From What Age Are You Allowed To Marry In Islam?

[genki]

I think that would depend on how they grew up/'level' of maturity . some teenages are really mature for their age.

Agreed! I was very mature so upbringing parents culture society habits responsibilities all has to do with it.

 

[Qingu]

Times have changed from 1885-1920, the cultures that you'd need to criticize in this instance would be western ones as well, as cited 'age of consent' in the state of Delaware was 7 not even 9, i.e pre-menarche

Not sure what your point is—do you think I support such a low age of consent? I'm certainly glad they raised it.

I don't think 'driving' is/was an issue at that point, as you have just stated in your other thread, the advances of our time might appear to those 400 years ago as sorcery.. times have changed and expectations have changed, but there are many who still live with tribal customs, just turn on the 'travel chanel' on your TV sometimes, you'd be surprised how many still exist. I think they'd probably laugh at your suggestion of education and cars, when they barely have adequate clothes.

I'm quite aware of the situation in less-developed countries. Does their lack of wealth and technology justify their cultural norms?

What do you think about child soldiers in Africa?

That is very possible and probable... but still happens in the civilized west.. here is a case of a 16 year old girl marrying her 40 year old teacher
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,285794,00.html

Again, I'm not sure what your point is. I certainly don't support a 40 year old marrying a 16 year old and I'm sure the majority of Westerners do not either, for the reasons I stated.

 

[S_87]

But the age of puberty is not in agreement with the legal age in many Western countries (18 here in the UK, or 16 with parental consent).

Do Muslims marry earlier than that, even if they live in the UK?
Certainly consumating the marriage at such age would equate to underage sex, which is illegal and punishable with imprisonment!

Hi glo

i personally dont know of any muslim in the uk married and living in the UK underage :?
having said that though, sex underage is something that not seriously taken.theres loads of teenage mothers who didnt even know the fathers of their children properly, nor have their support.and the fathers arent in jail either lol

in the west its not the norm, nor areeither males or females ready to get married at a young age. but in other countries its perfectly normal

 

[Woodrow]

My second wife was forced to marry a 40+ year old neighbor when she was 12 years old. All legal even though she objected. This was in 1949 in Roxboro, North Carolina, USA

 

[glo]

having said that though, sex underage is something that not seriously taken.theres loads of teenage mothers who didnt even know the fathers of their children properly, nor have their support.and the fathers arent in jail either lol

Teenage pregnancy in the UK is one of the highest in Europe - and not reducing by far enough!
It's a real worry, I agree!

I am not sure what the answer is. It is more complex that just advocating celibacy, of that I am sure. Kids need much support and advice in the matter of sexuality, and they do need to know how to protect themselves should things 'get out of hand'.
But the whole premarital sex thing is a different topic really, and needs its own thread elsewhere ...

My second wife was forced to marry a 40+ year old neighbor when she was 12 years old. All legal even though she objected. This was in 1949 in Roxboro, North Carolina, USA

That's horrific, Woodrow!!
How long was she married to him?

Peace

 

[Woodrow]

Teenage pregnancy in the UK is one of the highest in Europe - and not reducing by far enough!
It's a real worry, I agree!

I am not sure what the answer is. It is more complex that just advocating celibacy, of that I am sure. Kids need much support and advice in the matter of sexuality, and they do need to know how to protect themselves should things 'get out of hand'.
But the whole premarital sex thing is a different topic really, and needs its own thread elsewhere ...


That's horrific, Woodrow!!
How long was she married to him?

Peace

He abandoned her when she was 15 and had 2 children. She finally was able to get a divorce and remarried at 17. But, she had lost custody of her 2 children as she could not take care of them. Her second Husband was a lot better, but he got killed in Korea. She was 47 when I married her, we were married just short of 17 years

 

[جوري]

Not sure what your point is—do you think I support such a low age of consent? I'm certainly glad they raised it.

The point was quite simply, you'd stated it is good to rebuke and criticize such countries (not in such civil terms) and I stated the low age of consent was the case in the civilized west and not in the so distant past! and still continues to be so 'regardles of the institution of marriage)!

I'm quite aware of the situation in less-developed countries. Does their lack of wealth and technology justify their cultural norms?

it depends on the variable in the formula and how it works for them personally. If I were raised in a place where most children died before the age of five, and the life expectancy was 44, I'd probably not wait until the tender age of 27 to get hitched!

What do you think about child soldiers in Africa?

What does this have to do with marriage? You want to start another topic, I suggest you dedicate a thread to it and clean up your approach a bit if you want a civil exchange back!

Again, I'm not sure what your point is. I certainly don't support a 40 year old marrying a 16 year old and I'm sure the majority of Westerners do not either, for the reasons I stated.

The point is, it really doesn't matter what you or other westerners, or the neighbors or her parents think, she went ahead and did it anyway.

This whole thread isn't about (Qingu''s desires) and definition of 'progress' it is about what happens anyway including in the 'civilized west'!


cheers

 

[NoName55]

What do you think about child soldiers in Africa?

What does this have to do with marriage? You want to start another topic, I suggest you dedicate a thread to it and clean up your approach a bit if you want a civil exchange back!

nothing whatsoever, but everything to do with being disruptive and part of an obvious trend to put us down.

wa salam alaikum

 

[glo]

He abandoned her when she was 15 and had 2 children. She finally was able to get a divorce and remarried at 17. But, she had lost custody of her 2 children as she could not take care of them. Her second Husband was a lot better, but he got killed in Korea. She was 47 when I married her, we were married just short of 17 years

Peace, Woodrow

I know your wife has passed away.
She must have been quite woman, having had to deal with so much in her life!
Did she have any more children with her second husband?

My warmest regards

 

[Mikayeel]

are they going to lie to the registrar at a later date? now lying is Islamic too?

i dnt seem to understand??, why lie in the first place, they dnt have to know it at all, how many times do we see normal teenagers aged 16 above, having a relationship!, are they married ? no, instead of having that illegal relationship u just make it legal! thats all! and maybe at an later age u could register ur self married under the british law

 

[Malaikah]

i dnt seem to understand??, why lie in the first place, they dnt have to know it at all, how many times do we see normal teenagers aged 16 above, having a relationship!, are they married ? no, instead of having that illegal relationship u just make it legal! thats all! and maybe at an later age u could register ur self married under the british law

Just to clarify- the relationship isn't illegal, is it?

 

[Amadeus85]

i dnt seem to understand??, why lie in the first place, they dnt have to know it at all, how many times do we see normal teenagers aged 16 above, having a relationship!, are they married ? no, instead of having that illegal relationship u just make it legal! thats all! and maybe at an later age u could register ur self married under the british law

Only becauses some people commit bad things it doesnt mean that it should be allowed by law.For example,some people steal so should we legalize stealing?

 

[Mikayeel]

there seem to be a misunderstanding i am not saying breaking the law IN ANY WAY!, all i am saying is to get married under islamic ruleing!, thats all.....(besides i didnt make that up, u can marry after u become teenager),

 

[Qingu]

there seem to be a misunderstanding i am not saying breaking the law IN ANY WAY!, all i am saying is to get married under islamic ruleing!, thats all.....(besides i didnt make that up, u can marry after u become teenager),

Do you believe it would be okay for a 50-year old man to get married "Islamically" to a 12-year old girl and then marry under British law at a later date, when she is the legal age?

 

[- Qatada -]

Do you believe it would be okay for a 50-year old man to get married "Islamically" to a 12-year old girl and then marry under British law at a later date, when she is the legal age?

We've had people who claim that it's perfectly okay for a male to marry a male! Heck, we've even had some people claiming that it's moral for incest to occur so long as they don't produce offspring!


Question those rules of morality which are being promoted all over the world first

 

[Qingu]

We've had people who claim that it's perfectly okay for a male to marry a male! Heck, we've even had some people claiming that it's moral for incest to occur so long as they don't produce offspring!

Question those rules of morality which are being promoted all over the world first

Very well: I'm perfectly okay with a male marrying a male, and I would continue to ban incest until we had some meaningful way to ensure no children were born from the sex. In general, I have no problems with behavior between consenting adults, as long as it does not infringe upon others' rights or comforts.

Now how about you answer my question?

 

[Godless Heathen]

Break the secular law. It will teach them a lesson not be so liberal. It's their own fault.

 

[- Qatada -]

Now how about you answer my question?

Well then, if your argument is that it will not harm anyone and that the couple are capable for marriage, and that both are willing - then sure, they have the right to get married.

If it is against the law for them to get married at an early age, then it is better for them to get married when the law permits.


That's my answer.




Regards.

 

[Qingu]

Well then, if your argument is that it will not harm anyone and that the couple are capable for marriage, and that both are willing - then sure, they have the right to get married.

My argument specifically said "between consenting adults." I do not consider a 12-year old girl an adult capable of consent—do you?

If it is against the law for them to get married at an early age, then it is better for them to get married when the law permits.

Just to be clear: you would be against Islamic marraige if it breaks secular laws? (Such as a 50 year old man marrying a 12 year old girl?)

 

[- Qatada -]

My argument specifically said "between consenting adults." I do not consider a 12-year old girl an adult capable of consent—do you?

Well, i do. If she is mentally, emotionally, and physically fit for marriage - then she is fit for consent. Each individual differs however. So if someone is not fit for marriage at that age, then yeah - i don't agree.

Just to be clear: you would be against Islamic marraige if it breaks secular laws? (Such as a 50 year old man marrying a 12 year old girl?)

We should obey the laws of the land, so long as it doesn't lead to disobedience of God. Marriage age is influenced by culture. So in the UK, it can be at 16 - so the muslims there can follow that culture.