funny cultural stuff we've heard/seen about.

[Daffodil]

it is not gud 2 laugh at ppl ways.its a way of mocking.your parents have learnt these from their parents and so on. do what a muslim would do, tell your parents, they only do this 4 a sign of respect.

actually sis its perfectly ok. here is a fatwah on it..........

Mocking innovators

Question:
I know that mocking the Sunnah or any part of Islam makes a person a kaafir. But what if someone mocks the beliefs of people of bid'ah? For example, a person jokes to his friend when it's time for salaat to make fun of the Murji'ah : "Oh, we don't have to pray...it's in your heart, remember?" but he prays, understanding that it was a joke to show the riduculousness of the Murji'ah beliefs. I know that false talk is a sin, even in joking, but is this (above example) kufr akbar because the joke involves a major part of Islam, although it was aimed at bidah and not Islam?.

Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.

Mocking the kaafirs for their kufr or the innovators for their innovations (bid’ah) is permissible because they enjoy no sanctity or protection with regard to their sin and evildoing in which they regard as permissible that which Allaah and Islam have forbidden. But this is only so long as the mocking does not go beyond the framework of dignity and truth, and it is not taken as a usual habit, and the jokes do not outweigh one's seriousness. But what we are warning against has become the habit of many people.

If one is to mock them, it should be for their going against the Sunnah, not for their different ways of dressing, walking, etc.

But is it a sin?

The correct view is that it is not a sin, rather this is something that it is permissible to talk about and joke about. The fact that the sin that we are mocking does not constitute kufr that puts a person beyond the pale of Islam makes it even more appropriate to joke about their sin, because by forsaking the truth and following falsehood, they have mocked the sanctity of Allaah.

Al-Laalkaani narrated, with isnaads, some reports from some of the salaf concerning such cases:

- He narrated from al-A’mash that Ibraaheem said: “There is no gheebah [backbiting] concerning one who follows bid’ah.”

- He narrated that al-Hasan al-Basri said: “There are three who have no protection from gheebah, one of whom is the one who follows bid’ah and is extreme in his bid’ah.”

- He narrated from Hishaam that al-Hasan said: “There is no gheebah in the case of one who follows bid’ah and one who commits evil.”

- He narrated that al-Hasan said: “There is no gheebah in the case of the people of bid’ah.”

- He narrated that Katheer Abu Sahl said: “It is said that there is no sanctity for the people who follow their whims and desires.”

(I’tiqaad Ahl al-Sunnah, 1/140).

The example which is mentioned in the question, which is, “Oh, we don’t have to pray, it’s in your heart, remember?” is not kufr because the one who says it does not intend to mock the prayer, rather he intends to mock these words that go against sharee’ah, and to show that they are false.

The point is that making fun of something that the innovators say is not haraam and does not constitute kufr.

But we do not encourage denouncing the innovators by mocking them; rather we should debate with them in the way that is best. Your concern when debating with them should be to guide them to the Straight Path. Allaah said to Moosa and Haroon when He sent them to Pharaoh (interpretation of the meaning):

“And speak to him mildly, perhaps he may accept admonition or fear (Allaah)”

[Ta-Ha 20:44]

And Allaah knows best.

Islam Q&A

 

[Daffodil]

they only do this 4 a sign of respect.

they do it out of ignorance not a sign of respect

 

[MusLiM 4 LiFe]

dis woz suposed 2 b a nice/funny thread, whyz it turnin in2 debatin ffended:

 

[Fishman]

Some people believe that if you break a mirror you have to wave an egg above it, or you will have bad luck! And that's a superstition from people who claim to be the enlightened protectors of freedom and democracy!

 

[Nawal89]

Some people believe that if you break a mirror you have to wave an egg above it, or you will have bad luck! And that's a superstition from people who claim to be the enlightened protectors of freedom and democracy!

and the egg is supposed to keep away the bad luck?:rollseyes
must have secret powers:giggling:

 

[MusLiM 4 LiFe]

uno wha.. its weird coz i dnt blive in superstitions but i wudnt like break a mirror if u get me.. ^o) iz any1 els like dt

 

[MusLiM 4 LiFe]

wave an egg above it

datz a new 1 ^o)

 

[Ibn Abi Ahmed]

http://www.maniacmuslim.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=36&Itemid=49

;D

 

[Malaikah]

"if you dont cover your mouth when yawning shaitan wees in it"

There is a hadith that the shaitan 'wees' in the ears of those who do not wake up for fajr prayer. +o(

 

[InToTheRain]

Is there anything wrong if the Shayateen reads the Qur'an or Uses the prayer mat to pray Salat? can Shayateen revert?

most ppl in my house fold the prayer mat corner, although they don't make a big deal of it.

I guess the other one is they don't like pointing their feet towards the Kabah. and lastly they make sure no one can raise their feet above the horizontal level of the Qur'an. Both of these are out of respect for Allah(SWT) so I see nothing wrong with it.

[PIE]I figured if folding a prayer mat makes Shaitaan go away, perhaps folding my clothes a certain way would thwart evil as well?
Alas, the evil thoughts still came, and I kicked the folding habit, as my mom hated ironing out the creases all the time. [/PIE]

^ That made me lol

 

[Curaezipirid]

Waram,

I LOve em All an am willing to experiment to test each one, if I find that it concurrs with my own daily habits to protect me from the Shaytan . . .

why not just try believing if they is not Haram, that each of these things has worked for somebody sometime effectively or else it would not be a part of our culture:

and then try not enacting the belief as an experiment

then you get your own evidence. . . which way is it better for you?

we were told to fold the corner of our musallahs so the shaitan cudnt pray on it. lol, where did that come from? i say let the shaitan pray, if he wants to repent let him repent, it always makes me laugh wen i go to some ones house n their musallahs are folded up in the corner.
QUOTE]
I will believe this

1.when I hear Azan I cover my head
2.when I do wadu in bathroom I cover my head.
They say if you don't cover your head, satan is going to urinate on you.
I want to make sure these are ok to follow or not.

and I will believe in this

1) Dont be in the toilet during azan, as the satans are congregating inside it.

2) When you yawn, cover your mouth or Satan will go inside it.

3) Dont clap your hands... each time you clap 1,000 satans would be born.

and I believe in this except about every hand clap: but only because I live in a culture in which hand claps are audience applause, but when hand claps are an unnecessary shock then I agree

or dont leave the musalla[prayer mat] open. or shaytan will pray on it

I agree and I will believe

don't forget to pray before each meal, since if you are not, the shaitan would wiped off anything on your plate.

This I most especially agree with since I noticed that I have not been saying Grace when I eat alone and that makes for bad kidney function.

In my culture they have this thing against leaving shoes upside down, apparently its bad because its pointing to the heavens. :?

Oh and another one- if someone is sick they put a blanket on top of the person and put a peice of lead in to boiling water and it makes this popping sound and apparently its meant to scare away the evil eye! ffended: I hate this one, isnt it shirk to do that?!?! Oh and after they have done it a few times they get the sick person to drink the water...:uuh: Ya Allah can you imagine the possibilty of lead poisoning?!?!:heated:

I agree with both of these

im talking about the stuff thats obviously from culture.

i think the most funny ones are the ones that take place in weddings, i heard that wen the bride and groom leave the wedding they drive the car backwards and forwards seven times!

another one i actualy seen is the bride comes in with a long piece of material over her head and her friends are all underneath it too. (i dnt think they realised thats what hindus do as they believe it "wards off evil" way to go piece of cloth, u have magical poswers, perhaps itll start flying too)

yea i heard that quran open one, they say the shaitan reads it, i say let the devil read the quran, he probably wants to repent.

I agree with all of. The reason that these are only of culture and not ahadith is because they are about individual events that really occurred and which other persons seek to repeat the protection of. "Oh that worked! they got protected from the Shaytan on their wedding night, maybe it will work for me?" . . . etc etc etc, and why not? You gotta try at least. But the full truth is that for any of these to be effective you need to:a) know the full true story behind them, and b) know and understand why the protective behaviour was effective. They are good habits all the same. Here is an example: in Hindu culture many habits that are regarded as either culture or superstition are only imitating the characters in Mahabarata. But why not?

Some are about not being complacent in matter that connects to any sacred matter. That is because when the sacred is infiltrated by Shaytan then its worth as Sacred is dented briefly.

The Malays are pretty strong on this one :rollseyes

You cannot take a shower unless you have like a sarong tied around you ....

Weird no?

This one has VAST sense to me! Shaytan have a habit of trying to look through your eyes, and they imagine that if they look at body parts that they can get back into the sick old world we exist in again by stealing the vanity of other persons looking at their body while bathing. Some cosmetics manufactures make money by making such awful ideology available for sale with their cosmetics. . . . so showering with Sarong on helps to prevent Shaytan imagining that reincarnation can be realised. I rarely shower or bath because of what the Shaytan get up to, but my clothes are all heavy so may be I only needed a Sarong.

The best thing about having a laugh at our own respective cultures is that we learn then what is real and what not. How about this one then:

If you see a kind of bird you have never seen before then somebody is going to die.

That is from my indigenous culture. Here is one from mainstream Aussie white culture:

If you sit on the cement pavement then you get piles.

These sort of superstitious aspects of culture are all very much a part of the world that will end of course; but they are the parts of this world which will end that we need to hold onto because they are life sustaining. They are the stories and habits by which we each experience little miracles in Allah, and so every child experienced certainty of belief.

It might be that one superstition belongs to one person's story and that your own story needs a different superstition. (Superstition means only a heightened fear in Allah)

Every person in good mental health goes through a process of questioning why we are taught these seemingly irrelevent habits as though of special meaning. So we get a little older and then stop acting them out and then either we realise that it was a habit of practical relevance to our mothers which has no more practical relevance to us, (or so we suppose: eg, when to put the rice on to soak) or else, we stop the habit we learned when young, only to find that a really bad thing happens to us, and then we can be certain in Allah through our immediate familial cultural patterning.

We can't all go to Mosque and recite the right Surah every time we find evidence of the Shaytan: but we can manifest adhereing to these sort of little habits. Many persons are habitual when saying Insha Allah, and have learned to by culture rather than Religious instruction. But that never made in of any less worth to say Insha Allah.

Have a laugh but in your laughter learn what you really need to take more seriously. That is what laughter is for.

Waram

 

[Curaezipirid]

Here is another one: Once a black cat crossed the road in front of me while the person in the car next to me was telling me about going overseas for travel; a few years later I realised that her travel plans were being made through a shaytan's trick against me, that she had fallen into grabbing the benefit of. Now if I see a black cat I watch which way it goes and always make certain it never crosses my path.

East Asian folk are really good at this sort of matter. All superstitions have relevance.

waram

 

[Malaikah]

I agree with both of these

Do you agree that it is shirk and dangerous, or do you agree its worth a try? :?

 

[syilla]

oh yeah...i just remember one....

if you accidently knock your head with the other person...you have to knock again with the other person if not your knowledge will leak out from the brain...(this one is funny)

well of course we can't follow the shirk culture...

but don't you think....some of the old folks sayings...they have deeper meanings in it...i mean they must be another reason for it...it is just easier for them to say that...so the other would follow...

for example...there is one culture in malay which is to make 'tempe'(kind of food)...
to make this 'tempe' you cannot talk while doing it....(well...at the first impression...for sure you'll have a laugh)...but if you think it again...'tempe' is very sensitive to dirty surroundings....so...if you talk your salliva will go into the 'tempe'...and it will spoil the food.

i hope i make sense...

 

[Woodrow]

If you ever travel in the New England area of the US and see any of the old colonial houses that were built in the 1600s. Look closely at the chimneys. You will see what appears to be a seat built around them near the top. That is called a "Witches Stoop" The earlier colonials built them in the belief that passing witches would stop and rest at them. They would repay the occupants by not doing any mischief to them.

 

[north_malaysian]

The Malays are pretty strong on this one :rollseyes

You cannot take a shower unless you have like a sarong tied around you ....

Weird no?

I have to agree... The Malays have "wet cloth" (in Malay "Kain Basah"), a 'sarong' wrapped up the body. For male it's intended to cover below navel until your thigh... but many modern male wears boxers or shorts. For female, the sarong would cover from breast until the thigh.

The Malays are Ultra-Shy people and have minimum 3 showers per day...

 

[north_malaysian]

oh yeah...i just remember one....

if you accidently knock your head with the other person...you have to knock again with the other person if not your knowledge will leak out from the brain...(this one is funny)

I've heard that the Turks are doing the same too..

 

[Dawud_uk]

Waram,

I LOve em All an am willing to experiment to test each one, if I find that it concurrs with my own daily habits to protect me from the Shaytan . . .

why not just try believing if they is not Haram, that each of these things has worked for somebody sometime effectively or else it would not be a part of our culture:

and then try not enacting the belief as an experiment

then you get your own evidence. . . which way is it better for you?

we were told to fold the corner of our musallahs so the shaitan cudnt pray on it. lol, where did that come from? i say let the shaitan pray, if he wants to repent let him repent, it always makes me laugh wen i go to some ones house n their musallahs are folded up in the corner.
QUOTE]
I will believe this

and I will believe in this


and I believe in this except about every hand clap: but only because I live in a culture in which hand claps are audience applause, but when hand claps are an unnecessary shock then I agree


I agree and I will believe



This I most especially agree with since I noticed that I have not been saying Grace when I eat alone and that makes for bad kidney function.



I agree with both of these



I agree with all of. The reason that these are only of culture and not ahadith is because they are about individual events that really occurred and which other persons seek to repeat the protection of. "Oh that worked! they got protected from the Shaytan on their wedding night, maybe it will work for me?" . . . etc etc etc, and why not? You gotta try at least. But the full truth is that for any of these to be effective you need to:a) know the full true story behind them, and b) know and understand why the protective behaviour was effective. They are good habits all the same. Here is an example: in Hindu culture many habits that are regarded as either culture or superstition are only imitating the characters in Mahabarata. But why not?

Some are about not being complacent in matter that connects to any sacred matter. That is because when the sacred is infiltrated by Shaytan then its worth as Sacred is dented briefly.



This one has VAST sense to me! Shaytan have a habit of trying to look through your eyes, and they imagine that if they look at body parts that they can get back into the sick old world we exist in again by stealing the vanity of other persons looking at their body while bathing. Some cosmetics manufactures make money by making such awful ideology available for sale with their cosmetics. . . . so showering with Sarong on helps to prevent Shaytan imagining that reincarnation can be realised. I rarely shower or bath because of what the Shaytan get up to, but my clothes are all heavy so may be I only needed a Sarong.

The best thing about having a laugh at our own respective cultures is that we learn then what is real and what not. How about this one then:

If you see a kind of bird you have never seen before then somebody is going to die.

That is from my indigenous culture. Here is one from mainstream Aussie white culture:

If you sit on the cement pavement then you get piles.

These sort of superstitious aspects of culture are all very much a part of the world that will end of course; but they are the parts of this world which will end that we need to hold onto because they are life sustaining. They are the stories and habits by which we each experience little miracles in Allah, and so every child experienced certainty of belief.

It might be that one superstition belongs to one person's story and that your own story needs a different superstition. (Superstition means only a heightened fear in Allah)

Every person in good mental health goes through a process of questioning why we are taught these seemingly irrelevent habits as though of special meaning. So we get a little older and then stop acting them out and then either we realise that it was a habit of practical relevance to our mothers which has no more practical relevance to us, (or so we suppose: eg, when to put the rice on to soak) or else, we stop the habit we learned when young, only to find that a really bad thing happens to us, and then we can be certain in Allah through our immediate familial cultural patterning.

We can't all go to Mosque and recite the right Surah every time we find evidence of the Shaytan: but we can manifest adhereing to these sort of little habits. Many persons are habitual when saying Insha Allah, and have learned to by culture rather than Religious instruction. But that never made in of any less worth to say Insha Allah.

Have a laugh but in your laughter learn what you really need to take more seriously. That is what laughter is for.

Waram

ok so if i nearly get run over but that day i was wearing red, then i start to tell people red is lucky for me will you also start wearing red?

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah

 

[Dawud_uk]

Here is another one: Once a black cat crossed the road in front of me while the person in the car next to me was telling me about going overseas for travel; a few years later I realised that her travel plans were being made through a shaytan's trick against me, that she had fallen into grabbing the benefit of. Now if I see a black cat I watch which way it goes and always make certain it never crosses my path.

East Asian folk are really good at this sort of matter. All superstitions have relevance.

waram

subhanallah this stuff and the mirror stuff is clear cut shirk, believing some object or animal has power to affect you.

Abu Abdullah

 

[north_malaysian]

Some other weird Malay cultures....


1) A virgin should never sing while cooking, if they do it, they would be married to old people.

2) When you eat rice, dont EVER left a single rice left on your plate... or it'll pray to Allah to curse you.

3) Dont make small babies to watch their faces on the mirror, or they'll drown in the future.

4) Dont cut your fingernails at night... or you'll see a ghost.

5) Dont open the umbrella inside the house, or a snake will come into your house.