Four Christian Terrorists Arrested in United States

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Salam alaykum

should muslims make same mistake than christians? Calling people whose use religion as reason for they crimes as religion terrorist?

I think we should be more civiliazed than them. Even in media.
 
sister harb said:
Salam alaykum

should muslims make same mistake than christians? Calling people whose use religion as reason for they crimes as religion terrorist?

I think we should be more civiliazed than them. Even in media.
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Asalaamu alaikum,

5:8
O you who have believed, be persistently standing firm for Allah , witnesses in justice, and do not let the hatred of a people prevent you from being just. Be just; that is nearer to righteousness. And fear Allah ; indeed, Allah is Acquainted with what you do.


The problem, Dear Sister, is that if someone comes charging at you, wielding a sword and screaming religious edict, then it is natural to associate the religion with the act. The problem here, in this case, is that the idiots in the militia were NOT screaming "God-has-declared-that-we-kill-our-government-officials-and-bring-back-slavery", yet, simply because they lay claim to being christian, the Muslims here took that to mean that it was out of religious hatred that they were part of the militia and wanted to kill and then it was taken even further to encompass ALL Americans as being religious zealots who hate anyone who is not a Christian. THAT is where the mistake happened. How is that "being just" as it states in Quran to do? It isn't and THAT, dear friends, is imitation of the kaafirs.

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sister harb said:
Christianity forbid terrorism.
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Asalaamu alaikum,

Why, yes, yes it does dear sister and so does Islam. Islam STRICTLY forbids suicide.....however....that doesn't stop people who SAY they are Christians or Muslims from committing grievous acts that go against their respective religious edicts, now does it? :) Does that mean that they are the prime example of what that religion or country's beliefs are? NO!....:) and we should prevent ourselves from making the same mistake of making that misjudgement. Isn't that what's better?
 
Fakrun said:
Asalaamu alaikum,

5:8
O you who have believed, be persistently standing firm for Allah , witnesses in justice,
and do not let the hatred of a people prevent you from being just. Be just; that is nearer
to righteousness. And fear Allah ; indeed, Allah is Acquainted with what you do.


The problem, Dear Sister, is that if someone comes charging at you, wielding a sword
and screaming religious edict, then it is natural to associate the religion with the act.
The problem here, in this case, is that the idiots in the militia were NOT screaming
"God-has-declared-that-we-kill-our-government-officials-and-bring-back-slavery",
yet, simply because they lay claim to being christian, the Muslims here took that to
mean that it was out of religious hatred that they were part of the militia and wanted
to kill and then it was taken even further to encompass ALL Americans as being religious
zealots who hate anyone who is not a Christian. THAT is where the mistake happened.
How is that "being just" as it states in Quran to do? It isn't and THAT, dear friends, is
imitation of the kaafirs.
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Peace to you Fakrun:

Your characterization is incorrect of what you think people are thinking.

We have a command of history, commonsense, and the understanding
of the media's intentional disinformation regarding Muslims.

We only pointed out that people who claim other religions no matter
how authentic or accurate their view are not treated the same.

The research on the accused men was only for the benefit of
people who would divorce themselves from the reality of
what they adhered. Which was expected.

Just the facts!
 
sister harb said:
Salam alaykum

should muslims make same mistake than christians? Calling people whose
use religion as reason for they crimes as religion terrorist?

I think we should be more civiliazed than them. Even in media.
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As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Ukhti sister harb:

you misunderstood the point of the thread. We have a command of
what mainstream Christians believe. That is just like those who
claim to be adherents of Islam disobeying killing innocent women,
children, elderly and non-combatants and justifying it and receiving
unfettered support. Muslims can't say that these violators are not Muslims.
No different with adherents who claim Christianity no matter how off
the wall the beliefs. You see the convenient compartmentalization when
addressing how the Christians enslaved Africans and committed genocide
on Native Americans.
 
sabr* said:
Peace to you Fakrun:

Your characterization is incorrect of what you think people are thinking.

We have a command of history, commonsense, and the understanding
of the media's intentional disinformation regarding Muslims.

We only pointed out that people who claim other religions no matter
how authentic or accurate their view are not treated the same.
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Asalaamu alaikum,

I'll grant you that you probably are more aware of the media's intentional disinformation regarding Muslims (especially Fox News) but I wonder if you are taking sole ownership of historical knowledge and common sense that is not yours to lay claim to....or am I misunderstanding your intent behind your words? I just wanna double check.

sabr said:
The research on the accused men was only for the benefit of
people who would divorce themselves from the reality of
what they adhered. Which was expected.

Just the facts!
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:) I like that line, "Just the facts, Ma'am, just the facts". Why? Because the fact is that the original article did not state that they were Christian, however, the original post by you included the description "Christian" in the opening paragraph as if it WAS part of the original printed story. How honorable is that?? What if someone didn't read the link and only read what you posted?? They would have walked away with inaccurate and misleading information. Now, if you had wanted to include, as a comment on the article, a statement saying that they were christian....that would have been different. That would have been accurate. The fact remains that their motives for trying to use Ricin wasn't religiously motivated. It doesn't make it any better....but that wasn't their motivation. That just makes them bad examples of Christianity.
 
sabr* said:
You see the convenient compartmentalization when
addressing how the Christians enslaved Africans and committed genocide
on Native Americans.
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Asalaamu Alaikum,

I think I understand what you are trying to say, however....

African's were enslaved because people thought that they were lower than human, not because God told them to enslave Black people.

The native's however....well, that WAS racial AND Religious persecution. It also didn't stop, the disassimilation of the native people from their culture and religious beliefs, until the 1970's when the last Government run "Indian School" was closed. Even today, children who are placed in foster care are NOT being placed in native homes (which by law is supposed to happen) but the majority are being placed in off-Rez white, Christian homes and the children loose all contact with the tribes. Our children are being stolen!
 
Fakrun said:
Asalaamu alaikum,

I'll grant you that you probably are more aware of the media's intentional
disinformation regarding Muslims (especially Fox News) but I wonder if you
are taking sole ownership of historical knowledge and common sense that
is not yours to lay claim to....or am I misunderstanding your intent behind
your words? I just wanna double check.
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Peace to you Fakrun:

We didn't create historical events so it would be asinine to claim it.
(Allah is the Al-'Alim (The All-knowing, The Knowledgeable; The One nothing is absent from His knowledge)

We also attribute our commonsense to the one who has blessed us with it. (Allah)
Fakrun said:
like that line, "Just the facts, Ma'am, just the facts". Why?
Because the fact is that the original article did not state that they were Christian,
however, the original post by you included the description "Christian" in the opening
paragraph as if it WAS part of the original printed story. How honorable is that??
What if someone didn't read the link and only read what you posted??
They would have walked away with inaccurate and misleading information.
Now, if you had wanted to include, as a comment on the article, a statement saying that they were christian....t
hat would have been different. That would have been accurate. T
he fact remains that their motives for trying to use Ricin wasn't religiously motivated.
It doesn't make it any better....but that wasn't their motivation.
That just makes them bad examples of Christianity.
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Dragnet was a interesting crime drama series of the late sixties created, produced
and acted by Jack Webb as Sergent Joe Friday. (We love history)

The facts are the accused men admitted being in a Militia and
facts presented collaborated they are Christian adherents.
Even though they don't meet your litmus test of Christianity.

Now if you desire to sparse the facts that the original article didn't
detail these established facts would that be your only argument
to acknowledging they are Christian and are in a Militia that is racist?

No need to answer or further the discussion. A dead end.
 
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Fakrun said:
Asalaamu Alaikum,

I think I understand what you are trying to say, however....

African's were enslaved because people thought that they were lower than human,
not because God told them to enslave Black people.

The native's however....well, that WAS racial AND Religious persecution.
It also didn't stop, the disassimilation of the native people from their culture and
religious beliefs, until the 1970's when the last Government run "Indian School"
was closed.

Even today, children who are placed in foster care are NOT being placed in native
homes (which by law is supposed to happen) but the majority are being placed in
off-Rez white, Christian homes and the children loose all contact with the tribes.
Our children are being stolen!
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Peace to you Fakrun:

Our response isn't Christian bashing just stating the facts.

What you described in your quote is simply called:

Proselytizing

Religious indoctrination which is usually done in childhood. (Catechism)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catechism

Religious missionaries have done this throughout Africa.
 
So far I've read nothing showing that they claimed to be or were Christian terrorists. Your original article doesn't mention it. Also we as Muslims get upset anytime Islam is painted in a negative light when terrorism is involved. We shouldn't rush to do the same thing when the shoe is on the other foot.

From what I've read these men were upset at the government and that was their goal. If I find out any new information I'll gladly retract my statement. Until then let's just go with what we've been presented and leave the finger pointing to other people.
 
JeffX said:
So far I've read nothing showing that they claimed to be or were Christian terrorists. Your original article doesn't mention it. Also we as Muslims get upset anytime Islam is painted in a negative light when terrorism is involved. We shouldn't rush to do the same thing when the shoe is on the other foot.

From what I've read these men were upset at the government and that was their goal. If I find out any new information I'll gladly retract my statement. Until then let's just go with what we've been presented and leave the finger pointing to other people.
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Asalaamu Alaikum,

Twus this not the same point I was trying to convey? Thank you brother. Maybe your words were plainer than mine.......I have other thoughts but I'll not express them.
 
Fakrun said:
Asalaamu Alaikum,

Twus this not the same point I was trying to convey? Thank you brother. Maybe your words were plainer than mine.......I have other thoughts but I'll not express them.
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You're welcome.
 
Salam alaykum

once again there can´t be christian, jew, muslim etc terrorosm as it is against they ideology.
 
i wouldn't knock the militias too quickly as they do get hated on by the government and vilified by the lamestream media,
sometimes they could even get framed and lied about just like many Muslims do.
check it out from their point of view:


 
sabr* said:


As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Akhi JeffX:

get acquainted with post 33.


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Brother, no where in that link does it say they are christians. I have no doubt they are, but neither article says it. The attack was anti-government, and not based on any religious motivation. Second, just because the only churches in the area, are christian doesn't mena they are.
 

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