Ghosts Of Abu Gharib-yet Another Cover Up Story

[wilberhum]

Nick Berg was beheaded in response to abuses at Abu Ghraib

There are reasons and there are excuses.

Abu Ghraib was an excuse, terrorism was the reason.

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

I don't think her implication was ALL Mujahideen.
But I think your implication is ALL Mujahideen.
ALL is wrong, which ever side you are taking.:raging:

Thank you for that. Yes, when Margaret Hassan was video-taped, her captives claimed to be Mujahideen. If they were, they were not led by Zarqawi because he got online and called for her immediate release, reminding her captors of their duty to Sharia. He also played a pivitol role in Jill Carroll's release. This wasn't a favor... it was merely because she was an innocent.

Abu Musab al-Zarqawi did try to address the problem with renegade groups who used the name Mujahideen, but did not live up to the responsibilities that go with the name. This is why he formed the MSC. Killing him, in my humble opinion was an enormous mistake!

Ninth Scribe

 

[MTAFFI]

There are reasons and there are excuses.

Abu Ghraib was an excuse, terrorism was the reason.

I just watched the video on this, I must say I have a lot of hate right now towards some people. The man was a contractor and had nothing to do with the torture at Abu Gharib. People wonder why there is Islamophobia, gee maybe it is because people cut innocents heads off, broadcast the event, tell the parents bodies will continue to come back like this, and shout God is Great while they are doing it.

I was researching Islam and the Quran, but after witnessing this so help me God I will never touch that book again except to get rid of it :raging: :raging: :raging: :raging: :skeleton: :enough!:

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

There are reasons and there are excuses.

Abu Ghraib was an excuse, terrorism was the reason.

Abu Musab al-Zarqawi: One of the men behind Berg in the video read a statement that referred to the "satanic degradation" of Iraqi prisoners and said: "For the mothers and wives of American soldiers, we tell you that we offered the U.S. administration to exchange this hostage for some of the detainees in Abu Ghraib, and they refused. Coffins will be arriving to you one after the other, slaughtered just like this."

Zarqawi's role in Iraq was defensive. Those Iraqis who requested his help in thwarting the U.S. invasion of Iraq were within their right. The invasion is illegal... a conclusion even King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia now agrees with.

I'm past caring about issues of pride or saving face. We should leave Iraq.

Ninth Scribe

 

[MTAFFI]

Abu Musab al-Zarqawi: "For the mothers and wives of American soldiers, we tell you that we offered the U.S. administration to exchange this hostage for some of the detainees in Abu Ghraib, and they refused. Coffins will be arriving to you one after the other, slaughtered just like this."

Zarqawi's role in Iraq was defensive. Those Iraqis who requested his help in thwarting the U.S. invasion of Iraq were within their right. The invasion is illegal... a conclusion even King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia now agrees with.

I'm past caring about issues of pride or saving face. We should leave Iraq.

Ninth Scribe

AND WHO IS ZARQAWI TO TELL ANYONE ANYTHING? IS HE THE ELECTED LEADER OF IRAQ? TELL ME OH GREAT SMART ONE, WHERE DOES HIS AUTHORITY COME FROM, CUTTING OFF THE HEADS OF INNOCENT CONTRACTORS! WHO IS HE NOW, NO ONE BECAUSE HE IS DEAD AND RIGHTFULLY SO, I HOPE HE ENJOYS HIS STAY IN HELL:raging:

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

I just watched the video on this, I must say I have a lot of hate right now towards some people. The man was a contractor and had nothing to do with the torture at Abu Gharib. People wonder why there is Islamophobia, gee maybe it is because people cut innocents heads off, broadcast the event, tell the parents bodies will continue to come back like this, and shout God is Great while they are doing it.

I was researching Islam and the Quran, but after witnessing this so help me God I will never touch that book again except to get rid of it :raging: :raging: :raging: :raging: :skeleton: :enough!:

Beheadings are an Arab tradition. The Saudis conduct public beheadings of prisoners who are found guilty of crimes that are punishable by death. President Bush was informed that civilians who helped support the invasion of Iraq would be considered in the same light as the soldiers who invaded the country... and knowing this, president Bush sent them in anyway!

Turn the tables dear one. If the republicans couldn't resolve their dispute with the democrats and resorted to selling our country out to invaders to solve their political issues, would we not fight the invasion? Would we not charge sell-outs with... treason?

What is the punishment here for... treason?

Ninth Scribe

By the way: "So Help Me God' = Calling for Azrael (just so you know).

 

[wilberhum]

Zarqawi's role in Iraq was defensive.

Zarqawi was a murdering terrorist. Civil war was Zarqawi's main objective.

 

[MTAFFI]

Beheadings are an Arab tradition. The Saudis conduct public beheadings of prisoners who are found guilty of crimes that are punishable by death.

What was this mans crime? And I dont care what is an Arab tradition, Arabs are sick and need to move into this century

Turn the tables dear one. If the republicans couldn't resolve their dispute with the democrats and resorted to selling our country out to invaders to solve their political issues, would we not fight the invasion? Would we not charge sell-outs with... treason?
What is the punishment here for... treason?

I am not going to make this about republicans and democrats, this is about uncivilized people that kill in the name of God. That hold a mans head in front of the world saying God is great. There is no turning the tables because the US will never be on that side of the table, there is only one group in the world on that side of the table, and whether it be on my hands or someone elses the mans death will be avenged 10 fold

SO HELP ME GOD

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

Zarqawi was a murdering terrorist. Civil war was Zarqawi's main objective.

Well we are what we eat (laws of consumption), and now that we've subjected the Iraqis to a civil war, we're about to head into our own. I used to believe, much like you, that Zarqawi was a "murdering terrorist" but the people here weren't careful. Those who know me would warn you. I have an excellent memory and flawless comprehension so you have to be very careful what you say in my hearing. If a statement changes, even in a very subtle way, I'll catch it immediately. Like it or not, there has been an aweful lot of lying going on where the subject of Iraq is concerned... and especially where Zarqawi was concerned. I don't like liars. Had people not lied so much, I wouldn't have bothered to investigate. But, here we all are. One happy bunch, aren't we?

Ninth Scribe

 

[MTAFFI]

Well we are what we eat (laws of consumption), and now that we've subjected the Iraqis to a civil war, we're about to head into our own. I used to believe, much like you, that Zarqawi was a "murdering terrorist" but the people here weren't careful. Those who know me would warn you. I have an excellent memory and flawless comprehension so you have to be very careful what you say in my hearing. If a statement changes, even in a very subtle way, I'll catch it immediately. Like it or not, there has been an aweful lot of lying going on where the subject of Iraq is concerned... and especially where Zarqawi was concerned. I don't like liars. Had people not lied so much, I wouldn't have bothered to investigate. But, here we all are. One happy bunch, aren't we?

Ninth Scribe

whatever so some people lied so Zarqawi is a hero and a saint. He never at all contributed to the state that Iraq is in today, it is all the US.... for someone who tries to project intelligence as you do you are sure ignorant

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

I am not going to make this about republicans and democrats, this is about uncivilized people that kill in the name of God. That hold a mans head in front of the world saying God is great. There is no turning the tables because the US will never be on that side of the table, there is only one group in the world on that side of the table, and whether it be on my hands or someone elses the mans death will be avenged 10 fold

SO HELP ME GOD

That is a very pretentious line... uncivilized people? You have no right to judge the Arab people.

Ninth Scribe

 

[MTAFFI]

That is a very pretentious line... uncivilized people? You have no right to judge the Arab people.

Ninth Scribe

I can judge whomever I please, however in this case it is not judging, their actions speak for themselves it has nothing to do with judging

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

I think the American government is attempting to show the world that we are not going to put up with this type of s--t (ie blowing up our buildings, embassies, 100s of 1000s of buses, cars and people)

We're going to show the world... by commiting this type of s--t? You're starting the story at the year 2001? That's the middle of the story, not it's beginning. These men (Arabs) weren't doing these things for fun! I've been digging at the pages of history and I've become ashamed of what my government has been up to behind our backs! Civilized??? OMG! We trusted them and they sold us out... for profit!

Those greedy, slimey little shrews are finished! So Help Me God!

Ninth Scribe

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

their actions speak for themselves it has nothing to do with judging

Defending their country is not a crime. It doesn't belong to the United States... and it never will. Abu Ghraib is a reminder of the reasons why.

Ninth Scribe

 

[MTAFFI]

We're going to show the world... by commiting this type of s--t? You're starting the story at the year 2001? That's the middle of the story, not it's beginning. These men (Arabs) weren't doing these things for fun! I've been digging at the pages of history and I've become ashamed of what my government has been up to behind our backs! Civilized??? OMG! We trusted them and they sold us out... for profit!

Those greedy, slimey little shrews are finished!

Ninth Scribe

What are we commiting? I start this story long before 2001, which is why I mention embassy bombings. No one sold us out the arabs sell their people out for oil and wealth, our country protects us

 

[MTAFFI]

Defending their country is not a crime. It doesn't belong to the United States... and it never will.

Ninth Scribe

And the US never wanted it or tried to take it...

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

whatever so some people lied so Zarqawi is a hero and a saint. He never at all contributed to the state that Iraq is in today, it is all the US.... for someone who tries to project intelligence as you do you are sure ignorant

It is you who are defending liars. Deception is not Intelligence. To defend deception is to prefer ignorance.

This thread concerns the Abu Ghraib prison... and the deceptions I speak of have been made perfectly clear when the scandal was brought into the light of day for all to see. You can swear, curse and kick chairs all you like... it changes nothing!

Ninth Scribe

 

[MTAFFI]

It is you who are defending liars. Deception is not Intelligence. To defend deception is to prefer ignorance.

Ninth Scribe

I am not defending liars, you have not provided any proof of any lies, I am defending freedom, I am defending all of the innocent Iraqis who had nothing to do with Zarqawi or the US but died anyways because of senseless violence, I am defending my right to live without worrying about what some extremist blowing themselves up at the marketplace with no real target. Zarqawi is a liar in the sense that he told people they were fighting against an occupation, when really he wanted war with the US before they even got to Iraq, it is you who is ignorant

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

our country protects us

You're country has taken a course that will ensure war until American Supremecy is acheived across the whole of the Earth. It is a war over oil and influence and it is unjust and the leaders who envisioned it are twisted. They will not be able to defend this country because they are making too many enemies of other countries. Even those who were their allies have discovered the lies and depravity, which brings us back to Abu Ghraib: What is it they've learned about how great and civilized America is? Oh yes, hazings rituals!

You're a free soul and you may think what you like, but you will never gain my agreement on these issues and if you'll excuse me... I have some bigger fish to fry today.

Ninth Scribe

 

[wilberhum]

has been an aweful lot of lying going on where the subject of Iraq is concerned... and especially where Zarqawi was concerned.

Truth is the first casuality of war. But when you stand up in front of a camra and cut someone's head off for working on reconstruction, you are a murdering terrorist.