Friendship between Muslims and non-Muslims

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The very first school friend I ever had was a non-muslim. In fact, most of my child hood friends were non-muslim (there were only 4 muslims in our entire year back then)

I regularly eat halaal lunches with one my of non-muslim friends from university. It's not a big deal - he has no preference either way and I benefit from companionship and dawah - our last meet up I explained what the concept of halal meet was all about.
 
That this topic is even a question shows a major problem with Islam. It should be a no-brainer that people can be friends.
 
Pygoscelis said:
That this topic is even a question shows a major problem with Islam. It should be a no-brainer that people can be friends.
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It depends on the person of course, if a non-Muslim is trying to get me to consume alcohol or other things forbidden in Islam, I must stay away from him/her.
 
ardianto said:
Tell it to Muslims who allow non-Muslims army build some bases in their Muslim country in the war against Iraqi people.
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Yes, many Arab countries (including Saudi Arabia) and Turkey and others have betrayed Muslim countries. They still do.
 
Argamemnon said:
It depends on the person of course, if a non-Muslim is trying to get me to consume alcohol or other things forbidden in Islam, I must stay away from him/her.
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Sure it depends on the person. Just like a Muslim is trying to be friends with me in order to include me in their Islamic beliefs.

it's the same situation, no?

I try to get you to use alcohol, you try to convert me into Muslim. Both of us have hidden purposes..and this is not a good thing.
 
EllyDicious said:
Sure it depends on the person. Just like a Muslim is trying to be friends with me in order to include me in their Islamic beliefs.

it's the same situation, no?

I try to get you to use alcohol, you try to convert me into Muslim. Both of us have hidden purposes..and this is not a good thing.
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It's not my concern if you have a problem with Islam. We will invite people to Islam, not force them. If you have a problem with this then you could simply avoid Muslims. Also, you are mistaken, Muslims have to be nice to everyone, including non-Muslims, even when they reject Islam - as long as they are not hostile. We are not treating them with kindness only when inviting them to Islam.
 
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Argamemnon said:
Yes, many Arab countries (including Saudi Arabia) and Turkey and others have betrayed Muslim countries. They still do.
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Actually, I talked about fatwa, not agreement that signed by secular govt.
 
EllyDicious said:
I try to get you to use alcohol, you try to convert me into Muslim. Both of us have hidden purposes..and this is not a good thing.
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If those Christians are still my friends, and I am still their friends, this is because we do not have hidden purposes.
 
EllyDicious said:
Sure it depends on the person. Just like a Muslim is trying to be friends with me in order to include me in their Islamic beliefs.

it's the same situation, no?

I try to get you to use alcohol, you try to convert me into Muslim. Both of us have hidden purposes..and this is not a good thing.
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Hahaha you know that the judge will kick you out of the court room if you present your case like this. That if you graduated .

Our hidden what lol . How can you drag me to drink alcohol? Showing me the benefits of it? Or after showing me couple of people throwing up their stomac in night club's toilets!

You have to realise that people will stay the way they are.... Independent of your openinon about them.

You brain consumed too much conspiracy theories. The black label type.
 
Argamemnon said:
It's not my concern if you have a problem with Islam. We will invite people to Islam, not force them. If you have a problem with this then you could simply avoid Muslims. Also, you are mistaken, Muslims have to be nice to everyone, including non-Muslims, even when they reject Islam - as long as they are not hostile. We are not treating them with kindness only when inviting them to Islam.
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It doesn't matter if I have a problem with Islam or not, what I was trying to say is that intentions behind a Muslim or a non-Muslim could be the same so this doesn't make Muslims any better than non-Muslims.
Just like you could avoid alcohol drinkers who obviusly wouldn't force you to drink.
 
ardianto said:
If those Christians are still my friends, and I am still their friends, this is because we do not have hidden purposes.
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I know. I was referring to the example Argamemnon gave about non-muslim drinkers.
 
EllyDicious said:
It doesn't matter if I have a problem with Islam or not, what I was trying to say is that intentions behind a Muslim or a non-Muslim could be the same so this doesn't make Muslims any better than non-Muslims.
Just like you could avoid alcohol drinkers who obviusly wouldn't force you to drink.
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I still don't understand what your 'objections' are. Do you think it's wrong if I avoid a non-Muslim who is trying to persuade me to consume alcohol or commit fornication?
 
Friendship with non-muslims is not opposed in Islam in any way. But this friendship must stop when it involves harm to muslims or disrespect to Islam. friendship or brotherhood in humanity is recommended in Islam, but not alliance against muslims (what some muslim countries are doing against each other with alliance with non-muslim governments is unacceptable).
But if we avoid harm and disrespect, nothing in Islam tells us to oppose friendship with others.
 
Getoffmyback said:
Hahaha you know that the judge will kick you out of the court room if you present your case like this.
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Maybe judges of Islam yes. But judges over here wouldn't be so narrow-minded.

Argamemnon said:
I still don't understand what your 'objections' are. Do you think it's wrong if I avoid a non-Muslim who is trying to persuade me to consume alcohol or commit fornication?
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I didn't say it's wrong of you to avoid non-muslim drinkers. Just like it wouldn't be wrong of me to avoid a Muslim who is trying to persuade me to become Muslim or impose me his beliefs.

Was I was meaning is that, sometimes, both Muslims and non-Muslims have hidden purposes in a friendship that we should be careful about.
 
Argamemnon said:
Which fatwa, by whom? What does this fatwa say?
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Not by Turk scholar, but by a Great Scholar from other Muslim country during Gulf War.

But I am sorry brother, I cannot give you a further information in this forum. That fatwa was known as controversial fatwa.
 
marwen said:
Friendship with non-muslims is not opposed in Islam in any way. But this friendship must stop when it involves harm to muslims or disrespect to Islam. friendship or brotherhood in humanity is recommended in Islam, but not alliance against muslims (what some muslim countries are doing against each other with alliance with non-muslim governments is unacceptable).
But if we avoid harm and disrespect, nothing in Islam tells us to oppose friendship with others.
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Don't see anything wrong with that. As a matter of fact, it's a good thing. It's just an Islamic version of not wanting to get involved with the wrong sort of non-believer crowd.
 
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