Gang Rape / Rape

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The least severe punishment should be chemical/physical castration if not death.

Sorry, what's chemical castration?


Anyway, I don't believe in castration. It doesn't actually solve anything. That person would probably still have thoughts of rape-regrading this castration fails as a punishment. A punishment should raise the criminal's conciousness to the terrible deed he/she has done. It should be a time of penance and reflection. The whole idea of prison (for people in there temporarily anyway) is to make the criminal fit enough so when he/she is out he/she can function normally in society.

However in the case of rape it is indeed, as someone else has said in this thread, second only to murder. So it's a difficult situation. Castration seems excessive but when I think of rape victims it's only too apt.

I don't know my thoughts on whether enough punishment is given. I think it's a case of whether the punishments actually solve anything. In some sense prison fails-as proven by repeat rapists. This doesn't mean however that we should resort to screaming "castration!" and that is the only gripe I have I guess.

 

[Snowflake]

^ chemical castration is temporary castration caused by medication.

This doesn't mean however that we should resort to screaming "castration!" and that is the only gripe I have I guess

I can't help but think if people had screamed "castration!" when rape statistics first began rising, then we wouldn't be voicing our lack of tolerence here today.

 

[barney]

After the head of the "rapist" hits the basket, following a fair trial. Incontrovetable evidence arises that the executed rapist was actually totally innocent.
Another man admits to it. He has his head chopped off.
Turns out he was mad. And he diddnt do it either.

If theyre in chokey and this happens , you can let them out. The only remit the dead get is a possibility of heaven.

 

[qassy!]

beat them to hell and let them die in pain.

 

[Abdul-Raouf]

I all ways think they should be executed.


All those who voted other than the 1st option....
Im sure you wont agree with ur choice... when it really happens.

May ALLAH protect us.

 

[Snowflake]

You know, sometimes upbringing can be horrible and good influences are rare. If there are good influences the parents could be telling the child what is wrong is OK. By this time the child would've looked up to his parents throughout his whole life and always listened the them, he would always listen to them no matter what. This is where you would need to let him live in a good neighbourhood and let the community be an example to him.

Bro, you're too softhearted, really. How is it possible to do what you're saying? It isn't. When we state things should be done a certain way, we gotta remember the possibility of personally having to deal (God forbid) with a rapist too one day. Would be invite him to our midst and help him mend our ways when he's just raped a member of our family? I can't see how anyone can/will do that. It's on that basis I disagree with you.

The best thing would be to help people to the right Path before they succumb to evil temptations. As they say, prevention is better than cure.

 

[Ali.]

Bro, you're too softhearted, really. How is it possible to do what you're saying? It isn't. When we state things should be done a certain way, we gotta remember the possibility of personally having to deal (God forbid) with a rapist too one day. Would be invite him to our midst and help him mend our ways when he's just raped a member of our family? I can't see how anyone can/will do that. It's on that basis I disagree with you.

The best thing would be to help people to the right Path before they succumb to evil temptations. As they say, prevention is better than cure.

The only reason you'd want to kill a rapist who raped a member of your family is out of anger. You think about how you'd feel if a member of your family was raped by someone, but have you ever thought if you were that rapist? Who was brought up emotionless, lived in a harsh environment/harsh neighbourhood and the rest of it which I'm not going to type all over again.

Plus as I said above, if the person was brought up correctly, taught what is good and what is bad and raped, then yes I agree with punishment. But you can't jump to punishments straight away without doing any thinking or background research on the rapist. It's like jailing a man who was taught that police were pigs, drugs don't do you any harm, robbery is an easy and acceptable way to earn money, and school is a waste of time, and to be harsh in life; kill, not to be too softhearted and spare the life of an innocent.

Do you think it would really be right to kill a man who would drown in confusion thinking what he had done was fine; everybody in his neighbourhood did it why was he getting killed for it?

 

[MustafaMc]

As Muslims we should strive for applying the punishment prescribed by Allah.

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...h-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1125407868541
The punishment for rape in Islam is the same as the punishment for zina (adultery or fornication), which is stoning if the perpetrator is married, and one hundred lashes and banishment for one year if he is not married.

Moreover, Ibn `Abdul-Barr (may Allah bless his soul) said:

The scholars are unanimously agreed that the rapist is to be subjected to the hadd punishment if there is clear evidence against him that he deserves the hadd punishment, or if he admits to that. Otherwise, he is to be punished (that is, if there is no proof that the hadd punishment for zina may be carried out against him because he does not confess and there are not four witnesses, then the judge may punish him and stipulate a punishment that will deter him and others like him). There is no punishment for the woman if it is true that he forced her and overpowered her. (Al-Istidhkaar, 7/146).

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[Souljette]

Bro Ali ^^^ these people are the ones with mental problems and that's fine but why give them three times..i don't agree with givng them chances three times..i only believe they get a chance first time nd tht's it....yes i know your talking about their conditioning and everything but no way after the first time if they get any1 tht's it...dey got their time to learn their lesson...second time their out

 

[Ali.]

Bro Ali ^^^ these people are the ones with mental problems and that's fine but why give them three times..i don't agree with givng them chances three times..i only believe they get a chance first time nd tht's it....yes i know your talking about their conditioning and everything but no way after the first time if they get any1 tht's it...dey got their time to learn their lesson...second time their out

I don't understand; what do you mean?

Are you saying they should not get a second chance?

 

[Souljette]

i think they should get a second chance but not a third chance

 

[Souljette]

^^ nd dat also depends on the way they were brought up..their past or their mental problems nd only den dey shuld get a second chance

 

[Ali.]

^^ nd dat also depends on the way they were brought up..their past or their mental problems nd only den dey shuld get a second chance

Yes, I agree with you.

 

[Snowflake]

The only reason you'd want to kill a rapist who raped a member of your family is out of anger. You think about how you'd feel if a member of your family was raped by someone, but have you ever thought if you were that rapist? Who was brought up emotionless, lived in a harsh environment/harsh neighbourhood and the rest of it which I'm not going to type all over again.

Plus as I said above, if the person was brought up correctly, taught what is good and what is bad and raped, then yes I agree with punishment. But you can't jump to punishments straight away without doing any thinking or background research on the rapist. It's like jailing a man who was taught that police were pigs, drugs don't do you any harm, robbery is an easy and acceptable way to earn money, and school is a waste of time, and to be harsh in life; kill, not to be too softhearted and spare the life of an innocent.

Do you think it would really be right to kill a man who would drown in confusion thinking what he had done was fine; everybody in his neighbourhood did it why was he getting killed for it?

Did I say I want rapists to be killed? I'm more for castration - even if the victim was a family member. You didn't answer my question. Would you sit down a person who'd done this injustice to a member of your family and help him change and justify his behavior because he'd been brought up in a harsh environment? Would you?

Everyone has emotions regardless of upbringing - that is unless you're brain dead or a zombie. Your profile of such a rapist is more of a do-gooder's imaginary 'I can change people' response than reality.

Most rapists are educated people who've had a normal upbringing. Anyone of these can rape under the influence of drink/drugs yet they might not have done so if they hadn't been under the influence. Do they deserve a second chance too? And above all how do you prove that the 'emotionless' rapist's upbringing was to blame? It could just be an excuse. Background checks prove nothing.

And anyway, if the rapist is 'emotionless' as you say, then why worry? He won't feel anything about being punished would he!?

So forget the tears - get the shears!

 

[MustafaMc]

As Muslims we should strive for applying the punishment prescribed by Allah.

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...h-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1125407868541
The punishment for rape in Islam is the same as the punishment for zina (adultery or fornication), which is stoning if the perpetrator is married, and one hundred lashes and banishment for one year if he is not married.

Moreover, Ibn `Abdul-Barr (may Allah bless his soul) said:

The scholars are unanimously agreed that the rapist is to be subjected to the hadd punishment if there is clear evidence against him that he deserves the hadd punishment, or if he admits to that. Otherwise, he is to be punished (that is, if there is no proof that the hadd punishment for zina may be carried out against him because he does not confess and there are not four witnesses, then the judge may punish him and stipulate a punishment that will deter him and others like him). There is no punishment for the woman if it is true that he forced her and overpowered her. (Al-Istidhkaar, 7/146).​

'Black Annie' at Parchman Prison Farm, Mississippi
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[FONT=Tahoma,Verdana,Arial] from "Worse than Slavery: Parchman Farm and the Ordeal of Jim Crow Justice", by David M. Oshinsky[/FONT]

[FONT=Tahoma,Verdana,Arial] New York Free Press, c.1996[/FONT]
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There was more. The true symbol of authority and discipline at Parchman was a leather strap, three feet long and six inches wide, known as "Black Annie," which hung from the driver's belt. Whipping had a long history in the South, of course, and not only on the slave plantations. It had been legally, often publicly, employed against white criminals for a host of minor crimes, and it had survived long after other forms of corporal punishment, such as branding and ear cropping, had been abolished.
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At Parchman (MS state prison not far from where I live), formal punishment meant a whipping in front of the men. It was done by the sergeant, with the victim stripped to the waist and spread-eagled on the floor. What convicts most remembered were the sounds of Black Annie: the "whistlin'" air, the crack on bare flesh, the convict's painful grunt.
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Public opinion in Mississippi strongly supported the lash. Prison officials and sheriffs, politicians and judges, church groups and newspapers -- most seemed to favor its use. "The whip makes no appeal to hidden virtue," said The Jackson Clarion-Ledger," but it is a sure and effective means of planting fear ... in the hearts of [criminals]. It is retribution, and retribution hurts." No one knew this better than the convicts who had felt Black Annie's clout. Their fear and pain were heard across the fields. http://www.corpun.com/usprr2.htm

Although this kind of punishment has been banned in USA, it was an effective punishment in prisons of the old days in the Deep South.

Why do we have to execute the rapist? 100 lashes in public with "Black Annie" would certainly put the "fear of God" in him and deter him from further offenses.

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[barney]

Interesting to compare jewish-christian divine laws on the matter.

Deuteronomy 22:23
If a woman is raped in town, kill her and the rapist. She should have cried for help.
If In the countryside, kill the rapist alone, cos she might have screamed for help and noone heard her.

Nice and simple, although a bit flawed and kinda minus 18th centuryish.

 

[crayon]

The only reason you'd want to kill a rapist who raped a member of your family is out of anger. You think about how you'd feel if a member of your family was raped by someone, but have you ever thought if you were that rapist? Who was brought up emotionless, lived in a harsh environment/harsh neighbourhood and the rest of it which I'm not going to type all over again.

Plus as I said above, if the person was brought up correctly, taught what is good and what is bad and raped, then yes I agree with punishment. But you can't jump to punishments straight away without doing any thinking or background research on the rapist. It's like jailing a man who was taught that police were pigs, drugs don't do you any harm, robbery is an easy and acceptable way to earn money, and school is a waste of time, and to be harsh in life; kill, not to be too softhearted and spare the life of an innocent.

Do you think it would really be right to kill a man who would drown in confusion thinking what he had done was fine; everybody in his neighbourhood did it why was he getting killed for it?

Are you honestly trying to convince us that rapists don't know that what they're doing is wrong? If someone is screaming at the rapist to stop, and he don't, he still thinks that's completely a-ok to be doing what he's doing? Come on, no matter what kind of environment you've been raised it, if someone is yelling their lungs out, you've got to know there's something not right going on.

 

[DAWUD_adnan]

personally, i think rapists should in turn be raped by gay men seriously and then they should be executed

BEST RESPONSE EVER.

 

[Ali.]

Did I say I want rapists to be killed? I'm more for castration - even if the victim was a family member. You didn't answer my question. Would you sit down a person who'd done this injustice to a member of your family and help him change and justify his behavior because he'd been brought up in a harsh environment? Would you?

Everyone has emotions regardless of upbringing - that is unless you're brain dead or a zombie. Your profile of such a rapist is more of a do-gooder's imaginary 'I can change people' response than reality.

Most rapists are educated people who've had a normal upbringing. Anyone of these can rape under the influence of drink/drugs yet they might not have done so if they hadn't been under the influence. Do they deserve a second chance too? And above all how do you prove that the 'emotionless' rapist's upbringing was to blame? It could just be an excuse. Background checks prove nothing.

And anyway, if the rapist is 'emotionless' as you say, then why worry? He won't feel anything about being punished would he!?

So forget the tears - get the shears!

Sorry I misread your post.

CASTRATION! I guess it's a fair enough punishment.
To answer your question: if the upbringing was horrendous, then why not.

Background check proves nothing? I think not. Hence the name; check his background. It does more than nothing I can assure you.

I never said emotionless - I said maybe he thought what he was doing was OK since everybody in his neighbourhood talked about it/did it. Do I really have to repeat over and over again?

Are you honestly trying to convince us that rapists don't know that what they're doing is wrong? If someone is screaming at the rapist to stop, and he don't, he still thinks that's completely a-ok to be doing what he's doing? Come on, no matter what kind of environment you've been raised it, if someone is yelling their lungs out, you've got to know there's something not right going on.

I am not trying to convince you anything. This thread was meant to have people posting their different opinions when suddenly I am bashed by 3 or more people.

You could be right - maybe I am wrong. It was an opinion only. Maybe Allah (SWT) has created mankind to think for themselves no matter what environment put in, I don't know.

 

[Soulja Girl]

personally, i think rapists should in turn be raped by gay men seriously and then they should be executed

^LOL! They should be punsihed severely...Dunno what could be a harsh punsihment though...Stoned to death? :hmm: So others can learn from their mistakes...