Frustrated at my fellow Muslims...

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AntiKarateKid said:
haha I remember I zealously tried to give dawah to these atheists in my college suite. I had jsut become religious and couldnt comprehend why they were atheist. Needless to say I wasnt knowledgeable but still could hold my own with their questions like "can God create a rock he cant lift."


My friends say I didnt stop talking about God. Anyways, after a year I have a couple of good counter Christian arguments and counter atheist arguments after debating with my atheist philosophy professor and watching alot of Deedat. Books such as "God'ed" and "MisGoded" are excellent dawah ammo against Christians.
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well, for me even in the collage....all girls are Muslims so I dont have anyone to give dawah to....so I dont have any other choices
I think there is no harm from being able to handle debates.........those books you recommended seems to be good sources, I will look at them but can you please tell me the authors of those books?......I still need to work on my knowledge to be more knowledgeable but even though, I cant accept the excuse of leaving dawah because we dont have the enough knowledge

but in general people here are doing some activities to help muslims to be better muslims........but there is no serious moves for giving dawah to non-muslims
 
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SAYA said:
well, for me even in the collage....all girls are Muslims so I dont have anyone to give dawah to....so I dont have any other choices
I think there is no harm from being able to handle debates.........those books you recommended seems to be good sources, I will look at them but can you please tell me the authors of those books?......I still need to work on my knowledge to be more knowledgeable but even though, I cant accept the excuse of leaving dawah because we dont have the enough knowledge

but in general people here are doing some activities to help muslims to be better muslims........but there is no serious moves for giving dawah to non-muslims
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The author is a professor who converted to Islam. His book is slightly humorous too.


For example: Christians say OMG Jesus can walk on water... He's DIVINE!
Author replies: Well if Jesus was around the time of Moses he wouldnt of had to.


I actually laughed out loud on that one.:D
 
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Living in America, I always found the idea of living in a predominately Muslim country fascinating.


On a sidenote for some reason I was disappointed to learn that there were irreligious arabs in Saudi Arabia. I thought... the Quran is in your language man.. whats your problem?


Even though it is blindingly obvious that there are irreligious people everwhere.
 
AntiKarateKid said:
Living in America, I always found the idea of living in a predominately Muslim country fascinating.


On a sidenote for some reason I was disappointed to learn that there were irreligious arabs in Saudi Arabia. I thought... the Quran is in your language man.. whats your problem?


Even though it is blindingly obvious that there are irreligious people everwhere.
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being Arab has nothing to do with being a good muslim at all. you will find many Arab people who can understand the Quran word by word....but come and see how they practice their religion +o(
I dunno why many people shocked when they know that there are some bad examples of Muslims among arabs :?

for such people, they really dont deserve the honor of speaking the language of Quran......la hawl wa la qwata ila billah

while you can see some other non arab people who are struggling to learn a word from Quran but they are much more better than those losers who call themselves Arab and dont practice their religion correctly

brother, about the author of the two books you mentioned "God'ed" and "MisGoded" dont you have any idea of their authors?
 
SAYA said:
being Arab has nothing to do with being a good muslim at all. you will find many Arab people who can understand the Quran word by word....but come and see how they practice their religion +o(
I dunno why many people shocked when they know that there are some bad examples of Muslims among arabs :?

for such people, they really dont deserve the honor of speaking the language of Quran......la hawl wa la qwata ila billah

while you can see some other non arab people who are struggling to learn a word from Quran but they are much more better than those losers who call themselves Arab and dont practice their religion correctly

brother, about the author of the two books you mentioned "God'ed" and "MisGoded" dont you have any idea of their authors?
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I do, in fact he was interviewed by the same guy who interviewed Jeffrey Lang.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNjMFs55POE&feature=related


The guy being interviewed is the author lol. Dr. Lawrence Brown.
 
I don't want to participate in this discussion, but all I want to say is this:

Da'wah is not limited to non muslims, one can give da'wah even to muslims, in the form of enjoining the good and forbidding the evil. Also, by clarifying things that a fellow muslim may be doing incorrectly. By trying to advise someone, and correct something in a fellow muslim's way of prayer, or hijab, or anything, one is performing da'wah. You can also spread knowledge to muslims; yes, they may be muslim, but that doesn't mean they know everything there is to know in islam. So da'wah is also done by teaching muslims.
 
I don't think all people are able to perform dawah.

First of all you need the knowledge
Then you need extremely good speaking skills, especially in the UK or people will look at you like crap
Then it depends on your situation, what kind of people you're dealing with etc.

I was about to give dawah to some christians that were handing out magazines to houses on my street, they asked if they could come in later and talk a bit about what they're doing, I said yeh and you can listen to what I have to say. next thing you know is they never turned up

So basically you can get situations like these where it easy to give dawah

So I think if any of you brothers and sisters get opportunties like this for dawah,make the most of them
 
Its not about handing out leaflets, most people are just going to dump it in the next bin they see. Giving Dawah is supposed to be the way we live..all the time how we treat other people. We should let people have a good reputation of us and respect us , then only will they listen to us. The prophet only got the revelation when he was 40...why, because he had to build his reputation as a good , honest person, a person people would believe
 
We are all capable of giving Da'wah. The most effective Da'wah for some of us is to simply live as being the best Muslim we can be and honestly answer any questions asked of us.

We also need to identify the peer group we have best communication with. No person can speak to all types of groups. At the moment I seem to have found my niche among the Oglala and Lakota of the Sioux Nation. We share much in common, mainly horses. Horses are a very major part of the Sioux life and our raising and and selling horses among the Sioux has proven to be a very effective communication asset and opens the door for being asked questions about Islam.
 
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Subhanallah, as I was reading the thread, it reminded me of the Mormons
It made me think; if those Mormons can go around with their bicycles spreading their religion
why not us Muslims? I know it’s very difficult here in the west. But I really think it could be done
amongst the neighbors at least.
this also made me sort of ashamed of my Muslims brothers and sisters and myself of course
look how much dedicated the Mormons are to their religion
you don’t see a Muslim going door-to-door spreading the religion
anyways, it’s just something to think about :)
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God-is-great said:
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Subhanallah, as I was reading the thread, it reminded me of the Mormons
It made me think; if those Mormons can go around with their bicycles spreading their religion
why not us Muslims? I know it’s very difficult here in the west. But I really think it could be done
amongst the neighbors at least.
this also made me sort of ashamed of my Muslims brothers and sisters and myself of course
look how much dedicated the Mormons are to their religion
you don’t see a Muslim going door-to-door spreading the religion
anyways, it’s just something to think about :)
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I think we can take the idea of dedicated dawah from the Mormons, but the whole going door to door thing has really given the Mormons and Jehova's Witnesses a bad reputation. We don't want to be forcing Islam on people. It's best we meet them on neutral ground to discuss Islam (in a park, in a mall, at a school, etc).

But, I do admire that they actually dedicate several years of their lives to pure dawah. I think we can learn from that, and instead of riding around to people's houses, let's hold Q&A sessions, open dawah booths at malls and parks, and give lectures and speeches.
 
God-is-great said:
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Subhanallah, as I was reading the thread, it reminded me of the Mormons
It made me think; if those Mormons can go around with their bicycles spreading their religion
why not us Muslims? I know it’s very difficult here in the west. But I really think it could be done
amongst the neighbors at least.
this also made me sort of ashamed of my Muslims brothers and sisters and myself of course
look how much dedicated the Mormons are to their religion
you don’t see a Muslim going door-to-door spreading the religion
anyways, it’s just something to think about :)
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Door to door evangelism is not a very effective means. We must always keep in mind that we can not force anybody to accept Islam and we do not want to turn people against Islam by being a nuisance. Few people seem to be receptive of JWs and Mormons who come door to door. I do not think that approach gives a good impression.

I think we need to show that we have something worth saying and encourage people to ask us to come to their homes, not impose our selves upon them.
 
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Of course we don’t want to force Islam to people
what would they think of us if we do that? I can imagine them turning the other way when seeing a Muslim or shutting the door in front of our faces
what I’m trying to get at is the fact that we should at least do something to spread Islam
im sure there are many ways this can be accomplish
your idea of holding Q&A sessions brother rpwelton, is something we should keep in mind
I think it could be done
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Personally I feel that Im nervous of explaining Islam to others, what if I am the only contact they have with Islam and I do something or say something that ruins their chance of being a Muslim and recognising the truth.
 
Q&A is a very good method of giving Da'wah.

Since I have reverted to Islam I have lived in 2 different parts of the USA. When I lived in Austin, Q&A was difficult for me as there is a large Muslim population and the average Austinite had more knowledge of Islam then I have. Here out on the Sioux reservations, most of the Sioux had never seen a Muslim nor have any concept of Islam. Q&A sessions are often requested and the people are very curious to learn.

In the entire State of SD I only know of 10 Sioux Muslims. 2 of them being my wife and myself. although we are not Sioux we are accepted as being adopted Sioux by the people on Pine Ridge and the Cheyenne River.
 
Personally I feel that Im nervous of explaining Islam to others, what if I am the only contact they have with Islam and I do something or say something that ruins their chance of being a Muslim and recognising the truth.
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I feel the same...what if I cannot answer their questions? What if I answer incorrectly? But whenever I get the chance, I do explain the basics of Islam to non-muslims and try to clear a few misconceptions...
 
Lara said:
I feel the same...what if I cannot answer their questions? What if I answer incorrectly? But whenever I get the chance, I do explain the basics of Islam to non-muslims and try to clear a few misconceptions...
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Yes its important to try when asked. I just gave a christian my Qur'an. They asked me for it and on previous occassions have tried to steer away from religious discussion . I suppose giving Qur'an is a sure way of giving the absolute truth. Peace
 
TKTony said:
Yes its important to try when asked. I just gave a christian my Qur'an. They asked me for it and on previous occassions have tried to steer away from religious discussion . I suppose giving Qur'an is a sure way of giving the absolute truth. Peace
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I'm planning on doing just that!

My agnostic friend and I talk about this stuff (he's an ex-Christian) and I plan on giving him Yusuf Ali's Meaning of the Holy Quran ( it has explanations of the verses so he doesn't get confused).


I took him to Jumah once too.



Slowly but surely I need to knock down all the barriers.

(We are currently stuck on "Can God create a stone he can't lift" and questions of the nature of God which I will answer on Monday-ish)
 
can God create a stone he cant lift ? dont get that, have I missed point. Peace
 

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