German trial over stabbing death of Muslim woman

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According to islam that is not justice, but what can you do? Regarding being satisfied with the punishment, I doubt the husband is gonna be satisfied knowing that his wife and child are dead whilst the murderer is still alive in this world.

No punishment can bring back the dead, but the death sentence would atleast rid the world of these criminals straight away, the husband would probably think alot less about his wife's murderer knowing that he's dead in his grave rather than alive and kicking.

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Life sentence can be seen as a very fitting punishment. The prisoner will never see daylight and is stuck behind the cells for the rest of his entire life. He will die a slow and miserable death. I think some people could become mentally disturbed from being isolated for a long time.
 
Life imprisonment is the highest punishment possible in Germany.

Are people satisfied with the sentencing?

I'm not saying " A killer should be killed" but in this case he killed a person, a PREGNANT mother. he ruined a family. He gets a life imprisonment - wich you can't call it life anymore and neither death yet - and HIS family is ruined as well.

unless he has a serious psychological mental problems, which I doubt he has. He had mental stability so far I know, he has chosen for this himself.

A life imprisonment, well at least he can think and regret or even seek repentance for a long long time.

btw is that cop, who shot the husband also prosecuted?
 
Greetings, Humbler

Perhaps 'satisfied' for the wrong term to use.
What this man did was terrible and inexcusable ... and nothing will ever be enough to repay the grief and hurt, which he has caused!

I guess what I meant was, given that some people have called for the death penalty, do they feel the German law has done justice?


Greeting back to you Glo,

At least I think we got very bad person in jail, let him look at the wall for what he did for the rest of his life. If you are asking me regarding German's justice, I don't know. Death sentences is a better choice, in my humble opinion.
 
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I Am happy with the outcome he got life in prison but life means only 3 or 5years maybe even 10years in Europe guys do you know that he will be released on good behaviour thats how the justice system works in Europe
 
Life imprisonment is the highest punishment possible in Germany.

Are people satisfied with the sentencing?

No, he needs the death penalty in a public square to be made an example out of!
 
I think at this point we all need to be aware he got the maximum punishment allowed in Germany. The death penalty is illegal in Germany for any crime.

While many want the death penalty for him, we have to remember he was tried and convicted under man made laws and we need to have Faith that in time he will face Allah(swt) and at that time he will receive what he deserves. We have to further have Faith that is is the will of Allah(swt) that this crime occurred in Germany and not in a country that permits capital punishment.
 
Insha'Allah, he'll receive what he deserves here and in the hereafter.. I hope they put him with a real brute who even if he doesn't think much of Muslim women will at least do him in for being a baby killer..
animals of his nature don't deserve a roof over their head and to be fed three times a day.. how lucky is he to not have to work again and be fed and given medical care, after putting two people in the ground!

7asbona Allah wa'ni3ma alwakeel!
 
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I Am happy with the outcome he got life in prison but life means only 3 or 5years maybe even 10years in Europe guys do you know that he will be released on good behaviour thats how the justice system works in Europe

In Germany a sentenced person must be prisoned for at least around 15 years to apply for a parole, it kinda depends on the individual.

he has luck that he didn't get sentenced in The Netherlands, their neighbor country because here Life imprisonment means really LIFE imprisonment.
 
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I Am happy with the outcome he got life in prison but life means only 3 or 5years maybe even 10years in Europe guys do you know that he will be released on good behaviour thats how the justice system works in Europe

If his prosecution is upheld he will have no option for parole or early release. I do not know the appeal process in Germany or if there is any.

Here in the USA each state has it's own option in some states the appeal process is automatic for capital punishment cases. In other states the attitude is execute the convicted, we will write an apology if we were wrong.Texas for instance has the Death penalty and does apply it often Texas prisoners on Death row are normally executed within a year.

Texas gets a lot criticism as it has been shown that on several occasions in Texas- people have been found to be innocent after the execution.
 
Articles from The Times

In particular, note this part:
“We find you bear a particularly heavy burden of guilt,” said Judge Birgit Wiegand. The phrase is German legal language indicating that Mr Wiens will not be considered for early release. Fifteen years constitutes a life sentence.
 
Can he be punished twice?

In theory, if he is punished on earth, then he has paid for his crime and a compassionate god will welcome him to heaven!

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That would be true if he showed a sliver of remorse.. he's been given two chances and twice he blew it in the most callous and hateful fashion.. Indeed I hope he suffers a grievous torture in his prison cell, and may he rot in hell for all eternity..

all the best!
 
Can he be punished twice?

In theory, if he is punished on earth, then he has paid for his crime and a compassionate god will welcome him to heaven!

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In this case an analogy what if the woman's husband had caught up with him before the trial and beat him to a bloody pulp. Would this lessen the German's court's authority to punish him?

so it is here. The Human court tried and convicted him, he still has to be tried by Allaah(swt). this is not double jeopardy. Only the mans body faced earthly punishment. Ho he lives from now until the time he dies will determine what if any judgment Allaah(swt) pronounces. For all we know Allaah(swt) may know a reason he should not be punished, perhaps he undergoes a total change of life and becomes a pious person. He can still escape hellfire.
 
Can he be punished twice?

In theory, if he is punished on earth, then he has paid for his crime and a compassionate god will welcome him to heaven!

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If he becomes muslim; him being punished in the next life will depend on wether he is forgiven over here

But if he remains non-muslim then yep as non of his repentance counts

Remember, he can still get punished through other ways by Allah in this world
 
Can he be punished twice?

In theory, if he is punished on earth, then he has paid for his crime and a compassionate god will welcome him to heaven!

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what you just said is actually valid from an Islamic viewpoint, but NOT EXACTLY, now if this guy was executed, and repented before hand etc then that would act as his punishment and he would be saved from further punishment on this crime in the here after. but you see he isnt getting the just punishment, because someone is dead, and he still lives, and the familly obviously didnt forgive him and just ask for blood money.

so with that said, he will still be punished in the next world, that is unless he repents, and then its up to God.
 
If he becomes muslim; him being punished in the next life will depend on wether he is forgiven over here

But if he remains non-muslim then yep as non of his repentance counts

Remember, he can still get punished through other ways by Allah in this world

Perhaps someone can explain the highlighted bit some more.

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Perhaps someone can explain the highlighted bit some more.

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Its simple, if you're muslim and you sin then you repent, assuming that repentance is accepted you won't be punished in the next life for that sin, but you may be punished in this life instead.

Now you probably know we believe that all disbeleivers will be punished eternally in hell no matter what sins they've commited, so it doesn't matter what he's done there's no way he will get a 'welcome' to 'heaven', that is unless he converts at some point.
 
Maximum Sentence for Racist Murderer

Alex W., the man who stabbed pregnant Egyptian pharmacist Marwa al-Sherbini to death in a courtroom in Dresden in July, was sentenced to life in prison on Wednesday. The judge imposed the harshest possible sentence under the German system by ruling that W. will not be eligible for parole after 15 years.

A court in Dresden sentenced Alex W., a German man of Russian origin, to life in prison on Wednesday for murdering Marwa al-Sherbini, a pregnant Egyptian woman, by stabbing her 16 times in a courtroom in a case that caused outrage across the Arab world.


The judge, Birgit Wiegand, ruled that the crime was so brutal that Alex W., who moved to Germany in 2003, will not be eligible for parole after 15 years. He may be in jail for between 18 and 25 years before a board reviews whether he can get parole.

The prosecution said W., 28, had murdered al-Sherbini out of racial hatred. She had been testifying against him in a court hearing in Dresden on July 1. That hearing was held after W. had appealed against a €780 ($1,170) fine for calling al-Sherbini an "Islamist", "terrorist" and "****" when she asked him to let her son go on the swings at a playground in August 2008.

W. admitted killing al-Sherbini but had argued that his actions were not premeditated. His attorneys had sought a manslaughter conviction. The defendant hid his face under a hood and sunglasses during the trial.

Al-Sherbini's husband, a scientist, was stabbed and suffered serious injuries when he intervened to protect her during the July 1 attack. He was then shot in the leg by a police officer who had rushed into the courtroom and mistook him for the attacker. The couple's three-year-old son witnessed the incident.

Judge Wiegand said Alex W., who was unemployed, had regarded life in Germany as "multicultural ****" and believed foreigners were depriving him of work. She said he despised Muslims in particular and ignored the fact that he himself was not of German origin, she said.

W.'s sentence was the maximum under German law. However people in al-Sherbini's home city of Alexandria, Egypt, said it was not enough, the Associated Press reported. "She died, but he's still alive," said neighbor Badr Shorbagy, 57.

Prosecutor Frank Heinrich had said in his closing arguments on Monday that W. had been motivated by a hatred of Muslims. "Like a maniacal, cold-blooded killer, he started stabbing the woman and her husband, who was trying to protect her," Heinrich said.

The Egyptian ambassador to Germany, Ramzy Ezzeldin Ramzy, said he was satisfied with the sentence because it was the harshest possible.

cro -- with wire reports

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So he shot the husband by accident and then what? He just stopped and let the real attacker stab the muslim female 18 freakin times? I can understand maybe once or twice, but 18 times? What was he doing? Reloading?!

He should have just shot him there and then - he was quick enough to shoot the husband!

This whole case is an utter farce, and hopefully, this scumbag in question will get death penalty: he killed someone (who was pregnant [that's double murder btw] AND suing him for defamation [wow, how many crimes has he commited now?!) in court - it would be an insult to the justice system if this ass-wipe does not receive death penalty.

Absolute nonsense.

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I was wondering the same, what was everyone doing?!, when this poor girl was being stabbed 18xTIMES.
 

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