France imposes first niqab fines

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Mister Agenda said:
Interesting point about Sikhs...I'm thinking it is one thing to allow something because it is religious and another to prohibit something because it is religious. That said, I think the French government has forgotten what 'secular' really means. It is as nonsecular to prohibit something because it is a religous practice as it is to promote something because it is a religous practice. Secularism in regards to government means that government can neither endorse nor oppress religion.
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Exactly. I wish everyone understood this.
 
Tragic Typos said:
^ But why would some people choose to wear a Ski mask? It does not sound like a realistic example. Can anyone here give a realistic example of someone covering their face? :/
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I've seen buskers (street performers) who completely covered their face as part of their costume/act in the streets of paris.
 
Mister Agenda said:
Interesting point about Sikhs...I'm thinking it is one thing to allow something because it is religious and another to prohibit something because it is religious. That said, I think the French government has forgotten what 'secular' really means. It is as nonsecular to prohibit something because it is a religous practice as it is to promote something because it is a religous practice. Secularism in regards to government means that government can neither endorse nor oppress religion.
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"Congress shall make no rule with respect to the establishment of religion, nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
 
Tragic Typos said:
I think it matters. It is not about special rules. It's to do with motivation. Some people cover their faces to commit a crime. Your already familiar with why Muslim women wear the Niqaab. So explain to me my would you want to cover your face?
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There could be any number of reasons why. None of them relevant. I could be disfigured. I could be a street performer. I could simply be shy or want to hide my identity from passerbys.

If there are valid security concerns about people wearing masks in a given area, say a bank or airport etc, then it doesn't matter what mask they wear. I could dress in a muslim woman's outfit and cover myself from head to toe and who is to know I'm not a muslim woman? If there is a valid security concern, then there is a valid security concern and no special exceptions should be made for people claiming to be muslims. If there is no valid security concern then it is really nobody's business why I want to cover my face.

I'll give you another example to demonstrate my point. Some Sikh people carry a dagger for religious reasons. I know Sikh people are not going to hurt anyone with this dagger. However, if I was carrying a dagger outside the street, would you not be concerned? I'm not a Sikh, so I can't be carrying it for religious reasons. I'm carrying it for a different reason.
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When this came to Ontario I was very much opposed to it, but then I looked at the law books and I realized that there is actually no law against me or any other non-sikh carrying a knife. There are gun ban laws. There are no knife ban laws (so long as you keep it sheathed that is), not in normal streets anyway. I very much do object to Sikhs entering court houses, banks, etc with their kirpans though. Again, there should be no special rules just because somebody claims to be and dresses like a Sikh.

This is an issue that really bothers me when people claim such special treatment over others, and one major reason why I am anti-religious.
 
Pygoscelis said:
This is an issue that really bothers me when people claim such special treatment over others, and one major reason why I am anti-religious.
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Does this mean that you are also anti-western government (french government) who have gone the complete other way, ie. denied people equal treatment?
 
Pygoscelis said:
There could be any number of reasons why. None of them relevant. I could be disfigured. I could be a street performer. I could simply be shy or want to hide my identity from passerbys.
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And those reasons are fine.

When this came to Ontario I was very much opposed to it, but then I looked at the law books and I realized that there is actually no law against me or any other non-sikh carrying a knife. There are gun ban laws. There are no knife ban laws (so long as you keep it sheathed that is), not in normal streets anyway. I very much do object to Sikhs entering court houses, banks, etc with their kirpans though. Again, there should be no special rules just because somebody claims to be and dresses like a Sikh.
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I wonder if Sikhs would consider carrying plastic kirpans...
 
Ramadhan said:


Does this mean that you are also anti-western government (french government) who have gone the complete other way, ie. denied people equal treatment?
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Yes it does. See my earlier posts in this thread.
 
Here in Holland we've got a ban on niqab also, first france then belgium, now Holland. it's spreading but slowly by those zionist governments. u need to pay a 380 euros fine when they spot you with niqab here :raging:
 
It just serves to alienate the Muslim community further and then they come and whine about 'integration' .. These people have never been anything but racists.. as to why they choose to hide that behind some 'civility' 'democracy' mask is beyond me. They should just come out & voice their intolerance since they are already going the distance & making their intolerance the law!
 
I can see why people in a non muslim country would be uncomfortable with the niqab. This is best time for hijrah. Allah will reward the muslims with something better.
 
NobleMuslimUK said:
I can see why people in a non muslim country would be uncomfortable with the niqab. This is best time for hijrah. Allah will reward the muslims with something better.
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Brother, this is exactly what I said a long time ago in a similar topic. It is time for Muslims to move from France, Holland and such, to Islamic countries, or at least countries where practicing religion is permitted.
 
makes it easier for them to carpet bomb us and call us collateral damage that way.. I get it, none of us can stand up and challenge their insta laws, even if we're natives to such countries.. sob7an Allah
where is it easier to practice Islam? Egypt? Syria? KSA? Yemen? Afghanistan? Iraq? Palestine? Tajikistan? Seems everywhere you go if you're a practicing Muslim, you're being slaughtered or pursued!
 
ßlµêßêll said:
makes it easier for them to carpet bomb us and call us collateral damage that way.. I get it, none of us can stand up and challenge their insta laws, even if we're natives to such countries.. sob7an Allah
where is it easier to practice Islam? Egypt? Syria? KSA? Yemen? Afghanistan? Iraq? Palestine? Tajikistan? Seems everywhere you go if you're a practicing Muslim, you're being slaughtered or pursued!
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Yeah, they can't bomb us if we live next door to them, eh?
 
King of Nines said:
You know I had a dream about this last week...
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this dream might mean something big.. I'm having a strange feeling after how they're singling out people and killing them where ever they are in the world, this has gone bigger than anything, and I wonder why us muslims just sit watch and cry. They have certainly changed their war tactics and make the world believe that its 'their' war ,and as if they're doing the whole world a great service by ridding it from a few nuts who have the guts to stand up and say whats right.
 
they'll keep doing it, until they create a schism, which is spoken about in the Quran by which Allah swt will distinguish the believers from the hypocrites and then huge wars will break out the biggest will be the 'mal7ama' and insha'Allah, Allah swt is promising us victory even if it will be hallow in a sense that there will be many lives lost..

and Allah swt knows best

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as-salâmu `alaykum,

I think that we are in the same situation as the jews were between the two world wars. If we don't do anything, I let you imagine what will be happening then...
 
very true but the Jews became the force running the world after said events and I have no doubt after much oppression we will gain the upper hand.. This is the first period ever in history that we're scattered without a uniting ummah, and believe me it is their greatest fear & threat that our ummah would rise, when I was in Egypt this summer, every other day they would send envoys of satanists to make sure nothing positive (Islamic) comes out of the revolution. me & my family don't travel on the same plane all together so each one of us who boarded, boarded with a story to tell. I was sitting next to stinking Marines, my dad happened to travel with a bunch of missionaries he didn't even recognize people on that flight as middle easterners at all.. Every day they spend their money and their resources to debar men from the way of God.. and we're already told of what will become of them:

[SIZE=-1]8:36] Lo! those who disbelieve spend their wealth in order that they may debar (men) from the way of Allah. They will spend it, then it will become an anguish for them, then they will be conquered. And those who disbelieve will be gathered unto hell,

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