from a few days ago in Egypt-- enjoy

[sister herb]

^^ Hopely that now doesn´t mean to someones that if muslims don´t support MB as ruling of Egypt, they are disbelievers?

hew

 

[WarriorforMarie]

The answer to your simple question is in the Quran if u actually cared to read it:إِنّا أَنزَلنَا التَّورىٰةَ فيها هُدًى وَنورٌ ۚ يَحكُمُ بِهَا النَّبِيّونَ الَّذينَ أَسلَموا لِلَّذينَ هادوا وَالرَّبّٰنِيّونَ وَالأَحبارُ بِمَا استُحفِظوا مِن كِتٰبِ اللَّهِ وَكانوا عَلَيهِ شُهَداءَ ۚ فَلا تَخشَوُا النّاسَ وَاخشَونِ وَلا تَشتَروا بِـٔايٰتى ثَمَنًا قَليلًا ۚ وَمَن لَم يَحكُم بِما أَنزَلَ اللَّهُ فَأُولٰئِكَ هُمُ الكٰفِرونَIt was We who revealed the law (to Moses): therein was guidance and light. By its standard have been judged the Jews, by the prophets who bowed (as in Islam) to Allah\'s will, by the rabbis and the doctors of law: for to them was entrusted the protection of Allah\'s book, and they were witnesses thereto: therefore fear not men, but fear me, and sell not my signs for a miserable price. If any do fail to judge/legislate by what Allah hath revealed, they are Disbelievers.Quran 5:44Sent using alQuran.

Abz2000. I was informed that this thread is inappropriate for this topic. Could we discuss this in a separate thread or private message?

 

[جوري]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23762970

our good friends are behind it everything from the beginning! They condemn on TV and foster the carnage under the table!

 

[جوري]

^^ Hopely that now doesn´t mean to someones that if muslims don´t support MB as ruling of Egypt, they are disbelievers?hew

Worst than disbelievers are those aiding and abetting the killing of their brothers and sisters even with a word or through gloating. IBN taymiha as he was being whipped by his jailer supplicanted against the oppressors and their aid to which the jailer replied forgive me shiekh I am but a servant who obeys am I the helper of the oppressor to which IBN taimyah replied No, you're the oppressor the helpers are those who cook your food and mend your clothes Something to ponder furthermore even if you were of those who support a pure Islamic governance and unhappy with the democratic route then you're still to support Muslims over kafirs and I remind you of suret ar'rum where the Muslims rejoiced when the Romans won the second time over the Persians even though technically they're both kafirs but at the time the Romans were still considered people of the book thus closer to us than Zoroastrians- Something to ponder over!Best,

 

[Jedi_Mindset]

^^
Makes me sick to see all those hypocrites, wallahi sometimes you can even see the evil on their faces, with those fake smirks.

 

[جوري]

Btw none of the pages open properly why don't you guys fix the problem I either have to use my phone or some third party browser some pages open in Firefox and some on aol this is nonsense I can only see page 8 on desktop! Anyone else with this problem? Uses to think it was my laptop but I got this one only three weeks ago the problem is definitely from your end!

 

[sister herb]

If you don´t support MB 100%, you gives your support to Romans and Zoroastrians? It is useful to know background of some political happenings but I am not sure if we need to go so far like to time of Romans in this thread (when many people don´t even remember happenings from few decades back).

I afraid that those some whose dare to pray for peace are much worst than disbelievers too... (including justice).

 

[جوري]

I don't understand what you wrote there and I suspect you yourself didn't understand what I wrote hence this very strange reply!

 

[sister herb]

^^ Thats very possible - thats why I modified my post a little.

Best...

 

[جوري]

It doesn't make it any better I am afraid, it is a cosmetic band aid to something very serious and deadly.. You're free to your beliefs but I'd ask that if you don't know what is going on in Egypt currently to not comment about it!

 

[sister herb]

^^ All I know about Egypt is what I have read from they political history and about those current happenings is... propaganda from the every sides.

Whose propaganda I should believe is the truth and the only truth (if there even is kind of matter)?

 

[Independent]

You're free to your beliefs but I'd ask that if you don't know what is going on in Egypt currently to not comment about it!

You love to tell everyone how ignorant they are. Yet it was you, just a few months ago, who made what is undoubtedly the worst prediction by anyone in relation to Egypt. You told us that the Egyptian army (a conscript army) is an army of the people, which would never turn its guns on the people:

Also the Egyptian army which is conscript of the people isn't going to do what was done in Algeria with the Islamists even if the kaffirs may detest it

Just how wrong can you get???

 

[جوري]

the Egyptian army is conscript of the people and the murders going on right now in the army are because they refuse to follow orders they take em out and shoot them 38 at a time and proclaim brotherhood did it- furthermore he has placed high ranking army generals under house arrests as he's afraid if betrayals and his last state address he was afraid of an assassination he hand picked those present. Those who shot at Muslims are the generals with deep pockets and are Christian but we don't have many of them in the army he himself sissy is a son of a Jewish Moroccan who moved to Egypt in the fifties and Abdul Nasser loved showing to the west how non prejudice and UN Islamic he is by hiring Christians and Jews in strategic places.Sissy suckled at Americas chest for a very long time and this coup was two yrs in the making but will blow in his face soon.Here's a tweet from a defector who's speaking of the large split inside the army amongst high ranking officials https://mobile.twitter.com/samyalhasanI almost feel sorry for you - it doesn't matter how hard you try you can never keep up or draw accurate conclusion!Best,

 

[sister herb]

Salam alaykum

Only Christians shoot MB? Or Jew Egyptians? Isn´t there any muslims in the Egyptian army? Is this the reason why some "supporters" burnt churches in Egypt? Revence is sweetest when you revence to the people who too are the most innocent to the political mess?

Oh my world! imsad

 

[Independent]

Those who shot at Muslims are the generals with deep pockets and are Christian

The Egyptian army is the 11th largest in the world and overwhelmingly Muslim. The notion that a few generals could make the best part of a million men act entirely against their will is one of the daftest suggestions you have yet made. (And that's saying something.) I also note that once again you are lining up the Christian minority for their fate.

Either way, those same generals were in position when you made your assertion a couple of months ago. How could you get it so spectacularly wrong? Because you always fit events to your views, not the other way round.

 

[جوري]

Churches were burnt from the inside I've already covered that with no casualties as opposed to mosques which were torched with people inside - there's also strong evidence of black water mercenaries some of the dead were missing kidneys which is rather an odd choice for autopsies - you want Muslims who were shot in cold blood to take the rap for crimes the others did just to stand in equal footing with their evil?
Thanks but no thanks he who hides or is silent about the truth is a devil as the Hadith goes!

I am going to bed it's after fajr and the dialogue here is boring me!
All we've to do is wait and see العاقبة للمتقين

Best,

 

[sister herb]

^^ I don´t think that christians by themselves burn they own holy places. Now we go back to the conspiracy theory section again. I see that chaos of the society cause a lot of vandalism - I don´t blame MB burning them but some of people whose believe to support them and let they rage to do what they wish.

As I know some Egyptian muslims have been safe the churches too - with christians.

Situation is not hopeless yet - if people can meet others as they common humans.

Praying the peace is also praying against chaos. And chaos helps noboby - except your real enemy.

 

[Independent]

Churches were burnt from the inside I've already covered that

Then why are you repeating it? Even if it were true, it has nothing to do with the Egyptian army's willingness to overthrow Morsi.

It would seem your inside knowledge is not as reliable as you tell us.

 

[جوري]

Inde- I am not sure what's difficult for you to grasp or understand? the ruling bodies aren't a majority in any country they just have to be strategically placed- they exercise their might behind their tanks if you follow what's going you'd have learn that entire brigades are forced to submit their weapons and they're killing in the thousands - it's a political game and war is psychological not just physical - I am not setting a minority for anything they've not set themselves up for even Neven melek who's sick of the bull of her church and the governing bodies has just resigned from gabhat a dameer with fears of excommunication stating that the pressures to be human and true to self and cause have been exceedingly difficult!
Lining up words and using them as if an authority figure isn't making much of a case for you if there's going to be an army split and I am hoping they'll just take care of sissy and his goats it would be best - it will not be like Syria on the account that in Egypt they don't put folks in the airforce based on being alawite but based on physical criteria and that's the only advantage Bashar has his air raids - we've to wait and watch but you can sit there defending 'minority rights' when we all know you don't give a fig about anyone's death as I am yet to hear a word of condemnation to what went down but you never make yourself scarce from a phoney high ground from which you're far removed!

 

[جوري]

Then why are you repeating it? Even if it were true, it has nothing to do with the Egyptian army's willingness to overthrow Morsi. It would seem your inside knowledge is not as reliable as you tell us.

I repeated it because you repeated a statement I've already corrected which tells me that you're interested in your own truth or didn't bother read!There are four corrupt branches in the Egyptian scene none of them were cleaned from the time of Mubarak they only removed the figurehead thus the church has everything to do with the coup tamarud and black bloc are nothing but church thugs and hizb alwatan!Hopefully you got it this time Best,