France imposes first niqab fines

[MSalman]

Hind Ahmas and Najate Nait Ali were caught wearing the niqab in public outside Meaux town hall, eastern Paris, soon after the law came in in May.


The women say they will appeal against their punishment all the way to the European Court of Human Rights.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-15013383

These crazy niqabis, they're bringing nothing but shame to Islam & Muslims. Niqab is not even from Islam. Some of these extremist Muslims ruin all our daw'ah and negotiation efforts. Why can't they just obey the law? Because of these we get backlash in the media and public. They should move to Saudi Arabia if they want to wear niqab so badly and keep living in 7th century by remaining in control of men.

We need to invite our non-Muslim friends to Islam. They are very peaceful and not against Islam or Muslims. And we should work with them to eliminate these extremist Islamists.

[/end of sarcasm]

Another high-profile niqab-wearer, Kenza Drider, has said she will stand for president in the 2012 election.

- SubhaanAllah, what a brave sister! May Allah reward her abundantly, ameen. Maybe some of the munafiqeen learn a lesson from her.

May Allah protect our sisters in France, keep them steadfast and make a way out for them, ameen.

 

[GuestFellow]

It will be interesting to see how the European Court of Human Rights reacts to this.

 

[SFatima]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-15013383

These crazy niqabis, they're bringing nothing but shame to Islam & Muslims. Niqab is not even from Islam. Some of these extremist Muslims ruin all our daw'ah and negotiation efforts. Why can't they just obey the law? Because of these we get backlash in the media and public. They should move to Saudi Arabia if they want to wear niqab so badly and keep living in 7th century by remaining in control of men.

How are they bringing shame and why should they move to saudia?

We need to invite our non-Muslim friends to Islam. They are very peaceful and not against Islam or Muslims. And we should work with them to eliminate these extremist Islamists.

"Eliminate?' so now you're suggesting that we 'eliminate' people because they prefer to wear a piece of cloth, brilliant.

SubhaanAllah, what a brave sister! May Allah reward her abundantly, ameen. Maybe some of the munafiqeen learn a lesson from her.

May Allah protect our sisters in France, keep them steadfast and make a way out for them, ameen.

Sum aameen and

though this statement is not in line with the above statement of your post..

 

[Pygoscelis]

I'll say what I always say when this is brought up. These women should be allowed to wear niqab, and indeed burka if they wish, anywhere I can wear a ski mask. Why we cover our faces should not be relevant and no special rules should oppose doing so for religious reasons, or allow doing so for religious reasons.

They were on a public street just walking along it would seem? I see no reason why we shouldn't be allowed to wear masks in such a place. If this was in a courthouse or bank or airport or something that would be different.

 

[Pygoscelis]

Some of these extremist Muslims ruin all our daw'ah and negotiation efforts. Why can't they just obey the law?

Is there more to this story? From what I can tell all they did was cover their faces in public. That isn't extremist. And if the law is unjust, they are good and brave to oppose it and bring it into higher courts to test it. I'm not very familiar with the French system, but in my country this kind of case could get the law struck down if it is unconstitutional, and it very well may be.

 

[~Raindrop~]

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[Who Am I?]

I don't know for sure, but I THINK brother MSalman may have meant that first part of his post as sarcasm. At least that's how I interpreted it.

 

[Ğħαrєєвαħ]

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[GuestFellow]

I'll say what I always say when this is brought up. These women should be allowed to wear niqab, and indeed burka if they wish, anywhere I can wear a ski mask. Why we cover our faces should not be relevant and no special rules should oppose doing so for religious reasons, or allow doing so for religious reasons.

They were on a public street just walking along it would seem? I see no reason why we shouldn't be allowed to wear masks in such a place. If this was in a courthouse or bank or airport or something that would be different.

The reason why Muslim women wear the Niqaab is because for religious reasons. They also feel that people should judge them on what they have to say. When you see a women wearing a Niqaab, you know that she is a Muslim who is practicing Islam.

You want to wear a ski mask. Why?

 

[MSalman]

I don't know for sure, but I THINK brother MSalman may have meant that first part of his post as sarcasm. At least that's how I interpreted it.

wa'alaykum as-salaam

Jazak Allah khayran - at least someone picked the sarcasm; I thought it was pretty obvious. I don't think my sense of humour/sarcasm is that bad. :hiding:

 

[Ğħαrєєвαħ]

wa'alaykum as-salaam

Jazak Allah khayran - at least someone picked the sarcasm; I thought it was pretty obvious. I don't think my sense of humour/sarcasm is that bad. :hiding:

I apologise for my post..

 

[Ramadhan]

You want to wear a ski mask. Why?

Pygo has a point there.

I'd like to know more about the details of this niqab-banning law: whether it specifically bans niqab in public places, or whether it also bans ALL kinds of face covers.
If for example a person is allowed to walk around wearing helmet in france, but niqab is not allowed, then the french government is truly islamophobic and discriminatory and deserve to be sued all the way to european court of human rights and forced to clean up its act, including the praying in public places part.

 

[User29123]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-15013383

These crazy niqabis, they're bringing nothing but shame to Islam & Muslims. Niqab is not even from Islam. Some of these extremist Muslims ruin all our daw'ah and negotiation efforts. Why can't they just obey the law? Because of these we get backlash in the media and public. They should move to Saudi Arabia if they want to wear niqab so badly and keep living in 7th century by remaining in control of men.

We need to invite our non-Muslim friends to Islam. They are very peaceful and not against Islam or Muslims. And we should work with them to eliminate these extremist Islamists.

- SubhaanAllah, what a brave sister! May Allah reward her abundantly, ameen. Maybe some of the munafiqeen learn a lesson from her.

May Allah protect our sisters in France, keep them steadfast and make a way out for them, ameen.

They can wear it if they want as long in airports and stuff they take it off I see no problem. But ask yourself how many of these people wearing this have caused society harm? How many have banked robbed? Assaulted a person?, I don't think many would...The government is just saying its hard to identify people, they don't need to identify people? Get out of our lifes lol..

 

[Who Am I?]

wa'alaykum as-salaam

Jazak Allah khayran - at least someone picked the sarcasm; I thought it was pretty obvious. I don't think my sense of humour/sarcasm is that bad. :hiding:

I should change my name to King of Sarcasm, because most of what I say usually has some elements of sarcasm and cynicism in it, so I like to think I'm pretty good at spotting it.

At least this is what I tell myself to make myself feel better...

 

[Abz2000]

this is obviously an anti-Islamic media campaign.

if people walked around wearing surgical masks and sunglasses due to their concern of pollution and bacteria - do you think they could ban it?

it's so obvious that they're targeting the concept of Islamic dress.

also notice how they'll almost always show images of elderly or slightly overwieght women with prison-like grid bars over their eyes as a sort of psychological repulsion when discussing niqab.
when they show women in g-strings - how often do you see an elderly or overweight woman?
i think it's called perception management and promotion of decadence.

They've really deluded them.........
Remember this story?

 

[Pygoscelis]

The reason why Muslim women wear the Niqaab is because for religious reasons. They also feel that people should judge them on what they have to say. When you see a women wearing a Niqaab, you know that she is a Muslim who is practicing Islam.

You want to wear a ski mask. Why?

It doesn't matter why. That is my point. If I can cover my face, she should be allowed to cover hers. And if she can cover hers, I should be allowed to cover mine. Why we do it is irrelevant. No special rules for or against religion. That is fair.

 

[Pygoscelis]

I'd like to know more about the details of this niqab-banning law: whether it specifically bans niqab in public places, or whether it also bans ALL kinds of face covers.
If for example a person is allowed to walk around wearing helmet in france, but niqab is not allowed, then the french government is truly islamophobic and discriminatory and deserve to be sued all the way to european court of human rights and forced to clean up its act, including the praying in public places part.

Yes. This exactly.

 

[GuestFellow]

It doesn't matter why. That is my point. If I can cover my face, she should be allowed to cover hers. And if she can cover hers, I should be allowed to cover mine. Why we do it is irrelevant. No special rules for or against religion. That is fair.

I think it matters. It is not about special rules. It's to do with motivation. Some people cover their faces to commit a crime. Your already familiar with why Muslim women wear the Niqaab. So explain to me my would you want to cover your face?

I'll give you another example to demonstrate my point. Some Sikh people carry a dagger for religious reasons. I know Sikh people are not going to hurt anyone with this dagger. However, if I was carrying a dagger outside the street, would you not be concerned? I'm not a Sikh, so I can't be carrying it for religious reasons. I'm carrying it for a different reason.

 

[Mister Agenda]

Interesting point about Sikhs...I'm thinking it is one thing to allow something because it is religious and another to prohibit something because it is religious. That said, I think the French government has forgotten what 'secular' really means. It is as nonsecular to prohibit something because it is a religous practice as it is to promote something because it is a religous practice. Secularism in regards to government means that government can neither endorse nor oppress religion.

The Niqaab should be allowed anywhere someone else could wear a mask. For instance, the French can wear ski masks outdoors in most places (although it would be very odd in the summer!).

 

[GuestFellow]

^ But why would some people choose to wear a Ski mask? It does not sound like a realistic example. Can anyone here give a realistic example of someone covering their face? :/