French Muslim war graves defaced

Izyan said:
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I've got that now. :thumbs_up
 
The_Prince said:
yes there were pro-nazi arabs, but does that mean they supported the mass extermination of jews? not really, there was NAZIS themselves even some who were close to hitler including his secretary who didnt know what was going on to the jews, such as the mass extermination.

everyone assumes that each single nazi knew of what was happening at the camps and so on, yet thats not so, so being a nazi ally at the time does not mean you were involved in jewish holocaust nor does it mean you supported it.
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That's not necessarily true. These camps were not exactly small and the public had a big hand in rounding up Jews, Gypsies, black and other undesireables. Where did you think the general public thought these people were going? Not every single Nazi knew they were being killed but they didn't think they were going on Holiday either.
 
Izyan said:
Have you read any of my posts before you decided to reply? I said the desecration of the graves were a disgrace. I also said that they were ignorant because muslims also fought with the Axis forces in WWII. Husyani was the Mufti of Jerusalem. Even though Palestine at the was a British Mandate they effectively had control at the time as the 1929, 36-39 revolts proved. Muslims did fight the Alies in Iraq, Egypt, and Serbia. How I know? Because my Grandfather was one of them ( a fact I'm not proud of). As for your Catholic comment, yes the Roman Catholic church has a burden to bare when it comes to Nazism and the Holocaust but aren't we talking about muslims here? By the way I'm not codemning all muslims. There were many muslims that also helped the Jews escape prosecution.
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quote:They are ignorant. First of all many Muslims were allied with Nazi Germany. Arabs attacked the British Garrison in Baghdad with promises from the Third Reich of air support (which never came). The Grand Mufti of Palestine was a huge proponent of the "Final Solution" and was put in charge of his own SS unit made up of mostly muslims in Serbia.

That was your first post, in which you stated that " many Muslim were allied with Nazi Germany". You did say they were ignorant, but you made no mention of Muslims who fought alongside their allies!You have now also tried to imply that large populations of Syria, Palestine and other Arab countries were supporters of the Nazi State. Again, more historical half truths!


ps.What many people forget is that many peoples of the colonized world simply saw the second world war as war between European tribes, as a war of good vs evil, since they had brutally suffered under the hands of the allied colonies!
 
Omar_Mukhtar said:
quote:They are ignorant. First of all many Muslims were allied with Nazi Germany. Arabs attacked the British Garrison in Baghdad with promises from the Third Reich of air support (which never came). The Grand Mufti of Palestine was a huge proponent of the "Final Solution" and was put in charge of his own SS unit made up of mostly muslims in Serbia.

That was your first post, in which you stated that " many Muslim were allied with Nazi Germany". You did say they were ignorant, but you made no mention of Muslims who fought alongside their allies!You have now also tried to imply that large populations of Syria, Palestine and other Arab countries were supporters of the Nazi State. Again, more historical half truths!


ps.What many people forget is that many peoples of the colonized world simply saw the second world war as war between European tribes, as a war of good vs evil, since they had brutally suffered under the hands of the allied colonies!
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So wait were they allied with the Nazi regime because they thought the "colonial" world was evil or they allied themselves with the Allies even though they were evil? It has to be one of the other because there were a lot of battles on muslim soil. Be careful with your words as not to paint yourself in a corner.
 
I made a typo, what I meant was that " as opposed to a war of good of evil". Many people would have seen the war as Europeans struggle over who controls the world.

Anyway, people were allied with different political groups due the locality, political desires and objectives. All of these actors need analyzing need and understanding in their in the historical contexts they occured. WHat made one man in East Africa fight for the Italians and one another fight for the British? Because one was a Facist and the other was a good guy? Propably not....



Some our self appointed historians will make statements such as, " Many Muslims were allied to Nazism" or "facts" such as, " Large populations in Palestine and Syria......". Thus making gross generalizations of entire groups of people and then expecting people to swallow these opinions as facts.

So put the evidence on the table: WERE the majority of Muslims( populations) allied to Nazism as you seem to be implying? Or am I misinterpreting your words?
 
Omar_Mukhtar said:
I made a typo, what I meant was that " as opposed to a war of good of evil". Many people would have seen the war as Europeans struggle over who controls the world.

Anyway, people were allied with different political groups due the locality, political desires and objectives. All of these actors need analyzing need and understanding in their in the historical contexts they occured. WHat made one man in East Africa fight for the Italians and one another fight for the British? Because one was a Facist and the other was a good guy? Propably not....



Some our self appointed historians will make statements such as, " Many Muslims were allied to Nazism" or "facts" such as, " Large populations in Palestine and Syria......". Thus making gross generalizations of entire groups of people and then expecting people to swallow these opinions as facts.

So put the evidence on the table: WERE the majority of Muslims( populations) allied to Nazism as you seem to be implying? Or am I misinterpreting your words?
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Majority and many are 2 different words with 2 different implications. One million people out of one billion would be many people but it would be a small minority would it not?
 
it's horrible the level to which some will stoop in their blind hate.

i find this ironic:
In a similar attack in April 2007, Nazi slogans and swastikas were painted on about 50 graves in the Muslim section of the cemetery.
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the jews and the muslims have the same enemies, but neither realize it.
 
Izyan said:
Yes and no. There was a large muslim population in Palestine, Syria, and Iraq that were Pro Nazi. They saw the Nazis as a great partner to realize their dream of Greater Syria.
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Accusing muslims of supporting nazism is highly wrong, because do we want it or not, nazism was our european thing and invention. Thats why we should bow our heads in shame and not accusing others.
 
Aaron85 said:
Accusing muslims of supporting nazism is highly wrong, because do we want it or not, nazism was our european thing and invention. Thats why we should bow our heads in shame and not accusing others.
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What is more important to consider is what set the framework for a Nazi war machine in the first place...which was dire economic hardship and a victim mentality left over from WWI. Those who have picked up the mantle of Nazism are usually outcast teens who feel like they are victims of a multicultural state. We should never underestimate the influence this kind of stuff has on youth. In fact, Hitler was considered a political comedy before the rise of the Third Reich and the invasion of Poland.
 
Respected brothers, sisters and dudes,

Please let us not drive this topic... off-topic with excessive talk about the holocaust, the Nazi regime and Commanche. It will result in the most heinous removals of your most savoury posts that you have put much work and effort into.

This topic is about the most non-triumphant desecrations of French Muslim war graves.

Be excellent to each other and party on dudes!
 
Muezzin said:
Respected brothers, sisters and dudes,

Please let us not drive this topic... off-topic with excessive talk about the holocaust, the Nazi regime and Commanche. It will result in the most heinous removals of your most savoury posts that you have put much work and effort into.

This topic is about the most non-triumphant desecrations of French Muslim war graves.

Be excellent to each other and party on dudes!
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Well, I believe the Nazi aspect was brought up because those who desecrated these graves are more than likely neo-nazis, or of similar ideology. There are more of them around than one might think.
 
Keltoi said:
In fact, Hitler was considered a political comedy before the rise of the Third Reich and the invasion of Poland.
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Hitler was a serious problem way before the invasion of Poland. Britain and France just insisted on appeasing him until then.

before the Great Depression, on the other hand, he was a joke. He had tried to take over the country by force and failed, and the country had recovered so much that nobody felt any need to vote for extremist parties. It was only when the economic situation swung back out of control that people started becoming desperate and voted for the Nazis or the Communists.
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Fishman said:
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Hitler was a serious problem way before the invasion of Poland. Britain and France just insisted on appeasing him until then.

before the Great Depression, on the other hand, he was a joke. He had tried to take over the country by force and failed, and the country had recovered so much that nobody felt any need to vote for extremist parties. It was only when the economic situation swung back out of control that people started becoming desperate and voted for the Nazis or the Communists.
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I was referring to international opinion, not in terms of the German people. The German people knew why they elected Hitler, although they had no idea what his intentions were in regards to the Holocaust. Before the Nazi war machine really started taking off, most international observers thought he was ridiculous and there were numerous parodies of him in early films.
 
lets show them the inside of a grave .... *evil face here*
and lets introduce to them the ppl they did that to
*ghetto evil face here*
 
Trumble said:
I don't think the distinction matters. The target of the vandals was not muslim veterans of either war (whichever side they happened to be on) but muslims today.
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Yeh.
I just wanted to stop all the "who allied with the nazis" stuff.
 

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