from a few days ago in Egypt-- enjoy

[جوري]

Egypt was once as solidly Christian as it is now mostly Muslim. Many Copts converted to Islam over the centuries, but a significant community still remains. Not for much longer, from the looks of things.

actually it wasn't solidly christian- Egyptians by their very nature are religious people and that has changed with every messenger.. what they were solidly were worshipers of amun ra and speakers of demotic after its evolution from three other languages- thus if they want to call themselves copt and deny that Muslims are equally 'coptic' they should go back to amun ra and speaking demotic would love to see how much their dogma stands up to that were it not for Arabic elevating it and still their doctrine isn't transcendent..
I have no desire for their elimination- they have lived with us homogeneously for centuries and many of them from Gabhat ad'dameer are in solidarity with the chosen elected president and the constitution a notable speaker from them is Neveen Malak..
best,

 

[جوري]

Very true. And often it is the minority groups, which suffer the most.

surprisingly it is the Muslims and their freely elected president that are made into a minority now.. btw I am curious if you heard word that Rabia Al3idwya mosque was torched with alive people in it at all so they were all unrecognizable char grill and when their folks came to claim them they wouldn't release the bodies until they signed a release stating they committed suicide!

 

[جوري]

coup sponsored by christian businessman Suwaris who is most famous and made his billions building spy towers in Iraq to spy for Israel & America!
come speak to me again about minorities!

 

[Independent]

surprisingly it is the Muslims and their freely elected president that are made into a minority now

Meaningless.

Some Muslims support Morsi, some don't. Some supported the army coup, some don't.

 

[جوري]

Meaningless.

Some Muslims support Morsi, some don't. Some supported the army coup, some don't.

If you subscribe to the much toted democracy then it is very meaningful since he, his party & the constitution won six consecutive elections by a landslide!
who defines the terms exactly? you?

 

[Independent]

If you subscribe to the much toted democracy then it is very meaningful since he, his party & the constitution won six consecutive elections by a landslide!
who defines the terms exactly? you?

Like I said, the coup was an attack on democracy. Right now it looks like there is no prospect of a meaningful election for years to come.

 

[جوري]

What you say evolves as your knowledge of the situation or lack thereof is exposed to everyone!

 

[glo]

Now is not the time for tit-for-tats of conspiracy theories and scapegoating.

That's exactly what is tearing Egypt apart and diving the nation!

And as always it's the ordinary people who suffer the most, the ones who simply want to live in peace, raise their children, practice their faith and be safe.

Now is the time for people to stand together and demand equal rights for all.
Now is the time to not allow the powers to be to let the nation be divided - whether between different faiths or within the same faith. People need to stand united!

Many countries have expressed their horror at the violence which the military has unleashed. Hopefully this will help in putting more pressure on the interim government to moderate its practices.

I am praying for peace in Egypt.

 

[جوري]

everyone has to bless the thread with their pearls I guess when they've never even stepped foot inside Egypt or know its history!

 

[Independent]

What you say evolves as your knowledge of the situation or lack thereof is exposed to everyone!

No, I am repeating what i said in my first post: Whatever else this coup is, it is most definitely an attack on democracy. In fact it is hard to see how democracy can be attempted here again for many, many years to come.

The Muslim Brotherhood will survive this coup, democracy will not.

 

[جوري]

I guess we should wipe clean all the other crap stuffing in between? Too bad I quoted it!

 

[glo]

The fact that any place of worship is being attacked, be that a mosque or church is wrong. I see the above articles are playing the blame game, blaming brotherhood supporters, on the basis of pro-Mursi slogans being heard from the mouth of some of the attackers, an a fake pro-Mursi looking website created condoning the attacks. Anyone can shout slogans or create a website. The Muslim Brotherhood has categorically denied involvement in, and support for, such attacks: http://www.ikhwanweb.com/article.php?id=31246 They have said they have not done it, but by the same token have not played the blame game, and haven't tried to lay the finger of blame at anyone without solid evidence.
The so-called Muslim Times, is an Ahmadi/Qadiyani news blog. Here's one article of proof, though there are loads, where they refer to their fifth caliph: http://www.themuslimtimes.org/2013/...elebrate-ahmadiyya-muslim-jamaat-uk-centenary). The Ahmadis/Qadiyanis, while using the name Muslim, are categorically not Muslim. So we cannot use that as evidence to justify that Muslims themselves are admitting that Muslims are attacking churches. That article, is very tabloid and sensationalist in nature. On the contrary there are articles which mention that "arsonists" attacked churches, or that churches were attacked, mentioning the tensions there have been, without laying blame, as right now it is not possible to do so. One of those is here:http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/...m-brotherhood-denies-attacks-on-churches?lite . The fact is, that nobody knows who is attacking the churches, but whoever it is, should stop attacking churches, mosques, and the Egyptian populace at large.

Thank you for adding those articles, sister Insaanah.
I found another one which makes reference to the arsonists being thugs and imams calling to protect the local churches.
http://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/africa/6969-church-vicar-in-al-minya-the-baltigya-thugs-burnt-the-churches
I can't understand the video footage. Perhaps somebody can explain what's being said.

Salaam

 

[Insaanah]

Please do not make personal remarks about members, and stick to the topic at hand. That goes for everyone. Thank you.

 

[جوري]

Sister can you recommend any good arabic news stations as I have heard bad things about both alarabiya and aljazeera but I never hear of any other news channels that are available online. jazaaki Allahu khair

They don't like aljazeera because it exposes them on the air and yesterday they burned Ramses (a building) didn't put the fire out then ontv state TV owned by suwaris said there was fire extending to the mosque they released this news before it happened a sister named shaima who's now in custody and we know nothing about her sent live recordings from inside the mosque to aljazeera while the state ******* Channel was saying there were armed terrorists inside aljazeera exposed their lies and continues to which is why they keep kicking them out they spoil their plans foreign correspondents with cameras and one of them for sky news died - you can also try yarmuk and there are a few others when I go home in shaa Allah I will give them to you and thank you!

 

[Abz2000]

[MENTION=6705]glo[/MENTION]

Now is the time for people to stand together and demand equal rights for all.
Now is the time to not allow the powers to be to let the nation be divided - whether between different faiths or within the same faith. People need to stand united!

Now the illusion of "democracy" has been exposed as a falsehood by it's own pretenders.
Now is the time to cast aside the falsehoods like a good christian and rather than stand for the leadership of infudelity say:



Our Lord who art in heaven,
hallowed be your name.
Your Kingdom come,
your will be done,on earth
as it is in heaven
Give us today our daily bread.
Forgive us our sins,
as we forgive those who sin against us.
Lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.
For the kingdom,
the power and the glory are yours.
Now and for ever.
Amen.

Because the Muslims calling for Caliphate live and die by that motto.
There is no personal revenge, the infidel forces repent and denounce their riddah, and they Must be forgiven.
*

 

[جوري]

You tell em ABZ and also anyone who's as sick if the bull as I am- they've used 'damdam' bullets israeli made on peaceful protesters that explode once inside the victims and killed thousands then you always find someone wanting to milk it for they could potentially be the victims of something untoward! Ugh

 

[sister herb]

[MENTION=6705]glo[/MENTION]

Now the illusion of "democracy" has been exposed as a falsehood by it's own pretenders.

I can see that democracy has been illusion in the country where during its the recent history hasn´t had any kind of democratic rulers, just only dictators. Getting workable, western-like democracy (if they even want that one) might takes decades and many generations - a lot of more time and work than one elections.

 

[sister herb]

I think those Muslims who are making du3a for peace should also make du3a for success for those who seemed to be striving for Islamic rule in Egypt... they were chosen by the people, they have the right to defend themselves against this unprovoked attack. We as Muslims should support the people who would work to put into place an Islamic system in Egypt and I hope we will see it in sha Allah

Salam alaykum

Isn´t peace and islamic rule quite same matter? I make dua for peace to all people in Egypt, no for more massacres of innocents.

Who are now the people whose try to put islamic rules to Egypt?

 

[faithandpeace]

May Allah (swt) bring justice to the Egyptian people and rid the land of oppressers be they kaffirs or munafiqeen. May Allah (swt) bring peace to the righteous in Egypt be they Muslims or Ahl Al-Kitaab. May Allah (swt) help us all to expose the truth to the world of what is going on and bring hope and faith to those who are righteous and bring shame and fear to the wrongdoers until they change their evil ways. Ameen.

 

[faithandpeace]

I may still be new to Islam but my understanding is that there is no separation of church and state in Islam, none whatsoever. Therefore, those calling themselves Muslims and advocating against a Sharia state in Egypt preferring instead a secular state are instead demonstrating apostasy from Islam and therefore become munafiqueen. There is no "liberal, progressive, or secular" Islam. There is Islam or non-Islam. The Western states such as the U.S. that routinely demonstrate support for munafiq Muslim groups and regimes that oppose Sharia do so in the false guise of defending human rights. The truth is they do it for the purpose of installing, maintaining, or expanding finance capital in the area. This is incompatible with Sharia banking and therefore feared and fought against. It is indeed a War on Islam because Islam is a threat to the capitalist banking system everywhere where Muslims choose to favor an Islamic system as opposed to their system. A united ummah and restored kalifate that doesn't need their profit system is what they don't want but that is just what we need insha'Allah. And Allah(swt) knows best.