‘Gender segregation’ debate – ‘Muscular Liberals’ target Muslim Women yet again

[Karl]

KARL: no it wouldn't be best for muslim women to choose motherhood rather than go to university. Motherhood is far more rewarding, yes.and far more important. However, we muslim women are obligated to be educated as are muslim men (as you know there are many hadiths and a surah in the quran referencing this). So we muslim women aim to both educate ourselves AND be mothers, but for muslim sisters growing up in the uk where we have no one to look after our children whilst we study (no extended family unit, rare nowadays), it makes better sense for us to go to university and reach a good standard of education this way and have children after.because it is extremely difficult to study at home, with children around.and since we will be raising the next generation of young men and women, , it's surely preferable that they are raised by women with a high standard of education . I'm a little disappointed to hear you (a muslim male) say that muslim women ought to choose motherhood over education as if we shouldnt do both.

As for the whole issue of gender segregation, what is actually the issue?? Because as I understand it, , it's muslims requesting that muslims are alllowed to be segregated at events.no one is wanting to impose this upon non muslims so whats the problem?? If there is an event where there are both non muslims and muslims, then just do segregated and mixed areas . It's so simple.
But I actually think the problem is different.i think that, and I hope I'm wrong but, I think the whole issue is more about people's ignorant assumptions that muslim women are somehow very subtly brainwashed and/or coerced into believing that segregation is right.that frankly, we are somehow oppressed beings who are simply going along with the whole islam thing in general because of various reasons.and this all goes back to incorrect knowledge about islam and Islam's history. And how women in islam has become such a major issue all of a sudden because the west just struggle to believe that we really do choose to become muslims because it is a viable alternative to the western lifestyle.but it's hard for people lime david cameron et al to get on board with this.if the status quo would believe and accept that those of us women who choose islam are doing it because it is better for us, then there would be a problem because more women would choose it, once they knew the real as opposed to fabricated islam, and therein lies a problem for david cameron et al.once the sheeps are all gone, the shepherds have no one to herd and lead.
Are there any other sisters who think this? As a revert myself, since covering my hair I've noticed a change in that people are very surprised when they see I'm intelligent and certainly not oppressed.

Wow, you want to be highly educated and work and have children. Allah provides, you don't have to work yourself to death. Have you fallen into the feminist trap backed by the corporates that need wage slaves. So it isn't enough for men to be at the grindstone, Muslim women have to join them too?
And universities have mixed sexes so chaperoning females would cost a fortune for the father. I suppose female only universities would solve that problem.
BTW the Quran doesn't say anything about going to universities.
But the crux of the problem is that Britain is a Zionist state. Do they ever put the boot into the Jews? No, not even the so called "right wing" groups.

 

[Karl]

No, it would not be best. For some, yes, if that's what he and she want and it is good for them, then they should do it. But making that mandatory or forcing it for every couple? It's better to be alive and nontraditional than be dead and traditional. I work because my husband is in bad health. I educate myself so I can make more money, to be prepared for something major like a hospitalization. I'm much happier knowing that my husband and son are provided for than if I was sitting at home on my hands watching my family grow thinner and thinner. (And, no, our families can't afford to help us anymore than we can afford for me to not work.)

Yes as a Taoist you must make the most of what you get in life and try and enjoy your lot. Muslims have a social network of support, Zakat pays for welfare etc. Britain is a welfare state and USA has Obama care.
" It's better to be alive and nontraditional than be dead and traditional" sic that is debatable.
But Muslim women going to University and mixing with men doesn't sound like a Muslim thing to do. Especially Universities with godless men on the prowl.

 

[tearose]

A colleague of Mendoza and a better known front man for the HJS is Douglas Murray its Associate Director.

If Murray is involved in this then it wouldn't surprise me if this is part of a wider anti-Islam campaign. I have seen him on tv a few times trying to encourage Muslims to reject verses from the Qur'an and reject Islamic teachings.

 

[AsheSkyler]

Yes as a Taoist you must make the most of what you get in life and try and enjoy your lot. Muslims have a social network of support, Zakat pays for welfare etc. Britain is a welfare state and USA has Obama care.
" It's better to be alive and nontraditional than be dead and traditional" sic that is debatable.
But Muslim women going to University and mixing with men doesn't sound like a Muslim thing to do. Especially Universities with godless men on the prowl.

Obamacare is just health insurance. That doesn't put food on the table or keep the lights on. America has food stamps, but that still doesn't keep the lights or heat on. I'm sorry that my husband's poor health and my choice of philosophy has offended you. God has always been good to me and has only given me more blessings the more I try to take care of our family. May Allah show you the mercy He has to me and someday give you the joy and peace that I have everyday.

I don't see why there aren't Muslim or women's only universities. There's always the option to take courses online and then meet with the students you want to study with, but I have yet to see a school that lets you do it entirely online. There would still be visits to campus. Can't say I'm concerned about "godless men" so much as any person with their mind in the gutter. Women and any God-fearing people are both quite capable of vulgarity. And they really don't like being told "no".

 

[faithandpeace]

There comes a point where we need to devote less time to blaming the kaffirs and more time to getting our own houses in order. In my country there are millions of Muslims yet virtually no Islamic universities. Why is that? No sharia banking either. In my city there are many Muslims yet barely any K-12 Muslim schools and badly managed ones at that. There is not even one reliable clothing store for hijabs, abayas, etc. and the masjids can't even get the athan times straight. Yet there is no shortage of "Muslim" owned liquor stores or hookah lounges. Clearly there is an issue with the priorities of this ummah. So while it is unfortunate that the kuffar opposes us in their nations, societies, and institutions, what are we doing to build our own? There are enough Muslims in the U.S. and the U.K. to build our own universities, have our own banking, manufacture and distribute our own clothing, and live in our own communities under Islamic values while still obeying the laws of the land. We need to stand for justice when it comes to practicing our religion in society including the right to self segregate by gender but at the same time we need to work towards being independent from the kaffir institutions and build our own. What is the excuse? Allah (swt) knows best.

 

[sugaray21]

KARL: Wow, you want to be highly educated and work and have children. Allah provides, you don't have to work yourself to death. Have you fallen into the feminist trap backed by the corporates that need wage slaves. So it isn't enough for men to be at the grindstone, Muslim women have to join them too?
And universities have mixed sexes so chaperoning females would cost a fortune for the father. I suppose female only universities would solve that problem.
BTW the Quran doesn't say anything about going to universities.
But the crux of the problem is that Britain is a Zionist state. Do they ever put the boot into the Jews? No, not even the so called "right wing" groups.

But Muslim women going to University and mixing with men doesn't sound like a Muslim thing to do. Especially Universities with godless men on the prowl.
No way, I don’t want all three I don’t believe women can have all three, not at the same time. it’s not physically or mentally possibly to work and raise children and educate yourself at the same time. It’s the government dangling carrots in front of women isn’t it, the lure of being a working ‘mother’ earning money while at the same time having children and job satisfaction when in actual fact the children are the ones that lose out, and are left to be raised by strangers. And only the government benefits in the end. It’s so transparent. You can’t work and at the same time raise kids to the full potential. Any woman worth her salt knows this. And proper muslim women will never prescribe to the feminist nonsense because we don't need to because in islam women and men are equals with differences and we believe the family comes first, intellectual pursuits or careers an added bonus. Wage slaves is absolutely spot on. Wage and debt slaves. I wouldn’t wish a job at the grindstone on anyone, much less muslim women whose priority is raising a family first and foremost. But unfortunately there are many muslim women out there who don’t have the luxury of choice and have to work or study to get a specialised job in order to pay the bills, those who don’t have husbands or have husbands who don’t earn enough. I know of muslim women who don't want to work but can't get husbands or whose husbands simply do not earn enough money for them to raise a family on. Could say lots on the whole feminist trap but I won’t, but I agree with you it is a trap, a facade. As for education you don’t have to mix with men at university it is more than possible to avoid that altogether. I went for 3 years, and managed it quite easily. If you are wearing a headscarf, men avoid approaching you anyway (result!) men sense women in a hijab are basically projecting that ‘don’t come near me’ vibe. Unless you’re talking about pious men or pious (headscarf wearing) women on the prowl in which case I wouldn’t even know what to say about that, that’s a whole other topic!. But men on the prowl who are non muslim are going to be too busy looking at and/or sniffing around the women who are not only half naked, but also showing an interest in them. Or even if they are not showing an interest, godless men on the prowl will naturally gravitate towards women who are not wearing a headscarf if you see what I mean. Quran doesn’t mention universities, granted, but we can’t expect academically minded intelligent muslim women, who for whatever reason cannot study their chosen subject at home or online, and who for whatever reason that allah wills have not yet married or had kids, to not go to university to get the intellectual stimulation they crave. Study of islam is a priority, yes, and fulfilling yes of course, there are no ends to learning the various branches of the religion, but some women are keen to increase their knowledge in other areas too like maths or languages or science or other areas that can only be achieved at a university at that level. We have to adapt to our environment. There is the safety aspect of a muslim woman at a mixed university but it is a personal choice to an extent. Brother remember that my view is not the view of all muslim women; we are all individuals we all have different ways of thinking and varying degrees of imaan. Those of us with good intentions want to follow the sunnah and the quran to the letter, but in the world we live in, we do decide to adapt slightly to the society that we are living in, in order to achieve our goals. There is a big difference between adapting slightly and keeping your beliefs and integrating completely and losing your beliefs in the process.
Peace and duas.