Gaddafi is dead

[A-Believer-25]

These type of threads seem to be causing a lot of fitna.

 

[Abz2000]

these types of threads open discussion which make us see each other's points of view and take from them

 

[Salahudeen]

Well having heard from a Libyan sister about living under Gadaffi it's very different story, she said all that stuff about 50k for newly married couples is not true, and electricity was cheap but not free, and the education and health system was free however "what good is it if the education system is bad, and low quality. Even the schools, many of them look like a poor countries schools, with bad structure.
Same with health care, usually it is bad, and sometimes not even available, that is why many Libyans (including some of my relatives) would go to Tunisia and Egypt yearly to get treatment, and they had to pay a lot of money for it, sometimes tens of thousands, and some would become in debt because of it."

and as for interest free loans, that never existed under Ghadaffi either "As for free interest loans, riba (interest) was legal in Gaddafi's rule, why do you think Mustafa Abdel Jalil (the head of the NTC) said in his speech on the day announcing Libya's liberation, that riba (interest) will be no more in Libya, that is because in gaddafi's rule, loans were with interest, and banks dealt with interest. And that is why my cousin had a difficult time before the revolution, because he didn't want a loan with interest, but alhamduilllah that the revolution came and the country was liberated from gaddafis tyrannical rule."

Here's the full post from a libyan who knows what it's like to live there.


1. About Libyans all having homes, with no one homeless, this claim was due to the law I told you about from the satanic green book, that the house is for the one who lives in it, this law made it forbidden for anyone to own more than the house he lives in, thus any libyan who owned houses or apartments that they put up for rent, it was taken from him and given to people who didn't have a home, thus many Libyans lost their properties, their wealth that they gained with their own sweat for many years, just gone in a second due to a satanic law, that claims equality but no justice. The idea of this law was to make every Libyan have a home, and no one homeless, but this lead to injustice and stealing of other people's properties. Instead of the government building homes for those homeless people, in the vast lands of Libya, and the great wealth that Libya gets from its oil, they take other people's properties to give away to ones who do not own it. This is injustice and oppression. Him and his family used libya's wealth to build their own luxurious homes, while stealing libyan's properties to give to the ones who didn't have a home !!
And even with this law, still many Libyans were without homes (i.e. they didn't own their own house) many lived with their parents' houses, like the case with my uncles, due to not being able to afford buying a house. A Muslim who fears Allah would not accept to live in a house that is the property of someone else, they work to get their home, not steal from others using this corrupt law as an excuse.


2. As for the claim about 50K given to newlyweds , my relatives who got married never got 50k , nor do we know anyone from outside of the family who got 50k after their marriage. Thus I believe this claim to be false, and anyone claiming it to be true must bring proof for his claim.


3. Electricity was cheap but not free.


4. Education and health care was free, but what good is it if the education system is bad, and low quality. Even the schools, many of them look like a poor countries schools, with bad structure.
Same with health care, usually it is bad, and sometimes not even available, that is why many Libyans (including some of my relatives) would go to Tunisia and Egypt yearly to get treatment, and they had to pay a lot of money for it, sometimes tens of thousands, and some would become in debt because of it.


5. As for free interest loans, riba (interest) was legal in Gaddafi's rule, why do you think Mustafa Abdel Jalil (the head of the NTC) said in his speech on the day announcing Libya's liberation, that riba (interest) will be no more in Libya, that is because in gaddafi's rule, loans were with interest, and banks dealt with interest. And that is why my cousin had a difficult time before the revolution, because he didn't want a loan with interest, but alhamduilllah that the revolution came and the country was liberated from gaddafis tyrannical rule.

http://www.ahlalhdeeth.com/vbe/showthread.php?p=86834#post86834

 

[جوري]

Well having heard from a Libyan sister about living under Gadaffi it's very different story, she said all that stuff about 50k for newly married couples is a lie, and electricity was cheap but not free, and the education and health system was free however "what good is it if the education system is bad, and low quality. Even the schools, many of them look like a poor countries schools, with bad structure.
Same with health care, usually it is bad, and sometimes not even available, that is why many Libyans (including some of my relatives) would go to Tunisia and Egypt yearly to get treatment, and they had to pay a lot of money for it, sometimes tens of thousands, and some would become in debt because of it."

Yup I urge people to speak with Libyans to sort the truth from lies.. Most Libyans I know who were educated tried hard to escape many were assassinated by Qaddafi goons, or had to serve him in fear Libya is a country of 12 million or so.. ask then why they're still living in a tribal system with prehistoric dirt roads & poverty except in the pocket of a few tribal leaders to keep them shut.. look @ the wedding of the so-called Claudia Shaffer of the middle east who burned her maid & when she escaped brought her back from the hospital to torture her some more, before we shed tears over his martyrdom!

I am no fan of seeing anyone tortured to death.. he who kills with impunity shall be killed in a similar manner..

let the dead be & let's focus on the ummah!

 

[Abz2000]

this law made it forbidden for anyone to own more than the house he lives in, thus any libyan who owned houses or apartments that they put up for rent, it was taken from him and given to people who didn't have a home,

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[TD]Jabir b. Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
He who has land should cultivate it himself, but if he does not cultivate it himself, then he should let his brother cultivate it.
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Jabir b. Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported some of the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) had surplus of land. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: He, who has surplus land (in his possession) should cultivate it, or he should lend it to his brother for benefit, but if he refuses to accept it, he should retain it.
Sahih Muslim 3717

Jabir b. 'Abdullah reported: We used to cultivate land on rent during the lifetime of Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) and we got a share out of the grain left in the ears after threshing them and something unspecified. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: He who has land should cultivate it or let his brother till it, otherwise he should leave it.
Sahih Muslim 3723

Education and health care was free, but what good is it if the education system is bad, and low quality. Even the schools, many of them look like a poor countries schools, with bad structure.

the Prophet (pbuh)'s schools were palm trees, and mud brick, with no protection from rain.

regarding the $50,000, i was of the impression that it was an interest free loan that was made available to newly married couples towards accommodation. not a bundle of notes totalling 50k to splash out on a wedding.
other loans may have been based on interest, since france was buying out banks in libya, but many interest free loans were available.



i am not pretending that Gaddafi was a saint, rather his daughter Aisha's wedding shows he was not too concerned about certain aspects of morality,
but the ones behind nato have openly declared Islam their enemy,
Gaddafi has apparently been guilty of repressing certain aspects of Islam, but this also happened while they were forcing him to participate in their war on "terror", and while they were hiring people claiming to be Islamic to assassinate him with mi6 money,
so how could we turn to them?
and although much may be correct, we must be careful when reading the comments on blogs:

Pentagon buys social networking 'spy software'
The Pentagon has purchased a pioneering software programme that creates fake identities on social media websites, in an attempt to infiltrate and influence suspected terrorists and extremists overseas.

The $2.7 million (£1.7 million) programme developed by San Diego firm Ntrepid allows one military user to create multiple personas on the internet and engage in extended online conversations and communications with suspects.

According to military procurement documents seen by the Washington Times, the software will "enable an operator to exercise a number of different online persons from the same workstation and without fear of being discovered by sophisticated adversaries".

"Personas must be able to appear to originate in nearly any part of the world," the documents stated.

A spokesman for the US Central Command region, which includes the Middle East, Pakistan and Afghanistan, said that psychological warfare scheme was operating only on overseas social media sites.

"We do not target US audiences, and we do not conduct these activities on sites owned by U.S. companies," he said.



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[جوري]

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[TD]Jabir b. Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
He who has land should cultivate it himself, but if he does not cultivate it himself, then he should let his brother cultivate it.
Sahih Muslim 3716[/TD]
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Jabir b. Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported some of the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) had surplus of land. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: He, who has surplus land (in his possession) should cultivate it, or he should lend it to his brother for benefit, but if he refuses to accept it, he should retain it.
Sahih Muslim 3717

yes but land isn't housing though. We're free to do with our property as we please, & the land according to Islam is for whomever sows & cultivates so long as you're not impinging on property from which one makes their livelihood..

 

[Salahudeen]

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[TD]Jabir b. Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
He who has land should cultivate it himself, but if he does not cultivate it himself, then he should let his brother cultivate it.
Sahih Muslim 3716[/TD]
[/TR]
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Jabir b. Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported some of the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) had surplus of land. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: He, who has surplus land (in his possession) should cultivate it, or he should lend it to his brother for benefit, but if he refuses to accept it, he should retain it.
Sahih Muslim 3717

Jabir b. 'Abdullah reported: We used to cultivate land on rent during the lifetime of Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) and we got a share out of the grain left in the ears after threshing them and something unspecified. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: He who has land should cultivate it or let his brother till it, otherwise he should leave it.
Sahih Muslim 3723

If he applied those laws on himself as well as his people then it would have been better for him perhaps

 

[Abz2000]

true, but i am still emphasising the fact that by condemning him for much smaller crimes and forgetting to mention the horrendous crimes of those behind nato,
we are actually helping them in their attack on Islam, look how they used the character of Saddam to kill over a million muslims in Iraq, or certain aspects of the (previously u.s backed) taliban, to murder and continue to occupy afghanistan.

remember how brother Awlaki would put it in perspective even when condemning a wrong?

not only that - but they actually had the audacity to request that nato stay, just in order to try and remove the blame from nato.

and land is something that Allah gave for free, people didn't pay Him for it, they just occupied what they used from the time of Adam and left the rest, it was only when land became scarce and some had more power than others that they took a bigger share of it, and now people use economic bullying to take over God Given land while others live homeless and with no land to cultivate?
the Prophet (pbuh)'s hadith makes sense in that light, this is why people can't charge for water from natural wells but can for dug out ones, can charge for fruits since they planted them, but can't just decide to say "i have more military/financial power than you so i'll usurp the God Given land while you remain homeless.
and the person on that forum you copied from who called it a "satanic law" would do good to ask Allah for forgiveness.

thus any libyan who owned houses or apartments that they put up for rent, it was taken from him and given to people who didn't have a home, thus many Libyans lost their properties, their wealth that they gained with their own sweat for many years, just gone in a second due to a satanic law, that claims equality but no justice. The idea of this law was to make every Libyan have a home, and no one homeless, but this lead to injustice and stealing of other people's properties.

 

[A-Believer-25]

It seems like many countries in the middle east has it bad, huh? imsad

 

[جوري]

It seems like many countries in the middle east has it bad, huh? imsad

It has to be that way for the next best thing no?

The Messenger of Allah (saw) said: "Prophethood will be amongst you for as long as Allah wills, then Allah will raise it up when He wills, then there will be Khilafah upon the way of Prophethood, then Allah will raise it up when He wills, then there will be biting Kingship, then oppressive Kingship, then there will be Khilafah Rashidah on the method of Prophethood.” (Ahmad)

 

[alpharius]

Out of interest, what was so bad about Ghadaffi, as I still don't know why people hated him so much, did he deprive his people of a good quality of life while he lived like a king? What was brutal about his regime before the protests started? I understand he became brutal when the protests started but in the 40 years prior to that what did he inflict upon his people that was so brutal and unjust? I'm genuinely asking cos I sincerely don't know.

On 5 April 1986 Libyan agents bombed "La Belle" nightclub in West Berlin, killing three and injuring 229. Gaddafi's plan was intercepted by Western intelligence and more detailed information was retrieved some years later from Stasi archives. Libyan agents who had carried out the operation, from the Libyan embassy in East Germany, were prosecuted by the reunited Germany in the 1990s.

Pan Am Flight 103 was Pan American World Airways' third daily scheduled transatlantic flight from London Heathrow Airport to New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport. On Wednesday, 21 December 1988, the aircraft flying this route — a Boeing 747–121 registered N739PA and named “Clipper Maid of the Seas” — was destroyed by a bomb, killing all 243 passengers and 16 crew members. Eleven people in Lockerbie, in southern Scotland, were also killed as large sections of the plane fell in the town and destroyed several houses, bringing total fatalities to 270. As a result, the event is also known as the Lockerbie bombing.


He got what he deserved.

 

[GuestFellow]

It seems like many countries in the middle east has it bad, huh? imsad

Salaam,

Not really. All countries have their own problems. Compare Iraq to North Korea....

 

[GuestFellow]

Salaam,

Hilliary Clinton laughs at everything lol....

 

[جوري]

maybe she should take beano before she sees any news..

 

[Abz2000]

check this out:

http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Israel-forces-Gaddafi's-aid-ship-to-Gaza-to-dock-in-Egypt-18938.html

the man gets one of his sons (saif al islam) to lead the cause - after the mavi marmara incident
i wonder if the new government will support the palestinian cause - or support their ally's ally.


it is also clear that the libyan government whom Gaddafi criticised for it's corruption was trying to prevent a clash, while gaddafi and his son were calling for one.

12 Jul 2010 8:27 AM

Washington – The Libyan ship underway to break the Gaza naval blockade will not carry one high-profile passenger - the Libyan president’s son Saif Gaddafi - Arabic-language Ash-Sharq Al-Awsat

Saif al-Islam Gaddafi is head of the organization behind the voyage and is reportedly interested in sailing with the ship. In an effort to prevent him doing so, Libyan authorities Sunday restricted all flights that might jettison the premier’s son to join the vessel.

"Libya does not wish to intervene and believes the aid sail to Gaza conceals an adventure and a risk," one anonymous Libyan official told Al-Awsat. "Therefore, it has been decided to ban private flights. The decision is aimed at preventing Saif al-Islam and other Libyan figures from joining the ship.”

"Officially, Libya has nothing to do with the ship, and if any problem occurs it will cause an embarrassment on the international level," the official added. "Thus, we don't want any Libyan nationals on the ship, in order to prevent them from facing any danger, particularly from Israel, which has been repeating its threats to forcibly stop the ship."

 

[Hamza Asadullah]

true, but i am still emphasising the fact that by condemning him for much smaller crimes and forgetting to mention the horrendous crimes of those behind nato,
we are actually helping them in their attack on Islam, look how they used the character of Saddam to kill over a million muslims in Iraq, or certain aspects of the (previously u.s backed) taliban, to murder and continue to occupy afghanistan.

remember how brother Awlaki would put it in perspective even when condemning a wrong?

not only that - but they actually had the audacity to request that nato stay, just in order to try and remove the blame from nato.

and land is something that Allah gave for free, people didn't pay Him for it, they just occupied what they used from the time of Adam and left the rest, it was only when land became scarce and some had more power than others that they took a bigger share of it, and now people use economic bullying to take over God Given land while others live homeless and with no land to cultivate?
the Prophet (pbuh)'s hadith makes sense in that light, this is why people can't charge for water from natural wells but can for dug out ones, can charge for fruits since they planted them, but can't just decide to say "i have more military/financial power than you so i'll usurp the God Given land while you remain homeless.
and the person on that forum you copied from who called it a "satanic law" would do good to ask Allah for forgiveness.

Before Gaddafi took power Libya accomodated the biggest US military base in the Middle east. He was no puppet of the west. Thats why the west hated him and wanted to remove him. Why are the USnot taking the same stance on Yemen whos government are creely killing its people. What about Ba:nervous:hrain whos people have been forgotten?

Let us not be decieved into thinking that Natos victory in Libya is a victory for the people of Libya. Let us also not forget over 30,000 that have died mostly from NATO targetting the civilian population. On top of that various massacres that are being uncovered of civilian populations by the "Ntc". Shame on anyone calling them freedom fighters.

Do we really think that after the west spent billions on the Libya intervention are just going to leave Libya for its people to decide the outcome of its future? Of course not! The reality is that this intervention has opened up the front door to invite the devil in and the devil will not leave anytime soon.

This is not a "victory" at all for it is an invitation for the US to set up a base there like they had before Gaddafi. It is an invitation for the west to eat up its resources and to shape its future, establishing a puppet for them to pull the strings how they please.

 

[Abz2000]

curiously enough - egypt, tunisia and libya (including benghazi) all fall along the strategic coastal route to palestine,

 

[Hamza Asadullah]

Salaam,

Hilliary Clinton laughs at everything lol....

I bet she wasnt laughing when she found out about her husband and Monica Lewinski.

 

[Hamza Asadullah]

curiously enough - egypt, tunisia and libya (including benghazi) all fall along the strategic coastal route to palestine,

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Libya is the perfect location strategically for the US and Zionist regime in the Middle East. That is why the US had the biggest military base in Libya from the whole of the middle East before Gaddafi took power. Now soon they have their base back where they have always wanted it. So the middle East will have another huge US military base under their noses. Just what the Muslims need.

 

[Hamza Asadullah]

On 5 April 1986 Libyan agents bombed "La Belle" nightclub in West Berlin, killing three and injuring 229. Gaddafi's plan was intercepted by Western intelligence and more detailed information was retrieved some years later from Stasi archives. Libyan agents who had carried out the operation, from the Libyan embassy in East Germany, were prosecuted by the reunited Germany in the 1990s.

Pan Am Flight 103 was Pan American World Airways' third daily scheduled transatlantic flight from London Heathrow Airport to New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport. On Wednesday, 21 December 1988, the aircraft flying this route — a Boeing 747–121 registered N739PA and named “Clipper Maid of the Seas” — was destroyed by a bomb, killing all 243 passengers and 16 crew members. Eleven people in Lockerbie, in southern Scotland, were also killed as large sections of the plane fell in the town and destroyed several houses, bringing total fatalities to 270. As a result, the event is also known as the Lockerbie bombing.


He got what he deserved.

Really? Then why did Obama welcome Gaddafi in open arms and greet him like a guest of honour?

Why did Tony Blair establish good relations with Gadafi proclaiming to the western world that they should also embrace him and open their arms to him?

Why did Scotland release the "alleged" Lockerbie bomber? Which country would ever release a "bomber" who killed hundereds of people, as a gesture of good will? Does a bomber show a gesture of good will after killing so many people?

Also why did Britain supply weapons to Gaddafi until February this year? Why would anyone supply weapons to such a man?

Please explain all of these points to us.....