For those who live in Iran

[MTAFFI]

the US does a good job at creating that hatred itself

as do many muslims, the door swings both ways. It is so easy to condemn america on an islamic site, take a look at other sites where people like america, there are many of them. I dont know who is hated more the US and western society or the middle east and muslims

 

[Sami Zaatari]

free speech folks right? countless of americans say death to Islam!!!!!!! and i have saved text of them doing so, so ya know if they can say death to Islam iran can say death to america , why not? free speech right?

 

[snakelegs]

free speech folks right? countless of americans say death to Islam!!!!!!! and i have saved text of them doing so, so ya know if they can say death to Islam iran can say death to america , why not? free speech right?

yep.
but i think the OP's concern was, how islamic is it to teach children to hate and what would the prophet think about it.

 

[doodlebug]

well its not an islamic state so the question doesnt really stand

as for shouting hatred, the leaders dont need to encourage anyone to shout hatred against the US - the US does a good job at creating that hatred itself

It calls itself an Islamic state so I guess therein lied my confusion.

My problem with it isn't so much people expressing their hatred...I'm cool with that I grew up in the 70's and have been in my share of demonstrations.

What I'm not cool with though is how a country can call itself Islamic and then have its leaders insist that their people shout hatred at the masjids and in schools.

The people who have no clue about Islam see this and automatically say, "see????? THAT is what your crazy religion teaches!!!!".

Like I don't have enough roadblocks in my way and so these so called Islamic countries have to put up more for me??? UUUUUUGH.

Again....I have absolutely NO PROBLEM with freedom of speech. I think it's great when I see people in other countries with picket signs against this or that. Just because I was born and raised here doesn't mean I'm a robot who gets dissed each time I see a "i hate Bush" or "i hate america" sign. What I hate though is people hijacking my religion to support their cause, whatever it may be.

 

[doodlebug]

free speech folks right? countless of americans say death to Islam!!!!!!! and i have saved text of them doing so, so ya know if they can say death to Islam iran can say death to america , why not? free speech right?

Not so free when they're being ordered to do it.

Not so free if that phrase has been drilled into their heads since preschool.

Freedom of speech does not exist in Iran. I'd say go ask the Candadian who tried to cover the demonstration that happened outside of a prison, but she was beaten to death for trying to express her freedom of speech.

VERY big difference between Americans who do not get arrested for burning the American flag, and Iranians who are ordered from age 5 to shout "death to America, death to Israel". Try putting a few college kids in a group saying "death to Iran, death to the Ayatolla" and see if they're still comin' down for breakfast the next morning. :rollseyes

 

[Eric H]

Blessings and peace be with you doodlebug;

Although there is a real sense of conflict between Iran and America, I admire your determination to search for a more peaceful and Islamic solution. The bottom line is we are all created by the same God, and we need to acknowledge this.

In the spirit of praying for peace on Earth

Eric

 

[AzizMostafa]

Taking advantage of this space.
Would like to acknowledge US grace,
On Nations of different faith, color + race
in overcoming what they face.

US did+does, phase by phase,
Place Kings and replace.
Chase rootless from occupied place,
the Removers of tracks with erase.
Send homeless in their place,
by proving that which has no trace.

To keep the Cone on its base
Go ahead and setup US base,
east+west, in every space,
To stay in defense, just in case.
Make enemy taste shameful Disgrace!
______________________________
Sorry for not finding better phrase

 

[Link]

Al-Mawt Al-Mawt Al-Mawt Al-Israel. al-mawt al-mawt al-mawt al-America.

The chants heard in southern lebanon aswell.

You keep being all "akhlaqy" grow your beards, go to your halaqas, do whatever you do and o yeah keep saying "we follow the Rasool" (btw wasn't the Rasool (pbuh) the one who destroyed idols in society and freed people from it, wasn't the Rasool (pbuh) who struggled, suffered, and fought?) and die on whatever you believe is the right religion.

We gonna fight the dajal till it's expelled from the world forever. We don't need ne you guys to preach to us with "did the Rasool (pbuh) do that?". Please.

The Rasool (pbuh) message is in found in the blood of Hussain (as). The sooner you realize that, the better it is for all the oppressed.

 

[Muezzin]

Notice: A certain post was deleted for being inappropriate. I also deleted the four or five posts replying to it.

That is certainly part of it.

Then the US plays right into that assigned role, as the hostile bogeyman out to destroy the people of the given country. The threats ("axis of evil" etc) and attacks on other countries by the US certainly solidifies the out-to-get-you image in the minds of the populace.

Holy moley, I agree with you on something! Rogue states label superpowers as bogeymen as well as provoking them, then superpowers start fulfilling the role for whatever reason whilst calling rogue states evil and provoking them in so doing, thus perpetuating the cycle.

I don't know about Americans (if we're working on the somewhat faulty assumption that all Americans are automatically non-Muslim) saying 'death to Islam', but doodlebug is right, it's not very Islamic to chant 'Death to' such and such country. It's also not very Islamic to justify wrongdoings because another party is also committing a wrong - it's like me saying 'I refuse to do my homework because none of my classmates do theirs! Why should I?!'

 

[Link]

Not very ISlamic. The Quran tells Mohammad (pbuh) and the believers to anounce to the disbelievers that they will be defeated and destroyed.

With addition to that, it's been promised in the Quran. So if we hope out loud what has already been promised in the Quran, it's anti-Islamic??

LOL. Your wussy attitude is what is anti-Islamic.

US is the mother of all taghoots, and Quran says to reject and abolish the taghoot. Remember message was not only for some arab tribes but whole mankind and jinn.

 

[Muezzin]

Not very ISlamic. The Quran tells Mohammad (pbuh) and the believers to anounce to the disbelievers that they will be defeated and destroyed.

With addition to that, it's been promised in the Quran. So if we hope out loud what has already been promised in the Quran, it's anti-Islamic??

LOL. Your wussy attitude is what is anti-Islamic.

US is the mother of all taghoots, and Quran says to reject and abolish the taghoot. Remember message was not only for some arab tribes but whole mankind and jinn.

Somebody needs a time out, and is lucky he has not received a warning and/or a smack upside the head for, ahem, 'disrespecting an LI official'.

Carry on.

 

[Allah-creation]

i agree Muslims shouldn't act cowardly.

 

[Chuck]

The Quran tells Mohammad (pbuh) and the believers to anounce to the disbelievers that they will be defeated and destroyed.

Well it is not same as Death to Makkans. In war armies announce to each other that they will be defeated and destroyed, however, announcement in Quran is different. In Quran it was giving a prophecy and moral support to muslims that Allah is on their side and victory will be theirs as it is planned by Allah.

However, muslims were commanded to not say bad names to the gods of the pagans even though makkan pagans insulted the beliefs of muslims, and there were also guidelines on the conduct in confrontations. This is not wussy attitude, it is just being muslims and the difference between strong believer and non-believer. Being macho doesn't mean victory.

 

[Darkseid]

Iran has yet to realize that it too is an Empire. But it is mainly upset at America for siding with Saddam during much of the fighting between Saddam and Iran.

Well it is not same as Death to Makkans. In war armies announce to each other that they will be defeated and destroyed, however, announcement in Quran is different. In Quran it was giving a prophecy and moral support to muslims that Allah is on their side and victory will be theirs as it is planned by Allah.

However, muslims were commanded to not say bad names to the gods of the pagans even though makkan pagans insulted the beliefs of muslims, and there were also guidelines on the conduct in confrontations. This is not wussy attitude, it is just being muslims and the difference between strong believer and non-believer. Being macho doesn't mean victory.

Yes but as long as they remain true muslims that Allah will remain on their side.

One can always call one's self a muslim under false pretenses and it doesn't mean that he or she is a muslim.

 

[Pygoscelis]

Holy moley, I agree with you on something!

I'm pretty sure you are not allowed to agree with me on anything. Its a sure sign of the apocalypse or something. I'm sure there is a sunnah or something that says thou shalt not agree with Pygoscelis.

Rogue states label superpowers as bogeymen as well as provoking them, then superpowers start fulfilling the role for whatever reason whilst calling rogue states evil and provoking them in so doing, thus perpetuating the cycle.

Exactly. Axis of Evil and Great Satan are two sides of the same coin.

 

[Pygoscelis]

Not very ISlamic. The Quran tells Mohammad (pbuh) and the believers to anounce to the disbelievers that they will be defeated and destroyed.

So um, you really ARE out to destroy us? That kind of makes George Bush and his cronnies with their "fight them there or they will come kill us here" propaganda sound reasonable.

 

[Darkseid]

So um, you really ARE out to destroy us? That kind of makes George Bush and his cronnies with their "fight them there or they will come kill us here" propaganda sound reasonable.

It is funny that he said the Quran tells Muhammad.

Muhammad was dead when the Quran was invented. Muhammad didn't write the Quran, Muhammad wouldn't even recognize the Quran if he had saw it, and he definitely didn't read the Quran.

If you asked Muhammad about the Quran, he would say, "WHAT?!"

 

[doodlebug]

It is funny that he said the Quran tells Muhammad.

Muhammad was dead when the Quran was invented. Muhammad didn't write the Quran, Muhammad wouldn't even recognize the Quran if he had saw it, and he definitely didn't read the Quran.

If you asked Muhammad about the Quran, he would say, "WHAT?!"

I don't agree with him but I have to say I knew what he meant by the phrase. Sure he didn't write the Quran but he most certainly would immediately recognize the verses if they were read to him since they were written down verbatim by many who had memorized it and agreed on it word for word.

 

[England]

Iran is a threat, no doubt about it. Teaching kids the chants of "death to America" is just going to breed terrorism. Some would say that the Iranian president is also a joke to his religion

 

[lilah]

Assalam alaykum

I watched a documentary last night about Iran and although I can wrap my arms around the anti-American graffiti that I saw, two things shocked and saddened me:

1) It showed boys on their first day of school (don't know if it's the same with the girls or not) and the very first thing they did before entering their first school experience was to chant "death to America, death to America, death to America". Then they went into the school building.

Does this really happen or was it just for the tv's benefit? (this was a Discovery channel documentary)

2) It showed that in the mosques, after prayers are completed, the people chant this same "death to America" chant as they leave the mosque.

How is that Islamic? I am reading about the life of our Prophet, saw, and the things that I see in this Islamically ruled country called Iran are so off the wall I just can't understand it. Our prophet, saw, would never condone this type of behavior so I have to wonder how Islamic this country called Iran truly is.

i have a hard time believing that you are falling for US media propaganda. if you want to know the condition of the iranian children, maybe you should take a visit to iran and see for yourself what's going on instead basing your opininion from a 1 hour tv show?

and you know what? maybe some good would come from the death of america as it exists today. look at what america has become in the last 10 years... historically, america has been a greater threat to the world. how can we, in our hearts not wish for our country to change, after what the government has done for it.

All around the world, people's lives are being turned upside down because of this country, and all we do sit in our fancy air conditioned homes and shake our heads in judgement based on what we see on a TV show or the news. It's so easy for the media to perpetuate the image that arabs/muslims/iranians are radical extremists....all they have to is show some dark skin man holding an AK47...and the average jo american believes it. there is no 'terrorism threat' there are no major al quadea cells anywhere. this is government propaganda that has emerged post 9/11 to be used as a fear tactic to control the masses.

I suggest my fellow muslim brothers and sisters to read surah Al Nas (114) on a daily basis...insha allah, reading this will help you see through the lies deception that the media and the government makes you believe.

Now THAT's an opening to dialogue!!!!!!

See how much easier and so not full of hatred that is???

I really don't recall our beloved Prophet, saw, ordering his companions to chant "death to the Quraish", "death to the Quraish".........

Our beloved prophet (pbuh) may not have chanted 'death to quraish' but he did ask Allah (swt) to send punishment on them

Holy Hadith (Sahih Bukhari)
Volume 1, Book 9, Number 499
Narrated 'Amr bin Maimuin:
'Abdullah bin Mas'ud said, "While Allah's Apostle was praying beside the Ka'ba, there were some Quraish people sitting in a gathering. One of them said, 'Don't you see this (who does deeds just to show off)? Who amongst you can go and bring the dung, blood and the abdominal contents (intestines, etc). of the slaughtered camels of the family of so and so and then wait till he prostrates and put that in between his shoulders?' The most unfortunate amongst them ('Uqba bin Abi Mu'ait) went (and brought them) and when Allah's Apostle prostrated, he put them between his shoulders. The Prophet remained in prostration and they laughed so much so that they fell on each other. A passerby went to Fatima, who was a young girl in those days. She came running and the Prophet was still in prostration. She removed them and cursed upon the Quraish on their faces. When Allah's Apostle completed his prayer, he said, 'O Allah! Take revenge on Quraish.' He said so thrice and added, 'O Allah! take revenge on 'Amr bin Hisham, 'Utba bin Rabia, Shaiba bin Rabi'a, Al-Walid bin'Utba, Umaiya bin Khalaf, 'Uqba bin Abi Mu'ait and 'Umar a bin Al-Walid." Abdullah added, "By Allah! I saw all of them dead in the battle field on the day of Badr and they were dragged and thrown in the Qalib (a well) at Badr: Allah's Apostle then said, 'Allah's curse has descended upon the people of the Qalib (well).

Please, lets spend less time judging our brothers and sisters, and more time defending them...