Islamophobia is on the rise everywhere. Having said that, Finland seems to have a better record in that regard than, say, England or America, and those Muslims living in Finland know what they're talking about.

Occasionally I do feel vulnerable when on the streets as a visibly Muslim woman, but would I be any 'safer' in Kashmir, a Muslim country, where my grandparents grew up? Maybe, maybe not.
 
I dont know why we are comparing Finland and Turkey but these are two different countries with different dynamics. We cant compare these two countries in regard to the Muslim identity. A Muslim in Turkey and a Muslim in Finland are not the same one. So claming that Xists and Yists are like that in Turkey but like that in Finland and vice versa is not logical.
 
sister herb said:
Well, if someone puts a bomb to the train and kills civilians, they are the victims, just same if they live in the Europe or in the Asia or in America or Africa, are they Muslims or non-Muslims. This is the basic lesson of the humanity.
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So you are saying that all humans are equal? A non Muslim is equal to a Muslim according to you?
 
I am not talking about freedom or churches, I am talking about human rights. Try to stay on topic or go to some other thread to destroy churches. This is not the right place for it.
 
Well, that explains everything then.

The Prophet Muhammad :saws: himself forbade the destruction of places of worship or the monks praying in them even during times of war.

But back onto the topic, human rights are fundamental to Islam. Read about the Constitution of Medina, for one.
 
Can someone please provide examples of islamophobia? I have not been able to find a clear definition of it?
 

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