from a few days ago in Egypt-- enjoy

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here they're today dragging more women to jail for protesting, they've made some niqabis naked today.
http://www.twsela.com/?p=19286

they obviously don't believe in God or judgement at all but let me tell you one guy who said that if God came down he'd put him jail astghfor Allah, his name is Hamzah something, he had the worst four hour death you can imagine he was impaled in his car a horrible accident and they could do nothing for him but what him die slowly.. in shaa Allah when i find the pic of his death I'll post it, so he'll be an example to those who never take heed!
 
there he is and may the others like him follow suit in this life and the worst of hell in the here after Allahoumma ameen

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http://uagenius.blogspot.com/2013/10/Bassiouny.html hamza elbasyoony was his name!
 
Inna lillaahi wa inna ilayhi raaji'oon.

What an ignorant man to say something like that and what a way to die. I don't think it's a co-incidence that he died in this way.

Aa'oodhu billahi min dhalik.
 
جوري;1599294 said:
here they're today dragging more women to jail for protesting, they've made some niqabis naked today.
http://www.twsela.com/?p=19286

they obviously don't believe in God or judgement at all but let me tell you one guy who said that if God came down he'd put him jail astghfor Allah, his name is Hamzah something, he had the worst four hour death you can imagine he was impaled in his car a horrible accident and they could do nothing for him but what him die slowly.. in shaa Allah when i find the pic of his death I'll post it, so he'll be an example to those who never take heed!

Put Allah (swt) in "jail?" That is an ignorant statement for someone to make! As to his method of death had a believer been put through those circumstances, he likely would have used those four hours wisely as a final opportunity to repent to Allah (swt). While instinctually we consider the process of dying to be unpleasant and frightening, a Muslim will consider it a normal process in Allah's (swt) creation and should have no fear insha'Allah.
 
:salam:

It's nice to see men of reason voicing their concerns about the massacre in Eqypt.

During Mubarak's reign, people were persecuted for practising their religion openly. Some were tortured. Some mosques were shut for Fajr prayers. The practise of Islaam was being supressed. Not sure how much he was directly responsible but there were many reports of these things.

After those protesters were shot and killed and he was forced to resign, a large number of his goons loyal to him with support from their allies in the West, made sure that the president that comes after him would not succeed.

This coup was an organized effort to suppress Islaam in Eqypt, plain and simple.

The people who campaign for human rights around the world were surprisingly quiet during this mass murder campaign.

They don't want to "suppress" Islam, they want to completely eradicate it and "exterminate" all Muslims who make submission to Allah (swt) their purpose in life. They want no niqab or hijab, no wudu or salat, and no Qur'an or hadith. What they want instead are dumbed-down mindless capitalist consumers of entertainment who submit solely to their animalistic desires and to those who facilitate the materialistic consumption process. If any semblance of Islam were to remain in their dream nation, they would want it restricted to Ramadan and Eid sales and bargains, masjids to be treated as works of art and architecture to be converted into historical museums, and Islamic texts and scholarship to be treated as cultural history, myth, and legend.

There are certain political, economic, and cultural systems in the world that need to die. You know which ones those are.
 
Put Allah (swt) in "jail?" That is an ignorant statement for someone to make! As to his method of death had a believer been put through those circumstances, he likely would have used those four hours wisely as a final opportunity to repent to Allah (swt). While instinctually we consider the process of dying to be unpleasant and frightening, a Muslim will consider it a normal process in Allah's (swt) creation and should have no fear insha'Allah.

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Againsts those who say that this fight isnt against islam, and this mainly directing against independent and some others, think again:

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Assalamu alaikum.

We Muslims need to become more organized. There are around 1.7 billion of us and in many cases we can't even communicate with each other effectively within our own masjids let alone come together to establish the Khilafa. I'm not sure how compromised Ikhwan/MB is but that does not make everyone in the ummah powerless and helpless regardless of where we are located. Change starts on the smallest level. I am rather disappointed in some aspects of my local Muslim community mainly being that while dedicated brothers and sisters are being slaughtered in Egypt and countless more on a consistent basis in Syria, our khutbas and halaqas are talking about wudu and salat, matters of the heart, time management, and environmentalism. Picnics, potlucks, dinners, and other social events are routinely organized yet it is made quite obvious and clear that any political discussion of any kind related to what is going on in the ummah is to be muted. That is not Islam. While I certainly think those topics and social events do have a place in Islam, they are certainly not to be a replacement for the larger more serious issues. It is not just infidels who are trying to destroy Islam. It seems as if plenty of "Muslims" are hard at work at this too. Clearly there is something going on and I don't like it. Any Muslim who can't see how clearly there is a worldwide war against Islam underway is clearly clueless in my opinion. Yet the biggest elephant in the room is what nobody seems to wish to discuss. Even this discussion board has become much quieter over the past two months. I am not advocating that Muslims in America take to the streets in violent riots over what is happening to our brothers and sisters overseas. But there needs to be some very serious dialogue going on in our local Muslim communities. I don't think I am the only one who is experiencing this suspicious silence. The truth is the truth and we should be fearing what Allah (swt) is thinking, not what Fox News or Homeland Security is thinking. It really is a sad state of affairs and it is up to us to change it insha'Allah.
 
Againsts those who say that this fight isnt against islam, and this mainly directing against independent and some others, think again:

With regard to the anti-islamic Lord Curzon quote you give - I believe it to be fabricated - can you give a source?

I know it's everywhere on Islamic websites but they are just repeating each other.
 
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These are not sources, there are examples of those sites who repeat the quote without attempting to check out its provenance. (The Shield also has a false quote from Bernard Shaw I've come across before.)

You can find any number of Islamic-related sites that repeat this quote but none of them give a proper source. Some of them claim Curzon said this in a speech in Parliament (although they don't give a date and not all the quotes are the same as each other). But there is no reference to it in Hansard (the official record of Parliamentary activities) which means it's not true.

I see that others have searched for a source for this quote too, and concluded it's a fake.
 
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Salaam

An update

Brotherhood trials stoke security fears

Pro-Morsi lawyers and analysts question whether a fair trial is possible for ousted Egyptian president.


Cairo, Egypt - A little more than four months ago, Mohamed Morsi was president of the Arab Republic of Egypt.

The nation's ministers, after being chauffeur-driven through the gates of the Presidential Palace, would conduct meetings with their head of state in one of his lofty briefing rooms. The man himself commanded the attention of leaders around the globe.

But after being toppled by his own generals on July 3 and whisked into solitary confinement, Morsi today faces a trial that could eventually lead to his execution. Thousands of his supporters have been rounded up by the security services, while the Muslim Brotherhood is being subjected to one of the most relentless campaigns of oppression in its long history. The military, say observers, may be hoping to drive a final nail into the Brotherhood's coffin by using today's trial to finish off its most high-profile political martyr. "It is the government's dream to end the organisation," said Bahey el-Din Hassan, head of the Cairo Institute For Human Rights.

But Morsi's supporters say the former president - who once stood in Tahrir Square surrounded by sunglass-wearing security men, and bared his chest to prove he was not afraid of an assassin's bullet - is the victim of a show trial.

Despite being drastically weakened by a campaign of arrests and detentions, they have vowed to oppose courtroom proceedings by continuing their weekly street protests. Like a Nile River mosquito buzzing through the officers' mess, the Brotherhood has become a nuisance to the military that refuses to go away - however hard the authorities try to swat it.

"The revolution will continue until we have realised our democracy," said Muslim Brotherhood-supporting journalist Hassan al-Kabary, speaking to Al Jazeera.

Security fears

Morsi and other top Brotherhood officials are charged with inciting violence that led to the killing of protesters outside the Presidential Palace last December. The former president hasn't been seen in public since being detained. Right up until the eve of the trial, the authorities had still not confirmed exactly where proceedings would be taking place - a state of affairs that may have resulted from the considerable security operation surrounding the case. It later emerged it would happen inside a police academy in the capital Cairo.

Nor has anyone announced whether the proceedings would be televised, as they were during former president Hosni Mubarak's trial. The former president is being tried alongside 14 other Brotherhood members, including high-profile leaders Mohammed el-Beltagi and Essam el-Erian. Some 20,000 police officers were drafted to provide security, according to officials. A statement was also released by the authorities saying any attempt by protesters to approach the courtroom would be met with a severe response.

Given the determination of Morsi's supporters to mount of show of street power, there is a serious danger of clashes erupting.

"Democracy is on trial and the people's voice is on trial," said Omar Gaber, a Brotherhood member from Zagazig, Morsi's hometown. "We will protest to put pressure on the military and the government to abide by the law."

But any overwhelming displays of dissent are likely to be met in brutal fashion if they happen to get too close to the courthouse. Human Rights Watch has released a report on a demonstration last month in which security forces killed 57 mainly Islamist protesters

The rights group condemned Egypt's authorities for failing to investigate the attacks, which occurred when Morsi supporters mounted an anti-government rally during the annual October 6 commemoration of Egypt's last war with Israel.

It seems likely security forces will respond as they did last month if pro-Morsi rallies get out of hand. But of perhaps equal concern to the former president's allies is whether the deposed leader can hope to get a fair trial.

Guilty verdict?

Egypt's current government - led by an interim president propped up on by the military - now faces a problem: How to mount a credible case when your political authority rests upon a guilty verdict? Under these heavily politicised circumstances, where an acquittal for Morsi would invalidate the actions of the army, some analysts have suggested the former president cannot hope to receive a fair trial.

Emad el-Din Shahin, a Cairo-based politics professor, questioned the circumstances surrounding Morsi's detention and also the procedural issues related to the case. He noted that according to Egypt's 2012 constitution - which was widely rejected by the country's non-Islamist political forces - the former president has not been removed from power legally. He also said, given the charges against Morsi relating to the killing of protesters last year, that the Minister of the Interior at the time should also be in the dock. The fact that he is not, said Shahin, suggests that justice is being "selective."

“This is the environment he is going to be tried in,” said Shahin.

Mohamed al-Damaty is a spokesman for a team of lawyers attempting to observe the proceedings on Morsi’s behalf. He said of the 25 attorneys volunteering, only five received permits to enter the court. Some 7,000 pages of court files requested weeks earlier were only received Sunday night, Damaty said. Shahin said many of the people who had supported the military’s intervention on July 3 were now beginning to regret it. Even if that is the case, there are nevertheless huge numbers of people who do not regret it.

General Abdel Fattah el-Sisi, Egypt's army chief, is massively popular on the streets, in no small part because of his role in the crackdown against the Muslim Brotherhood over the past three months.

The fate of Bassem Youssef - the Egyptian satirist whose show was cancelled on Friday by his bosses after only its first episode - shows why many of the country's most influential figures are also reluctant to question the military's ascendency.

Some argue that, in a broader sense for the country, the trial of Morsi and other Brotherhood leaders will not influence the current political climate. According to US-based Egypt analyst Nathan Brown, the trials won't upend the political "roadmap" that was laid out for the masses following his ouster.

Even if Egyptian justice was guilty of being selective, the system had checks in place that meant individual cases could be processed effectively, said Brown.

"The Brotherhood is clearly not going to be an electoral political actor for the present, and the trial will not change that," he said. "The 'roadmap' is going ahead regardless of what happens with Morsi."

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2013/11/brotherhood-trials-stoke-security-fears-201311472424333970.html
 
These are not sources, there are examples of those sites who repeat the quote without attempting to check out its provenance. (The Shield also has a false quote from Bernard Shaw I've come across before.)

You can find any number of Islamic-related sites that repeat this quote but none of them give a proper source. Some of them claim Curzon said this in a speech in Parliament (although they don't give a date and not all the quotes are the same as each other). But there is no reference to it in Hansard (the official record of Parliamentary activities) which means it's not true.

I see that others have searched for a source for this quote too, and concluded it's a fake.

Even if its fake, the west hides by fighting islam claiming they fight 'terrorists' while the other side publicly express their will to fight for muslim unity and caliphate and get rid of the US bases/interests in the region. Bush stated that he fight militants who want to set up a islamic caliphate, yet he says that the caliphate/unity idea is extremism while it is in the qu'ran and which every muslim should strive for. Lord Curzon's statements may be fabricated however i do see it happening in the last 60 years. Every ruler who spoke out against israel, US or spoke about muslim unity has been overthrown, toppled or killed.

Morsi the latest example.
 
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Even if its fake
Not only is it a fake, but it's one of many. Islamic related sites are littered with similarly unattributable quotes from prominent figures. Who is writing them? They don't happen by accident.

Once a quote like this is picked up by one Islamic site, it's swiftly copied across any number of others. Eventually it convinces simply because it's in so many places. Many similar quotes have been around for decades without anyone checking provenance. They say what people want to believe - because that's why they were written.
 
Assalamu alaikum.

We Muslims need to become more organized. There are around 1.7 billion of us and in many cases we can't even communicate with each other effectively within our own masjids let alone come together to establish the Khilafa. I'm not sure how compromised Ikhwan/MB is but that does not make everyone in the ummah powerless and helpless regardless of where we are located. Change starts on the smallest level. I am rather disappointed in some aspects of my local Muslim community mainly being that while dedicated brothers and sisters are being slaughtered in Egypt and countless more on a consistent basis in Syria, our khutbas and halaqas are talking about wudu and salat, matters of the heart, time management, and environmentalism. Picnics, potlucks, dinners, and other social events are routinely organized yet it is made quite obvious and clear that any political discussion of any kind related to what is going on in the ummah is to be muted. That is not Islam. While I certainly think those topics and social events do have a place in Islam, they are certainly not to be a replacement for the larger more serious issues. It is not just infidels who are trying to destroy Islam. It seems as if plenty of "Muslims" are hard at work at this too. Clearly there is something going on and I don't like it. Any Muslim who can't see how clearly there is a worldwide war against Islam underway is clearly clueless in my opinion. Yet the biggest elephant in the room is what nobody seems to wish to discuss. Even this discussion board has become much quieter over the past two months. I am not advocating that Muslims in America take to the streets in violent riots over what is happening to our brothers and sisters overseas. But there needs to be some very serious dialogue going on in our local Muslim communities. I don't think I am the only one who is experiencing this suspicious silence. The truth is the truth and we should be fearing what Allah (swt) is thinking, not what Fox News or Homeland Security is thinking. It really is a sad state of affairs and it is up to us to change it insha'Allah.
The problem as I see it and a small microcosm of it on this forum is people converting to Islam and they haven't a clue of its basic tenets. I don't know how one can organize against that. When you have a defined enemy it is good and understandable .. the problem has always been of the enemy from within, the one most can't recognize.. and it is precisely why the scholar Ibn Taymiyaah stated, have one 'bullet' for your enemy and nine for the traitors within..

at any rate now we know what John Kerry was doing in Egypt..
 
It is against our religion to knowingly tell lies so if Muslims are purposely creating fake stories then they are committing sins.
 
essentially that is the plan of the sykes picot agreement whether troll like individuals mouth out the words or carry it out in deeds it is all the same in the end!
 
Salaam

جوري;1599457 said:
essentially that is the plan of the sykes picot agreement whether troll like individuals mouth out the words or carry it out in deeds it is all the same in the end!

Yes, Independent misses the point with laser like intensity. For what its worth if he wants a different to attempt to understand why certain Western powers are so obsessed with controlling the fate of the Middle East, heres a good place to start.

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Anyway found this lecture on the current situation in Egypt, worth a listen.

 
I skip over his posts completely. It is like being dragged down by a rotted rope when the hills ahead are already steep!
 
Independent misses the point with laser like intensity.
Actually I was specifically asked to reply to a certain quote, and I replied to it specifically. With a laser like quality if you wish to be flattering.

For me, it would be worrying why there are so many faked quotes with regards to conspiracy theories and Islamic related subjects. it would seem they only trouble you if they're on the wrong side?

to attempt to understand why certain Western powers are so obsessed with controlling the fate of the Middle East, heres a good place to start.

Thank you for the reading list. Which chapter was it you wanted me to read? The one where he condemns the Armenian genocide? Or would you prefer us to skip that one?
 
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