Gaddafi is dead

[Hamza Asadullah]

as-salaamu alaykum

Bismillah

It's quite shameful that my post was deleted but whatever

Brother Abz, as far I'm concerned, he was not a Muslim, PERIOD. You can make all the excuses you want for him but instead of relying on our half baked conclusions based on media reports and our personal political theories maybe we should talk to Libyan brothers and sisters who shed their blood for this revolution and listen to what they have to say. Instead of being so negative about it and making excuses for a person like Gaddafi, why can't we be bit more positive and waste our energy and efforts on making dua' that Allah give rise to righteous people and fail all the plans of the kuffaar!!?

I also had my reservations about west's intervene and replacing Gaddafi with another corrupt ruler but what I have heard from trustworthy brothers/sisters that 90%+ people in the miliatry and high political posts are Islamists. So that gives me hope and forces me to remain postive and make dua. Even if that wasn't the case, we should still remain positive and make dua instead of bickering about it which bring no benefit to us and even dangerous for our own imaan. Why can't we have some tawakkul in Allah's Mercy and Plans?

I'm going to quote what two brothers said in another forum and with that I rest my case with Allah - I would rather waste my time and energy on pondering about my affairs and making dua for my Muslim brothers and sisters:

Brother are you from Libya? Have you ever lived there? If not then how do you know the situation there so well? Because a few people told you? Do they live there? You talk as if you lived in oppression in Libya when you know nothing about the true situation there.

It is easy to speak with so much hatred after your views, perceptions and mind becomes so conditioned by constant media lies and tricks but the reality is very different and you must wake upto reality and realise that this intervention by NATO will not benefit Libya in anyway just like US intervention in Afghanistan and Iraq has only made the situation there a million times worse.

The purpose of the intervention has NOTHING to do with "liberating" its people. Just before the alleged "uprising" the west was eating out of his hands, and just when the uprising began Britain pulled out of dealing arms to Libya. He even helped Sarkozy get presidentship and that is why he wanted Gaddaffi gone before he could reveal the truth. Gadaffi had major links to western intelligence there is no doubt about that.

The only purpose of the western intervention in Libya is to cause it to de-stablize Libya just like what happened in Iraq when the US apparently went in to "liberate the Iraqis, Really? That is why it is now the most destablized country on Earth. They only want Libya to meet the same fate so that it never progresses, They want to squander its vast oil reserves and wealth and to establish a leadership who will sell out its people like what happened in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Do you think the west would spend BILLIONS of dollars intervening in Libya to "liberate" its people? You are truly dillusional if you believe that. They could not care less if every Libyan was slaughtered. The west would NEVER have intervened and spent so much money without wanting their agenda fulfilled for they will be requiring pay back for their efforts and believe me they will not settle for anythihng less than to play a major role in Libya and squander its resources.

Do you think they will allow Islamization of Libya after all they have done? Please wake up to reality my brother.

Whatever we think of Gaddaffi he never sold out his people. He is far from being an angel but he is far better than all of our current "Muslim" leaders put together.

 

[tigerkhan]

i forgot the name of that suhabi RA but after the conflict btw muslims after the death of Usman RA, he break his sword as said that i was advised such by prophet PBUH and he get aside from all this fitna and fighting.
if all ppl of the world will be inovlved in killing of a innocent person, allah swt will send all of them to jahanum. i dont know who give them right to kill him..??? is this the way described in islam ???
i am sad by all this accident, besides he was wrong or right.
:wa:

 

[tigerkhan]

Whatever we think of Gaddaffi he never sold out his people. He is far from being an angel but he is far better than all of our current "Muslim" leaders put together

exactly...we are bearing much more wrost than him in pakistan and we didnot did such. i like our opposition leader Nawaz Shairf just bcz he blv in peaceful way and he had not lust for goveronment and i think its blessing from allah swt. otherwise if some other greedy person in that position can put country in war and fitna. allah swt save us from such happening.

 

[tigerkhan]

i hate those ppl who just for the sake of few dollars, power or some other worldy favors, exploit ppl and indulge them in war, killing and fitna.

 

[Muslim Woman]

Do you think the west would spend BILLIONS of dollars intervening in Libya to "liberate" its people? .....Whatever we think of Gaddaffi he never sold out his people. He is far from being an angel but he is far better than all of our current "Muslim" leaders put together.

I agree . At least , he had courage to protest against the Western tyrants .

May Allah forgives his sins and grants him Jannat.

 

[Abz2000]

this is how even Mu'awiyah dealt with meddlers in Muslim disputes:

According to Arab historian Ibn Kathir

At the height of tension when fighting was about to erupt at Siffin between Imam Ali and Muawiyah, Muawiyah was informed that the Byzantine Emperor raised a very large army and was drawing very close to the borders of the Muslim state. He wrote to him, giving him a very clear warning,

'By God, if you do not stop your designs and go back to your place, I will end my dispute with my cousin and will drive you out of the entire land you rule,
until I make the earth too tight for you.' The Byzantine Emperor was scared off and abandoned his plans.

also watch this: scroll to 2 min 20 seconds to pass the arabic khutbah:

 

[Muslim Woman]

Clinton on Qaddafi: "We Came, We Saw, He Died"

Video

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton shared a laugh with a television news reporter moments after hearing deposed Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi had been killed.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29472.htm


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Gaddafi Death: Envoy Slams 'Sadistic' Triumphalism

By RT

"The faces of the leaders of 'world democracies' are so happy, as if they remembered how they hanged stray cats in basements in their childhoods,"
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29476.htm

 

[Galaxy]

I wonder what will be the future of Libya now that Gaddafi's gone. Not only Libya but other countries that overthrown their dictator too, such as Egypt. So far I am hearing stuff about democracy but it's a chance to become a better Muslim country instead.

 

[Muslim Woman]

if a Muslim ruler is bad , is it allowed for other Muslims to invite Kaffirs to bomb on the land and civilians ? Is there any Ayat or hadith that supports it ?

 

[Ali_008]

His death is not a good news for any Muslim. It is just a victory of the west to make Libya another Iraq and Afghanistan. Under his rule, the people of Libya prospered. He had his flaws but still he wasn't a tyrant either. The citizens had a direct share in the economy and Libya was the most progressive country in Africa. Now, we'll just have to see where it all goes (or goes down, considering the history).

 

[Salahudeen]

Well I just watched the liberation day speech in Behnghazi, the speaker was saying the countries new law will be based upon Islamic sharia, and they will create riba free banks, and remove laws that are in violation of Islam, such as the law that you're only allowed to marry one wife. Allah hu alam whether it comes to fruition or not.

 

[Abz2000]

that's what they did with the taliban...............before calling them extremists and then attacking them

still......i believe Allah's plan is all-encompassing and that good will ultimately come out of it.
but i still do not believe a true Islamic government will turn to the enemies of Islam after all that's happened so far.
and that guy they've put as general in benghazi has been in afganistan and iraq and knows the past............extremely suspicious.
Gaddafi had allied with russia in opposition to US and european interests - it will now change.

this is what Afghanistan is called now:
Afghanistan [SUP]i[/SUP]/æfˈɡænɨstæn/ (Persian/Pashto: افغانستان, Afġānistān), officially the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan, is a landlocked country in South and Central Asia.

the office of Karzai still takes orders from washington. And the country is now riddled with US air force bases - Just like Saudi Arabia and Iraq

here's a little background i put together:

Under King Idris - The economy prospered from oil exports and the presence of the United States Air Force's Wheelus Air Base near Tripoli.
To the chagrin of Arab nationalists at home and supporters of Pan-Arabism in neighbouring states, Idris maintained close ties with Britain and the United States, even after Britain intervened against Egypt during the 1956 Suez Crisis.

Gaddafi went on to study law at the University of Libya, where he graduated with high grades. He then entered the Military Academy in Benghazi in 1963, where he and a few of his fellow militants organized a secretive group dedicated to overthrowing the pro-Western Libyan monarchy.

After U.S. forces had left Libya in 1970, Wheelus Air Base, a previous U.S. facility about seven miles (11 km) from Tripoli, became a Libyan Air Force installation and was renamed Okba Ben Nafi Air Base.

Gaddafi based his new regime on a blend of Arab nationalism, aspects of the welfare state and what Gaddafi termed “direct, popular democracy.” He called this system “Islamic socialism” and while he permitted private control over small companies, the government controlled the larger ones. Welfare, “liberation,” and education were emphasized. He also imposed a system of Islamic morals, outlawing alcohol and gambling. To reinforce the ideals of this socialist-Islamic state, Gaddafi outlined his political philosophy in his Green Book, published in three volumes between 1975 and 1979.

With respect to Libya's neighbors, Gaddafi followed Nasser's ideas of pan-Arabism and became a fervent advocate of the unity of all Arab states into one Arab nation. He also supported pan-Islamism, the notion of a loose union of all Islamic countries and peoples.

Gaddafi also became a strong supporter of the Palestine Liberation Organization,
which ultimately harmed Libya's relations with Egypt when in 1979 Egypt pursued a peace agreement with Israel.
As Libya's relations with Egypt worsened, Gaddafi sought closer relations with the Soviet Union.
Libya became the first country outside the Soviet bloc to receive the supersonic MiG-25 combat fighters, but Soviet-Libyan relations remained relatively distant. Gaddafi also sought to increase Libyan influence, especially in states with an Islamic population, by calling for the creation of a Saharan Islamic state and supporting anti-government forces in sub-Saharan Africa.

Tensions between Libya and the West reached a peak during the Ronald Reagan administration, which tried to overthrow Gaddafi.
The Reagan administration viewed Libya as a belligerent rogue state because of its uncompromising stance on Palestinian independence,
its support for revolutionary Iran in its 1980-1988 war against Saddam Hussein's Iraq and its backing for “liberation movements” in the developing world.
Reagan himself dubbed Gaddafi the “mad dog of the Middle East.” In March 1982 the U.S. declared a ban on the import of Libyan oil and the export to Libya of US oil industry technology; European nations did not follow suit.

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whadya think?
despite not being a total Islamic leader - he would NEVER allow the US or britain to install bases in his country,
these "rebels" have made a deal with the devil - and the devil is treacherous by nature.
do you think there are no conditions in this un-holy alliance?
Gaddafi also made a sort of deal after the invasion of Iraq, when they were pointing at him for possessing wmd - and helped them in the "war on terror", they got him to peacefully disarm - then they betrayed him with the help of the ones they made him suppress.

15. Like those who lately preceded them, they have tasted the evil result of their conduct; and (in the Hereafter there is) for them a grievous Penalty;-
16. (Their allies deceived them), like the Evil One, when he says to man, "Deny Allah.:
but when (man) denies Allah, (the Evil One) says, "I am free of thee: I do fear Allah, the Lord of the Worlds!"
17. The end of both will be that they will go into the Fire, dwelling therein for ever. Such is the reward of the wrong-doers.
Quran 59:15-17

NATO could not have taken over libya without an all out war which the Western people would not have supported (they used the ruse of a "no-fly zone")
and have now taken over libya with a military coup d'état, they have used Islam as a mantle to hold support and gain fighters - just as they did in Afghanistan,
now those fighters are on a US database. (ALQaeda).

Former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook wrote that the word al-Qaeda should be translated as "the database", and originally referred to the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen militants who were recruited and trained with CIA help to defeat the Russians.

A coup d'état (English: /ˌkuːdeɪˈtɑː/, French: [ku deta]; plural: coups d'état)—also known as a coup, putsch, and overthrow—is the sudden, extrajudicial deposition of a government,[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP][SUP][3][/SUP] usually by a small group of the existing state establishment—typically the military—to replace the deposed government with another body; either civil or military. A coup d'état succeeds if the usurpers establish their dominance when the incumbent government fails to prevent or successfully resist their consolidation of power. If the coup neither fully fails nor achieves overall success, the attempted coup d'état is likely to lead to a civil war.

 

[Salahudeen]

that's what they did with the taliban...............before calling them extremists and then attacking them

Brother they are all ready talking about it, the presenter on the news was saying "isn't it a concern that they want to Implement sharia"

 

[Hamza Asadullah]

if a Muslim ruler is bad , is it allowed for other Muslims to invite Kaffirs to bomb on the land and civilians ? Is there any Ayat or hadith that supports it ?

Wa alaikum asalaam. Consider the following:

Abul-Hârith Ahmad b. Muhammad Al-Sâ`igh, the close and respected friend of Imâm Ahmad, reports:

I asked Abû ‘Abdillâh (Imâm Ahmad) about something that had occurred in Baghdâd, and [because of which] some people were considering revolting [against the ruler]. I said, “O Abû ‘Abdillâh, what do you say about taking part in the revolt with these people?” He decried it and started saying, “Subhânallâh! The blood [of the people], the blood [of the people]! I do not believe in this and I do not tell others to do it. For us to suffer our situation in patience is better than the fitnah (tribulation) in which blood is spilt, property is taken, and the prohibited are violated (e.g. the honor of women). Do you not know what happened to the people (in the days of the previous fitnah)?” I said, “And the people today, Abû ‘Abdillâh, are they not in fitnah [because of the ruler]?” He replied, “If so, it is a limited fitnah, but if the sword is raised, the fitnah will engulf everything and there will be no way to escape. To suffer patiently this [current difficulty], where Allâh keeps your religion safe for you is better for you.” I saw him decry revolting against the leaders, and say, “[Do not spill the people's] blood. I do not believe in this and I do not command it.”

Abû Bakr Al-Khallâl, Al-Sunnah article 89.

 

[AabiruSabeel]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-15420848

Muammar Gaddafi's website, Seven Days News, says it has published the last will of the deceased former leader of Libya.

The document was reportedly handed to three of his relatives, one of whom was killed, the second arrested and the third managed to escape the fighting in Sirte.

Here is the English translation:

"This is my will. I, Muammar bin Mohammad bin Abdussalam bi Humayd bin Abu Manyar bin Humayd bin Nayil al Fuhsi Gaddafi, do swear that there is no other God but Allah and that Mohammad is God's Prophet, peace be upon him. I pledge that I will die as Muslim.

Should I be killed, I would like to be buried, according to Muslim rituals, in the clothes I was wearing at the time of my death and my body unwashed, in the cemetery of Sirte, next to my family and relatives.

I would like that my family, especially women and children, be treated well after my death. The Libyan people should protect its identity, achievements, history and the honourable image of its ancestors and heroes. The Libyan people should not relinquish the sacrifices of the free and best people.

I call on my supporters to continue the resistance, and fight any foreign aggressor against Libya, today, tomorrow and always.

Let the free people of the world know that we could have bargained over and sold out our cause in return for a personal secure and stable life. We received many offers to this effect but we chose to be at the vanguard of the confrontation as a badge of duty and honour.

Even if we do not win immediately, we will give a lesson to future generations that choosing to protect the nation is an honour and selling it out is the greatest betrayal that history will remember forever despite the attempts of the others to tell you otherwise."

 

[Muslim Woman]

I, Muammar bin Mohammad bin Abdussalam bi Humayd bin Abu Manyar bin Humayd bin Nayil al Fuhsi Gaddafi, do swear that there is no other God but Allah and that Mohammad is God's Prophet, peace be upon him. "

I have read in other forum that some scholars said Gaddafi was a kaffir. I hope , after reading his last will , no one should repeat the lie.



I pledge that I will die as Muslim.

 

[Hamza Asadullah]

I have read in other forum that some scholars said Gaddafi was a kaffir. I hope , after reading his last will , no one should repeat the lie.

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I pledge that I will die as Muslim.

Scholars will always give contradictory takfeer. One set of scholars declaring takfeer on someone and another saying something different. Making takfeer on a Muslim is very dangerous because if the person is not worthy of it then it goes back to the person who said it.

Allah will eventually remove every person from Jahannam who had an atom of faith in their hearts and he can forgive who he wants. So those people going around saying this or that person died a kaafir should worry about their own fate and ensure they die with imaan and not concern themselves with something ONLY Allah can decide.

It is also not good to speak about a dead Muslim in a bad way. It is best to take precaution and just say Allah knows best.

 

[Ali_008]

I've read somewhere that he was a Munkar-e-Ahadith (Rejector of Ahadith) and believed only in the Qur'an. Possibly that's what makes people call him a kaafit but still I agree with Brother Hamza^^^^^^.

 

[karimium]

the rebels dont have a clue what's coming their way, sure gadaffi had secret police and tortured the islamists, but he was one of the few rulers of muslim countries who had a backbone, and even if he didnt rule by shariah, he followed his gut and did what he felt is right.

the libyan people will now suffer, a new government will be instilled who will follow basic shariah civil code, and the islamists will be content with seeing women wearing burkas and stuff, meanwhile the country gets economically raped and has all of its oil sold for dirt cheap.

oil will be shipped out of the country for cheap, while prices in libyan gas pumps stay sky high.

the country will not have one strong ruler but a collection of republics east and west, power will be brokered down, the country will not have a strong single voice, and will be easily exploited.

say goodbye to all these
About Libya and the evil Gaddafi:
- cars are sold at the factory price
- people get credit money without interest
- education and helfcare are free
- 25% of population has faculty education
- 15 cents one bread
- their are no people homeless people on the street, everyone has a place to live
- young married people receive a free place to stay from the State
And the list continues...
No wonder the people who rule the "free" world view Libya as a problem.



to the person who cited "saudi scholar" calling gadaffi a khafir.

wow. just wow.

The guy may not have forced women to wear burka, and if that is your interpretation of what islam is then im not surprised you say that. for me anyone who beleives in the shadah is a muslim as far as im concered and the rest is up to Allah to judge.

We have a serious lack of strong leaders in the muslim word, we have just lost another.

well done wahabbis, you have succeeded in destroy muslim nations and handing over power to your colonialist friends.. well done!

 

[Abz2000]

brother, i agree with much of what you say, but walking around uncovered causes society to fall into decadence and fitnah which slowly ruins the soul - i can tell you first hand -as we see all around us,
the prophet (pbuh) saw his sister in law asma (ra) in see through/tight clothes and told her that a true Muslimah should be covered other than face and hands,

i would say that despite gaddafi's mistakes - IMHO he was a lot better than most of the leaders we now have in the whole world.
he held himself with some dignity and did not grovel to those stronger than him.
may Allah have mercy on him and overlook his and our faults - since none of us are free from straying from even the Quran -and moreso the hadith.
and regarding the leaders of the muslim lands who claim to be wahhabis, studying imam Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab's life should tell you that they are as far from it as the pope is from Prophet Isa (as).
the imam was a magnetic figure through whom they gained support of the people.

may the light of iman grow in our hearts, and the rage against manipulation make us strong.
peace