Gaddafi is dead

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Hamza Asadullah said:
Why did Scotland release the "alleged" Lockerbie bomber?
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seriously they'd sell these unseasoned nits anything & they'll buy it so long as it's riddled with anti-Islamic rhetoric .. which begs the question akhi why is this unwanted gadfly still writing here?
 
Gaddafi and friends: in pictures

World leaders may now be condemning the Libyan leader for his use of violence, but it hasn’t always been this way. Please see pictures of world leaders including Obama, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and others embracing Gaddafi in open arms:

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/2011/02/libyan-leader-gaddafi-during

They befriend him for their own interests (oil and arms deals) but as soon as the so called "revolution" begins they stab him in the back like the two-faced hypocrites that they are.
 
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abz2000 said:
not only that - but they actually had the audacity to request that nato stay, just in order to try and remove the blame from nato.

and land is something that Allah gave for free, people didn't pay Him for it, they just occupied what they used from the time of Adam and left the rest, it was only when land became scarce and some had more power than others that they took a bigger share of it, and now people use economic bullying to take over God Given land while others live homeless and with no land to cultivate?
the Prophet (pbuh)'s hadith makes sense in that light, this is why people can't charge for water from natural wells but can for dug out ones, can charge for fruits since they planted them, but can't just decide to say "i have more military/financial power than you so i'll usurp the God Given land while you remain homeless.
and the person on that forum you copied from who called it a "satanic law" would do good to ask Allah for forgiveness.
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I'm sorry I don't understand what you mean, if you worked hard all your life to buy a house then you rent it out and the tenets lay claim to it as theirs and the government grants their wish, this is ok with you? Are you saying the person should ask for forgiveness for disagreeing with this and calling such a practice satanic? :hmm:

I wanna be your tenet if you ever rent a house out :p


Also I'm just trying to understand the actions of the Libyan people and why they revolted because people tell me they enjoyed a high quality of life under Ghadaffi but I've spoken to 1 Libyan so far and it wasn't a good life at all under him that's why they went against him. No doubt Nato's only interest is the black gold and they have an agenda for aiding the libyan people, and their situation may even get more worse if foreign bankers have entered the country. But people will only accept a way of life they're not pleased with for only so long before they eventually rebel as was demonstrated in Egypt and the other countries.
 
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^ brother it is based on hadith, there is enough land for everyone, the reason why the person is homeless and needs to rent is because someone else has usurped the land through either physical or financial monopoly, islam is neither socialist - nor capitalist, however it does have aspects of social justice and this seems to be one of them, the person renting is under bondage since
1. a large sum of their earnings don't go to personal expenditure - but towards paying for land freely given by God to which everyone has a right,
2. the person lending can say - oh - usury is banned, so i will just by up houses and rent them out, (a back-door method of interest) this is not trade, (buying and selling - or renting goods which degrade through use) it is usury.
3. people were allowed to freely build on empty land during the Prophet (pbuh)'s time, there was no "this is all government property and you can't have it".
and no rich or powerful man could justly lay claim to all the empty land he sees.

also there are other incidents in which it was permissible - when the jews of khaybar were to be expelled, and they came with an offer of cultivating the land and giving a portion of it's produce in exchange for being allowed to stay there. however this does not fall under normal renting, rather it goes into the section of semi-slavery - another topic.

Al-Muwatta Hadith 31.56
Yahya related from Malik that he had heard that Umar ibn al-Khattab said,
"There is no hoarding in our market, and men who have excess gold (wealth) in their hands should not buy up one of Allah's provisions which he has sent to our courtyard
and then hoard it up against us.
Someone who brings imported goods through great fatigue to himself in the summer and winter, that person is the guest of Umar.
Let him sell what Allah wills and keep what Allah wills."


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[TD]Jabir b. Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) having forbidden the renting of land.[/TD]
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[TD]Jabir b. Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who has land should cultivate it himself, but if he does not cultivate it himself, then he should let his brother cultivate it.[/TD]
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[TD]Jabir b. Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported some of the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) had surplus of land. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: He, who has surplus land (in his possession) should cultivate it, or he should lend it to his brother for benefit, but if he refuses to accept it, he should retain it.[/TD]
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[TD]Jabir b. Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) having forbidden taking of rent or share of land.[/TD]
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[TD]Jabir (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who has land should cultivate it, but if he does not find it possible to cultivate it, or finds himself helpless to do so, he should lend it to his Muslim brother, but he should not accept rent from him.[/TD]
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[TD]Sulaiman b. Musa asked Ata': Did Jabir b. 'Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) as saying:" He who has land should cultivate it himself, or let his brother cultivate it, and should not give on rent"? He said: Yes.[/TD]
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[TD]Jabir (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) having forbidden Mukhabara.[/TD]
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[TD]Jabir b. Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) say: He who has surplus of land should either cultivate it himself, or let his brother cultivate it, an should not sell it. I (the narrator) said to Sa'id: What does his statement" do not sell it" mean? Does it imply" rent"? He said: Yes.[/TD]
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[TD]Jabir b. 'Abdullah reported: We used to cultivate land on rent during the lifetime of Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) and we got a share out of the grain left in the ears after threshing them and something unspecified. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: He who has land should cultivate it or let his brother till it, otherwise he should leave it.[/TD]
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[TD]Jabir b. Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported: We used to get land (on rent) during the lifetime of Allah's Messeuge, (may peace be upon him) with a share of one-third or one-fourth (of the produce from the land irrigated) with the help of canals. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) stood up (to address) and said: HRe who has land should cultivate it, and if he does not cultivate it, he should lend it to his brother, and if he does not lend it to his brother, he should then retain it.[/TD]
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[TD]Jabir (Allah he pleased with him) reported: I heard Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who has (surplus) land should donate it (to others), or lend it. This hadith has been narrated on the authority of A'mash with the same chain of transmitters, but with a slight change of words.[/TD]
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[TD]Jabir b. `Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reportedthat Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) had forbidden renting of land. Bukair (one of the narrators) said: Nafi` reported to me that he heard Ibn `Umar (Allah be pleased with them) saying: We usedto give land on rent; we then abandoned this practice when we heard the hadith of Rafi` b. Khadij.[/TD]
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[TD]Jabir (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) forbidding the selling (renting of) uncultivated land for two years or three.[/TD]
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[TD]Jabir (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) forbidding selling of (produce) in advance for two years, and in the narmtion of Ibu Abd Shaiba (the words are):" Selling of the fruits (on the tree) in advance for two years."[/TD]
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[TD]Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who has land should cultivate it or lend it to his brother, but if he refuses, he should retain his land.[/TD]
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Hamza Asadullah said:
Gaddafi and friends: in pictures

World leaders may now be condemning the Libyan leader for his use of violence, but it hasn’t always been this way. Please see pictures of world leaders including Obama, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and others embracing Gaddafi in open arms:

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/th...gaddafi-during

They befriend him for their own interests (oil and arms deals) but as soon as the so called "revolution" begins they stab him in the back like the two-faced hypocrites that they are.
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reminds me of this video: when you get to 30 seconds scroll past to 43 seconds to avoid the evil.

1 min 16 seconds is precious - i kept rewinding it - the desperation in the reporter's voice was transparent (i think i was o'reilly)
 
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abz2000 said:
^ brother it is based on hadith, there is enough land for everyone, the reason why the person is homeless and needs to rent is because someone else has usurped the land through either physical or financial monopoly, islam is neither socialist - nor capitalist, however it does have aspects of social justice and this seems to be one of them, the person renting is under bondage since
1. a large sum of their earnings don't go to personal expenditure - but towards paying for land freely given by God to which everyone has a right,
2. the person lending can say - oh - usury is banned, so i will just by up houses and rent them out, (a back-door method of interest) this is not trade, (buying and selling - or renting goods which degrade through use) it is usury.

also there are other incidents in which it was permissible - when the jews of khaybar were to be expelled, and they came with an offer of cultivating the land and giving a portion of it's produce in exchange for being allowed to stay there. however this does not fall under normal renting, rather it goes into the section of semi-slavery - another topic.

here is a compilation from sahih muslim:

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[TD]Jabir b. Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) having forbidden the renting of land.[/TD]
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[TD]Jabir b. Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who has land should cultivate it himself, but if he does not cultivate it himself, then he should let his brother cultivate it.[/TD]
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[TD]Jabir b. Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported some of the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) had surplus of land. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: He, who has surplus land (in his possession) should cultivate it, or he should lend it to his brother for benefit, but if he refuses to accept it, he should retain it.[/TD]
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[TD]Jabir b. Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) having forbidden taking of rent or share of land.[/TD]
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[TD]Jabir (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who has land should cultivate it, but if he does not find it possible to cultivate it, or finds himself helpless to do so, he should lend it to his Muslim brother, but he should not accept rent from him.[/TD]
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[TD]Sulaiman b. Musa asked Ata': Did Jabir b. 'Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) as saying:" He who has land should cultivate it himself, or let his brother cultivate it, and should not give on rent"? He said: Yes.[/TD]
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[TD]Jabir (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) having forbidden Mukhabara.[/TD]
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[TD]Jabir b. Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) say: He who has surplus of land should either cultivate it himself, or let his brother cultivate it, an should not sell it. I (the narrator) said to Sa'id: What does his statement" do not sell it" mean? Does it imply" rent"? He said: Yes.[/TD]
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[TD]Jabir b. 'Abdullah reported: We used to cultivate land on rent during the lifetime of Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) and we got a share out of the grain left in the ears after threshing them and something unspecified. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: He who has land should cultivate it or let his brother till it, otherwise he should leave it.[/TD]
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[TD]Jabir b. Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported: We used to get land (on rent) during the lifetime of Allah's Messeuge, (may peace be upon him) with a share of one-third or one-fourth (of the produce from the land irrigated) with the help of canals. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) stood up (to address) and said: HRe who has land should cultivate it, and if he does not cultivate it, he should lend it to his brother, and if he does not lend it to his brother, he should then retain it.[/TD]
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[TD]Jabir (Allah he pleased with him) reported: I heard Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who has (surplus) land should donate it (to others), or lend it. This hadith has been narrated on the authority of A'mash with the same chain of transmitters, but with a slight change of words.[/TD]
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[TD]Jabir b. `Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reportedthat Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) had forbidden renting of land. Bukair (one of the narrators) said: Nafi` reported to me that he heard Ibn `Umar (Allah be pleased with them) saying: We usedto give land on rent; we then abandoned this practice when we heard the hadith of Rafi` b. Khadij.[/TD]
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[TD]Jabir (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) forbidding the selling (renting of) uncultivated land for two years or three.[/TD]
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[TD]Jabir (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) forbidding selling of (produce) in advance for two years, and in the narmtion of Ibu Abd Shaiba (the words are):" Selling of the fruits (on the tree) in advance for two years."[/TD]
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[TD]Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who has land should cultivate it or lend it to his brother, but if he refuses, he should retain his land.[/TD]
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Does this mean renting a property from someone is haraam or putting a house on rent is haraam? :hmm:
 
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Allah knows - i just gave you the hadith, you consider it and see if it makes sense, the emphasis does not seem to be on just finance - it is on social justice.
and the reasons for the prohibition of usury are not simply for the sake of the law itself but for social justice.

let's backtrack, say adam (pbuh) has 2 sons - they have 3 and 7 respectively, the seven have more power to take over the land or to lay claim to more, and this is to continue forever.
so they take it and rent it to the three, or the three later have more children and from then on the children of the 3 are born into economic bondage, unless they can financially beat the others who have the financial advantage of collecting the rent. or unless they can re-take it through war, a truly feudal system.

a man loses all his money, his children then rent, before they buy food the rent is required - since it is a debt. their children in turn are rent slaves, since a condition to their survival is paying for the God Given spot they rest on - even if they want to put a caravan on it. (food is covered by zakah), would you say the zakah should be perpetually handed over to the landlords (which will inevitably grow bigger by the year due to monopolization concentration at the top of the pyramid).
would you say it's fair - or the Prophet (pbuh)s method of distribution to those who need it - whatever the previous ownership.

i am aware some who like to label everything would term it "socialist", and Islam's concept of the free-market "capitalist", these are just names, the fact remains that the names were created long after different principles were practised.

some of Gaddafi's methods were interesting, he would apparently be really nice to small business, yet outright forbid mega-business. the state apparently took responsibility for that kind of thing,
this prevented illegal hoarding and monopolization, and buying power ruining the opportunities for average joe bloggs.

the western method of dealing with buying power is by subsidising the (no matter how rich) producers to sell at a lower cost to smaller business,
or if cheese was produced at a rate which would make prices shoot down, they would buy cheese with taxpayers money, and often store it in warehouses until it rotted.
or they would subsidize an item with taxpayer's money just to make it cheap in order to prevent it from being purchased from abroad.

Prices became high in the Prophet's (SAWS) time and people asked him to fix prices for them, he replied:
Allah is the One Who fixes prices, Who withholds, Who gives lavishly, and Who provides,
and I hope that when I meet Him none of you will have a claim against me for any injustice with regard to blood or property.”
(Reported by Ahmad, Abu Daoud, al-Tirmidhi, Ibn Majah, al-Dari and Abu Y'ala.)

he would allow the market to balance itself out, but the Islamic system would also prevent hoarding of essentials in order to manipulate the economy (also essential to the free market).
 
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^^ I don't understand this I am going to ask a scholar tomorrow insha'Allah
 
ßlµêßêll said:

It has to be that way for the next best thing no?

The Messenger of Allah (saw) said: "Prophethood will be amongst you for as long as Allah wills, then Allah will raise it up when He wills, then there will be Khilafah upon the way of Prophethood, then Allah will raise it up when He wills, then there will be biting Kingship, then oppressive Kingship, then there will be Khilafah Rashidah on the method of Prophethood.” (Ahmad)
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Thank you for posting the hadith! May Allah (SWT) reward you! :)
 
abz2000 said:
Allah knows - i just gave you the hadith, you consider it and see if it makes sense, the emphasis does not seem to be on just finance - it is on social justice.

let's backtrack, say adam (pbuh) has 2 sons - they have 3 and 7 respectively, the seven have more power to take over the land or to lay claim to more, and this is to continue forever.
so they take it and rent it to the three, or the three later have more children and from then on the children of the 3 are born into economic bondage, unless they can financially beat the others who have the financial advantage of collecting the rent.
would you say it's fair - or the Prophet (pbuh)s method of distribution to those who need it - whatever the previous ownership.
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Well Adam (pbuh) was given his own sharia as were all the prophets, scholars say renting is permissible, anyway we're side tracking, what should the person on that forum ask forgiveness for? I will inform them inshaAllah that they need to ask for forgiveness, once you tell me what they've done wrong.

Ibn Qudaamah said:

There is no dispute among the scholars concerning the fact that it is permissible to rent out property. Ibn al-Mundhir said: All the scholars from whom we acquired knowledge are unanimously agreed that renting out houses and animals is permissible.

And it is only permissible to rent them out for a specific, defined period, after viewing and defining the property in question, because it cannot be known otherwise. It is not permissible not to define the timescale or describe the property. This is the view of al-Shaafa’i.

Al-Mughni, 5/260.

The correct view is that the rental period does not have to be limited to a specific length of time, rather it can continue for months or decades, so long as that is with the agreement of both parties.

Ibn Qudaamah said:

If the rental is to last for a period it should be known, such as a month or a year. There is no dispute concerning that as far as we know. Because the timescale is important with regard to the property to be rented, so it must be known, just as when selling a commodity that can be measured, it should be sold by measure.

Al-Mughni, 5/251.

And he said:

The maximum period of renting cannot be defined, rather the property that is rented may continue to be rented so long as it is still sound, even if the period is lengthy. This is the view of all the scholars… because Allaah tells us that Shu’ayb (peace be upon him) said:

“on condition that you serve me for eight years; but if you complete ten years, it will be (a favour) from you”

[al-Qasas 28:27]

The law of the nations before us is our law too, unless there is evidence that it has been abrogated.

al-Mughni, 5/253

http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/45653/
 
A-Believer-25 said:
Thank you for posting the hadith! May Allah (SWT) reward you! :)
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It is funny how we know things in our heart, we believe them we see them, they unravel before us, yet by the very nature of our human condition, we can't tread or move forward or think ahead without reassurance.. Don't you think that's why Allah swt gave us an ummah 'kal bonyan'? that the prophet left us with the Sunnah that Allah swt gave us the perpetual unending gift of prayer? I am personally under that impression..:)

:w:
 
@ßlµêßêll:

I agree!

Indeed, without the Quran and sunnah, we would be lost! we all need to make du'a to Allah (SWT), insha-Allah.
 
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land is a non-perishable good, it is different from perishables. not all scholars will give you this opinion - but your intellect will,
renting out a non-perishable good it is not trade.
not all scholars will tell you that the promissory notes in our pockets are the dust from riba, and that we as an ummah need to work to move back to gold and silver.
the scholars who i have come across who condone the act of renting essential land go by events like khaybar - which are in a totally different context (slavery was a punishment).
it is a tricky subject in which we have to sometimes use our intellect, not all forms of riba are obvious, a little delving into the concept though will give you the ability to evaluate.
and why do you think banks focus so much on mortgages? it is a non-perishable commodity which can be used to compound - with no possibility of loss.
we are going off topic though,
pm me to discuss further
 
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abz2000 said:
land is a non-perishable good, it is different from perishables. not all scholars will give you this opinion - but your intellect will,
renting out a non-perishable good it is not trade.
not all scholars will tell you that the promissory notes in our pockets are the dust from riba, and that we as an ummah need to work to move back to gold and silver.
the scholars who i have come across who condone the act go by events like khaybar - which are in a totally different context (slavery was a punishment).
we are going off topic though,
pm me to discuss further
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It is when it's a business, he pays zakat on the rent money. basically anything for personal use is different to business. when its a business there is zakaah on it, these houses are business, anything rented.
 
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abz2000 said:
renting out a non-perishable good it is not trade
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The alternative to renting is usury not everyone can afford to pay for anything especially housing in one lump sum..
all the banks in the world run on a system of kuffr that's unfortunately our modern reality..:hmm:
 
It is when it's a business, he pays zakat on the rent money. basically anything for personal use is different to business. when its a business there is zakaah on it, these houses are business, anything rented.
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same could be said for gold - another non-perishable asset from the ground which zakah can be paid upon.
personal intellect and discretion is required.


ßlµêßêll said:
The alternative to renting is usury not everyone can afford to pay for anything especially housing in one lump sum..
all the banks in the world run on a system of kuffr that's unfortunately our modern reality..
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that's why we need to set up a system in palestine, the people there are insha Allah prepared.


مَنْ أَنصَارِي إِلَى اللَّهِ



وَالسَّابِقُونَ الأَوَّلُونَ مِنَ الْمُهَاجِرِينَ وَالأَنصَارِ وَالَّذِينَ اتَّبَعُوهُم بِإِحْسَانٍ رَّضِيَ اللّهُ عَنْهُمْ وَرَضُواْ عَنْهُ وَأَعَدَّ لَهُمْ جَنَّاتٍ تَجْرِي تَحْتَهَا الأَنْهَارُ خَالِدِينَ فِيهَا أَبَدًا ذَلِكَ الْفَوْزُ الْعَظِيمُ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv2ldEFvQiw&feature=related
 
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Salaam dear sis ,

ßlµêßêll said:


He's no martyr no prophet, no sahabi just another despot who found God when it is too late
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sis , Surely NATO did not kill him just because he was a bad Muslim .


pl. read his last will . Even if he was the most bad Muslim in the earth , he died with faith in one God and His last Prophet pbuh.

So , let's pray that Allah forgives his all sins and grants what is best for the Ummah.
 
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Salaam dear sis ,



sis , Surely NATO did not kill him just because he was a bad Muslim .


pl. read his last will . Even if he was the most bad Muslim in the earth , he died with faith in one God and His last Prophet pbuh.

So , let's pray that Allah forgives his all sins and grants what is best for the Ummah.
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Salaam,

Ah I'm certain he supported George Bush's war on terror to some extent. Some countries disliked him because he put his own national interest's first. It is mostly likely this man was involved in torture against individuals that did not like him.
 
Of course he was against terror, and manipulated to remain at odds with Islam due to paranoia,
mi6 were trying to get alCIAda to kill him, (they have controlled a mercenary group which operates under the banner of islam (false flag) which is used to unleash instability wherever they please).
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And I believe they didn't kill him because of torture either, since Cheney and bush were practicing it so much - they even tried to made it legal
 

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