Free will with an all knowing God.

[FS123]

I didn't take the trouble to search through the whole thread. My bad.

If you are interested, this article:

http://www.islamicperspectives.com/IslamAndDeterminism1.htm

has this to say:

Some understand forewriting as foreknowledge only and reconcile it with indeterminism as follows: man freely chooses right and wrong but God knows what he will choose. What is written by God is simply this foreknowledge. However, forewriting is often identified with foreordainment. Thus maktub and muqaddar are often used as synonyms. There is a good reason for it. There is no need to talk about divine writing if one wants to talk only of divine foreknowledge. For knowledge is written in order to transmit it to others or preserve it for oneself. Since much of God's foreknowledge is not communicated and there is no danger that God will forget anything the use of "writing" even in symbolic sense is difficult to understand in term of foreknowledge only. Moreover, "writing" often means decree or command, as for example when God says that fast is written (kutiba) for you (2:183); and in 9:51 (quoted earlier) kataba is clearly used in the sense of foreordainment and not in the sense of foreknowledge. Thus when it is said that something was written by God, it refers not only to God's foreknowledge but also his will.

Highlighted exactly says the opposite what you gave it for. It is also saying foreknowledge doesn't equal predestination. But I know of a school of thought that believes in predestination, but what that will do in this thread? Nothing, because it is not about them, it is about your misunderstanding or clear contradiction in Bible. I see what your trying to do now, you are trying to shift it on muslims... thats is not so honest. Br is right this is waste of time. Buh bye.

 

[Trumble]

Oh, I don't think so. When it comes to predestination monotheists can't agree between themselves, let alone with anybody else sticking their oar in!

 

[Ramadhan]

Oh, I don't think so. When it comes to predestination monotheists can't agree between themselves, let alone with anybody else sticking their oar in

I would not call a person worshipping a 3-persons gods monotheists, but who am I to argue, you are the expert in god .........

 

[IAmZamzam]

I would not call a person worshipping a 3-persons gods monotheists, but who am I to argue, you are the expert in god .........

Boy have you opened up a can of worms! Now there's no way we're not going off thread for at least eight pages on the subject of whether the Trinity is monotheistic. You've opened the floodgates.

 

[Woodrow]

Boy have you opened up a can of worms! Now there's no way we're not going off thread for at least eight pages on the subject of whether the Trinity is monotheistic. You've opened the floodgates.

That is not about to happen. This thread was answered adequately in this post.

How long is this thread going to go on with everyone refusing to get it??? There are only so many different ways you can explain to someone that knowing what will happen is not the same thing as causing it to happen yourself. And everything else is covered by the link and explanation I gave about the Islamic conception of what free will does and does not entail. (This isn't about words: if you want to call it "free will", "free action", or "free pancakes with every purchase of limeade", go right ahead. What matters is the concept.) This thread is getting pointless. If people don't want to understand, you can't make them. (How long do you suppose it will be before Trumble quotes that sentence back at me and says, "My point exactly!"?)

That is all that needs to be said. Thread is now locked.