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[Karina]

I second that.

As I said, these are personal opinions and experiences.

I could say that I have watched many horror movies with an 18 certificate but that doesn't make me an evil person nor does it mean I'm going to go out there and hack someone to death with a kitchen knife.

I could even go as far to say that they have COMPLETELY unaffected me. WHO KNOWS.... But hey, there are people out there who create computer-based lives for themselves, perhaps almost socially cut off from the outside world, with no social interaction other than in a virtual sense.

There ARE studies to support the notion that there may be psychological implications to this type of lifestyle.

As I was saying. If music is deemed to be bad, why is the life-like killing or maiming of a person treated with acceptance?

I apologise, but I don't understand?

 

[SixTen]

As I said, these are personal opinions and experiences.

I could say that I have watched many horror movies with an 18 certificate but that doesn't make me an evil person nor does it mean I'm going to go out there and hack someone to death with a kitchen knife.

I could even go as far to say that they have COMPLETELY unaffected me. WHO KNOWS.... But hey, there are people out there who create computer-based lives for themselves, perhaps almost socially cut off from the outside world, with no social interaction other than in a virtual sense.

There ARE studies to support the notion that there may be psychological implications to this type of lifestyle.

As I was saying. If music is deemed to be bad, why is the life-like killing or maiming of a person treated with acceptance?

I apologise, but I don't understand?

I guess, music is, scientifically known to affect human emotions and behaviour significantly relative to games.

 

[Karina]

So if they have no psychological effect, why are children not allowed to play them?

^o)

 

[SixTen]

So if they have no psychological effect, why are children not allowed to play them?

^o)

Children are susceptible to immitating, but this isn't limited to games - thats more of a universal thing. You go show them some power rangers, and they may be in the kitchen jumping off chairs. Children I would argue are a whole different case, they are influenced by everything, from what parents say, to even what they read. Hence, in all matters, you have to be careful with them, not just games, but everything - so I wouldn't consider that a good arguement against games.

 

[SixTen]

I would also like to add, as a child, I used to play pretty violent games , and watch some violent movies. In either cases, I didn't become violent, aggressive or the such - just saying .

 

[Karina]

I would also like to add, as a child, I used to play pretty violent games , and watch some violent movies. In either cases, I didn't become violent, aggressive or the such - just saying .

It's not sensible to put all children in the same catagory. As we've already highlighted, you sound like a fairly balanced chap who has remained unaffected by playing violent games (although why anyone would want to play these games is beyond me and I'm not entirely sure what is says about the player!).

Back to your previous comment about children being a different thing altogether that may be so in terms of their development.

NEWSFLASH: ADULTS ARE EASILY INFLUENCED TOO

Come on. We've all been influenced covertly by adverts. We've all done something because someone in authority says it's ok. We're followers. We're influenced just as much as children are but in different ways.

Anyway. Back to the original point.

Computer games like Halo 3 are simulated murder and I want to know why this is considered an acceptable passtime?

imsad :exhausted

 

[SixTen]

Oh come on, Halo 3? That is really hardly anything to worry about. I went to a cousins house a month or 2 ago, played this a bit, I think you will find it very hard to convince me these games need to be, censored.

We will have to agree to disagree, I am not convinced that games are that influential.

As for adverts, they are informing public of products - they are battling to look like the better product. I don't think we can put marketing in the same category as games influencing people to be aggressive/violent or the such.

Games are, just games in the end. I believe, when people read on the newspaper, that millions of muslims were killed in Iraq - would have influenced them to be angry and POSSIBLY become aggressive to some people, or wanting to go fight, kill - but playing Halo 3? Hardly. Its just a game, and people see it that way.

When I play Halo 3, we play laughing, jokingly, nothing serious is thought of it.

 

[Karina]

Well maybe that was a bad example!



OK Yes we will have to disagree.

So seriously in a nutshell what we are saying as an answer to our friend is that:

It is ok to act out the brutal ond/or bloody killing of a (simulated) person for pleasure, but it's a sin to listen to a bit of Mozart on the radio.

THE WORLD HAS GONE MAD.

Goodbye. :hiding:

 

[SixTen]

Well maybe that was a bad example!



OK Yes we will have to disagree.

So seriously in a nutshell what we are saying as an answer to our friend is that:

It is ok to act out the brutal ond/or bloody killing of a (simulated) person for pleasure, but it's a sin to listen to a bit of Mozart on the radio.

THE WORLD HAS GONE MAD.

Goodbye. :hiding:

I'd rather, compare Halo 3, to, maybe, some satanic Death metal songs, I think Mozart tends to follow with something like Tetris

 

[Karina]

I'd rather, compare Halo 3, to, maybe, some satanic Death metal songs, I think Mozart tends to follow with something like Tetris

Well actually I'm in total agreement that Satanic Death Metal should be banned altogether! haha it's AWFUL! What kind of person listens to that garbage???

Actually, Mozart is still music, so obviously it leads us to conclude that:

a bit of simulated mutilation, dismemberment or decapitation is entirely preferable to classical music!

As I said. It's a crazy world. :bump1:

 

[Karina]

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[SixTen]

This source on banning music is the same book which compares women to black dogs (which must be killed wherever they're seen as they're a "spawn of satan"). It has narrations of people watching how the prophet (S) urinated, astaghfirullah. It has narrations of men watching the prophet's (S) wives bathe (Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 5, Number 251), astaghfirullah. It has narrations of the holy prophet ordering women and children to be killed astaghfirullah. It has narrations of people watching Moses bathe, astaghfirullah. Etc. What do you expect?

It's rather hillarious.

Plus, I yet have to come across a game which has no background music, lol.

The Khan, you can have your DIY system of belief - but to go propogate this, in this manner is unnacceptable.

For your information, lets look at Bukhairi 1/5/251

Narrated Abu Salama:

'Aisha's brother and I went to 'Aisha and he asked her about the bath of the Prophet. She brought a pot containing about a Sa' of water and took a bath and poured it over her head and at what time there was a screen between her and us.

Doesn't seem so wrong now does it? People needed to be educated as to how to perform the ghusl. I'd go over your other claims but - from previous threads - it seems that you just don't take heed.

Now, you are known to have some very dodgy sources as your educational sources - and you are insulting the works of some of the most authoritive scholars in history - and your excuse is? That you are learning Islam in your own way and from your own sources.

I hope you understand, just how offensive a lot of the stuff you post are. Be careful, mods may just have you banned.

 

[brotherinfaith]

if you speak and can read arabic the khan you would have known that it's the wives of the prophet who narrated how they bath and about the prophet urinating it's not a mistery and the one who narrated the hadith was away from him also if you really read al bukhari you would know what the prophet told the people before his death about loking at his private parts and if you have that kind of belief i am really sorry for you
and music is unlawful whether you like that or not and a true muslim just obeys without having comments
let him brother sixten he seems one of those fooled people and that he just repeats what he hears without thinking about or reading '' inna aw iyakom aala hudan aw fi dalalin mobin ''

 

[SixTen]

SixTen, I'm not here to argue. I'm just showing my point of view regarding how baseless the prohibition of Music is, considering the revelation Allah (SWT) sent to Dawood (AHS) was the Zabur, and his gift was the sweetest meledious voice ever, which would make mountains and trees swing along with his voice.

Like I said earlier, I'm not attacking the narrations of the prophet. I'm attacking the 6 unislamic compilations by Bukhari, Muslim, Tirmidhi, etc.

No, you are showing how baseless your opinions are. You arn't giving any credible arguements - you don't even know any scholars. You are learning everything by yourself - hence - you are not allowed to give rulings of Islam. If you wish to, go do it on free-minds.org forum. This is an islamic forum, which only allows promotion of authentic opinions from scholars - not what you have learnt through reading websites with anyonymous writers (who btw, are progressionist muslims, they also advertise the submitters on their website, wonders why...)

When you have, real scholarly work to propose go ahead - but do not go insulting the sahih hadith collections - or make a mockery of them - because you are also making a mockery of those such as Hanifa, Malik, Shaafi etc. It won't be tolerated, I won't repeat myself. If you wan't to hold a personal opinion - so be it - but do not express it in a way where you mock consensus' of Islam, based on your highly limited (and arguably dodgy) knowledge.

I don't care if you don't want to argue, if you post stuff like that, I will not just ignore it.

 

[brotherinfaith]

the mountains and tree were glorifying allah with him not singing metal and hard rock and music in the quran is reffered to as the voice of satan surat a shuaraa

 

[barney]

I've thought of a problem.

You would have to turn off the microphone and chat options whilst playing online. I know that about 4% of the online gaming community is female and a large proportion of them are kaffir females. I played Halo online as well as COD4 and other MMO's. If you have the communication system working you may inadvertently end up talking to one.

 

[doorster]

yay! LI has its own scholar of "fiqh of games and movies" too (in sixten)!

 

[Karina]

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[Karina]

Does anyone else have an opinion on what the consensus would have been in the times of Prophet Muhammad if violent video games were available as a pass-time?

Are we still saying in answer to the original question that any games involving realistic killing and violence are ok for him to use?

 

[doorster]

I've thought of a problem.

You would have to turn off the microphone and chat options whilst playing online. I know that about 4% of the online gaming community is female and a large proportion of them are kaffir females. I played Halo online as well as COD4 and other MMO's. If you have the communication system working you may inadvertently end up talking to one.

I am beginning to see the value of your posts.