Gaza!!

[Keltoi]

The zionists must have suffered from heavy losses of their tanks and APCs, since bringing armour and other mechanised elements deep into populated areas leads to similar reversals. IDF chief and others at the helm of affairs might be suffering from mental disorder to take such fatal decisions.

Tanks and other armoured vehicles are always easy targets for short range shoulder fired RPGs, the reason why mechanised elements are taught to by-pass towns and cities in the conventional wars, leaving resistance to be cleared by Infantry in the subsequent stages.

No, the Israelis are quite good at planning and executing urban combat scenarios. Shoulder fired rpg weapons are somewhat effective, depending upon the nature of the rocket, but against tanks they would be less effective. Armored vehicles and APCs would be more vulnerable, but usually they enter a combat zone after heavy bombardment and air cover.

The most effective weapon against armored tanks and the like are the Iranian style IED devices. Having said that, they are less effective now that the U.S. has steel plated their armored vehicles. Imagine an armored Humvee sitting in a giant hole after an IED attack and driving away...that is what is happening more and more often when it comes to IED attacks in Iraq.

As for the Israelis, they told the U.S. to steel plate their Humvees because they do it already. So the possibility of Israel losing 5 tanks, much less 20, is highly unlikely.

 

[sister herb]

Zionists have no suffers; they ask more money and military help from USA.



Poor Americans whose pay all this useless "war against terrorism".

 

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[Trumble]

Israel has declared a unilateral ceasefire from 2400 GMT.

BBC

 

[sister herb]

By that ceasefire they just stop they attacks to Gaza but continue siege and occupation both Gaza and the West Bank.

 

[Najm]

AsSalamOAlaikum WaRehmatuAllah WaBarkatuhu

The occupation continues, the oppressions continues and the siege continues....


FiAmaaniAllah

 

[ahsan28]

No, the Israelis are quite good at planning and executing urban combat scenarios. Shoulder fired rpg weapons are somewhat effective, depending upon the nature of the rocket, but against tanks they would be less effective. Armored vehicles and APCs would be more vulnerable, but usually they enter a combat zone after heavy bombardment and air cover.

The most effective weapon against armored tanks and the like are the Iranian style IED devices. Having said that, they are less effective now that the U.S. has steel plated their armored vehicles. Imagine an armored Humvee sitting in a giant hole after an IED attack and driving away...that is what is happening more and more often when it comes to IED attacks in Iraq.

As for the Israelis, they told the U.S. to steel plate their Humvees because they do it already. So the possibility of Israel losing 5 tanks, much less 20, is highly unlikely.

Regardless of the measures taken by Israel to protect its tanks and armoured vehicles, prior to launching operation, they wouldn't have been able to eliminate the limitations at the tactical level. As soon tanks start reducing their stand-off distance, they suffer from comparative blindness and cannot engage closer targets effectively due to limited field of fire and observation. This is the time, when tank hunting parties appear suddenly from nearby hidden positions, fire rockets at the tracks of the tanks and immediately disappear. Barrel and tracks of tanks are highly vulnerable to RPGs.

In addition, if a daring guy manages to get closer to the tank and lobbes a grenade in the barrel, the tank becomes ineffective. I believe, Hamas must have taken proper care of IDF limitations during combat. Destruction of 15-20 tanks shouldn't be a big deal for Hamas whereas for zionists, it means more than a squadron.

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

Israel has declared a unilateral ceasefire from 2400 GMT.

BBC

but as far as ive heard (from PressTV) that "Israeli attacks follow Israels declaration of a cease-fire"...

and http://www.presstv.ir/gaza/detail.aspx?id=82763

meh, dunno why (if anyone) was holding their breaths..

 

[Trumble]

Press TV is a propaganda mouthpiece for the Iranian government. If the story appears on Al Jazeera I might believe it.

Nobody else has reported these 'attacks'.

 

[IslamicRevival]

Press TV is a propaganda mouthpiece for the Iranian government. If the story appears on Al Jazeera I might believe it.

Nobody else has reported these 'attacks'.

I was watcing LIVE coverage of gaza and i saw bombs being dropped from an Israeli fighter jet/F16.

Press TV is the truth and only bigots like you would say otherwise!

Its disgraceful you keep on trying to justify this massacre and support the Nazi Israelis.

 

[aadil77]

When number of deaths did appear - sometimes as a graphic at the bottom of the screen - it was identified as the number of "people killed" rather than being attributed specifically to Palestinians.

*******s, that picture is probably a random picture of a child crying in israel

 

[aadil77]

Press TV is a propaganda mouthpiece for the Iranian government. If the story appears on Al Jazeera I might believe it.

Nobody else has reported these 'attacks'.

no-one else reported israel breaking the previous ceasefire either

 

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Deleted.

 

[Najm]

*******s, that picture is probably a random picture of a child crying in israel

AsSalamOAlaikum WaRehmatuAllah WaBarkatuhu

That probably IS a random picture!! They compared the 2 pictures at a time when 350 Palestinians had been slaughtered.

That article(Post #174) shows all the typical propaganda and ignorance played by the west.:raging:

FiAmaaniAllah

 

[Najm]

but as far as ive heard (from PressTV) that "Israeli attacks follow Israels declaration of a cease-fire"...

and http://www.presstv.ir/gaza/detail.aspx?id=82763

meh, dunno why (if anyone) was holding their breaths..

AsSalamOAlaikum WaRehmatuAllah WaBarkatuhu

Yeah air strike were still going on, after the ceasefire, and i wouldnt be surprised if it carried on, The seige really has been going on for years, dont expect things to change that quick

Israelli need to pull out now, because Obama becomes president, and Israelli elections are coming soon, and now they must use the propaganda....

*Election campaign to run.* *9th FEBURARY 2009*


FiAmaaniAllah

 

[Keltoi]

Regardless of the measures taken by Israel to protect its tanks and armoured vehicles, prior to launching operation, they wouldn't have been able to eliminate the limitations at the tactical level. As soon tanks start reducing their stand-off distance, they suffer from comparative blindness and cannot engage closer targets effectively due to limited field of fire and observation. This is the time, when tank hunting parties appear suddenly from nearby hidden positions, fire rockets at the tracks of the tanks and immediately disappear. Barrel and tracks of tanks are highly vulnerable to RPGs.

In addition, if a daring guy manages to get closer to the tank and lobbes a grenade in the barrel, the tank becomes ineffective. I believe, Hamas must have taken proper care of IDF limitations during combat. Destruction of 15-20 tanks shouldn't be a big deal for Hamas whereas for zionists, it means more than a squadron.

Taking out one tank would be a big deal for Hamas.

 

[crayon]

Press TV is a propaganda mouthpiece for the Iranian government. If the story appears on Al Jazeera I might believe it.

Nobody else has reported these 'attacks'.

I was doubtful of this at first too.
But just a short while ago I heard this same thing mentioned on Al Jazeera; that even though Israel had declared the ceasefire, some attacks were still witnessed.
I'm looking for it from more sources online now, though. It's sort of difficult to find anything though, since virtually all articles have the words "israel, gaza, ceasefire, attack" in them.

 

[Trumble]

I was doubtful of this at first too.
But just a short while ago I heard this same thing mentioned on Al Jazeera; that even though Israel had declared the ceasefire, some attacks were still witnessed.
I'm looking for it from more sources online now, though. It's sort of difficult to find anything though, since virtually all articles have the words "israel, gaza, ceasefire, attack" in them.

True. Everybody seems agreed that Hamas fired a number (10 seems to usual figure) of rockets into Israel after the Israelis announced a ceasefire, and Al Jazeera suggests the Israelis subsequently attacked the suspected launch sites, which would not be surprising. There are inevitably going to be minor clashes on the ground, too, until the Israelis withdraw - we just have to hope nothing gets out of hand.

 

[sister herb]

Palestinian resistance factions declare conditional ceasefire
2009-01-18



Palestinian resistance factions declared on Sunday a one week ceasefire in the Gaza Strip at the end of which the Zionist occupation forces should leave the Strip and open crossings to allow entry of humanitarian, relief assistance and all needs of the people.

The factions in a statement expressed readiness to respond to any effort especially those of Egypt, Turkey, Syria and Qatar to reach an agreement that would lead to lifting the siege on Gaza once and for all and opening all crossings including that of Rafah.

Meanwhile, Al-Quds Brigades, the armed wing of Islamic Jihad Movement, said in a statement on Sunday that it lost 34 of its cadres in the three weeks of bloody IOF attacks against the Strip.

The armed wing added that Jihad members killed 18 IOF soldiers and wounded 56 others while 16 settlers were also injured after its elements fired 235 homemade missiles and mortar shells at IOF targets in Gaza and settlements adjacent to the Strip.

http://www.alqassam.ps/english/?action=showdetail&fid=1422

 

[sister herb]

True. Everybody seems agreed that Hamas fired a number (10 seems to usual figure) of rockets into Israel after the Israelis announced a ceasefire, and Al Jazeera suggests the Israelis subsequently attacked the suspected launch sites, which would not be surprising. There are inevitably going to be minor clashes on the ground, too, until the Israelis withdraw - we just have to hope nothing gets out of hand.

Just few hours after zionists agreed ceasefire, they bombed civilians in Gaza by white phosphorous.

Sounds interesting ceasefire.