Girl kills mom in religious row

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Since its okay to assume that it was because of the boy who wanted her to turn to Christianity why this tragedy happened, I dont see why what Barney posted was deleted. What if she killed her mother and tried to kill her father because of how they wanted to apply Islamic Law and she felt really threathened? Why cannot we explore that possiblity aswell?
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can't she run away and tell the police????? when somebody tries to rob a bank, the employees do not respond with shooting back, but they turn on the alarm, to call the police. If they were going to kill her, how come she had time to take the knife, and go and stabb both? didn't she have time to run out of the house and call the police? the point here is that she didn't want to choose that option, but that's what Shaitan wanted , to choose the bad option.
 
Suomipoika said:
Just because there isnt Islamic State that is required to apply Islamic Law, doesnt really prevent people from trying to apply Islamic Law.

Why would anyone kill their parents simply because they want to convert to Christianity? What makes 17 year-old-girl whose father was "very angry" for her trying to leave Islam to act this way towards her parents?

Since its okay to assume that it was because of the boy who wanted her to turn to Christianity why this tragedy happened, I dont see why what Barney posted was deleted. What if she killed her mother and tried to kill her father because of how they wanted to apply Islamic Law and she felt really threathened? Why cannot we explore that possiblity aswell?
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Well thats a problem on their part, since no-one except the holders of the law apply it. Yes, anyone can argue that a person can take the law into their own hands, but that doesn't mean it's right. No matter what form of government we're talking about.

Someone can see a thief, yet there still not allowed to shoot him, yet the cops are allowed to. Why? Because the holders of the law can only apply the law in them situations, and if someone else pretends to be a cop - well they can't since they don't hold that position of authority.


Infact, if we were to look at barneys post - we would see that he said something totally amazing, infact he said it as if he knew what he was talking about. Almost as if he was a scholar or person who has total knowledge on the religion. Guess what he said?


barney said:
If she had converted she would have had 3 days to change her mind before her parents had a duty to kill her.
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There's so much mistakes in that statement;


1) He's claiming the parents have to kill her. - No they don't.

2) She's got 3 days to become muslim again. Why? If they're living in australia?

3) It's their duty? No it's not, it isn't the family members duty at all. Rather it's the Islamic Judges duty to help her to clear her misunderstandings, clear the misconceptions she may have etc.


So if he was so knowledgable and so wise, why is he making such a statement? Infact, why is he acting like he's some form of authority to even bring forth 'evidences' if he doesn't even understand their contexts or even the basics!?


Do you think it's right to let someone continue making others believe that what he's saying is true? Would you let me be a spokesperson for a government when i don't even belong to that country, yet alone be a leader of it?


I think you understand what i mean now. And Allaah knows best.



Regards.
 
We don't know the circumstances, so lets not speculate too much. All we do know is that killing her mother was wrong, regardless of the circumstances.
 
Muslim1: Salam alaikum

Muslim2: Walaikum salam

Muslim1: Akhi, there's a lecture on Aqeedah.

Muslim2: Alhamdulilah, where?

Muslim1: At the mosque.

Muslim2: Who's giving the lecture?

Muslim1: A christian pastor.

Muslim2: What topic will he discuss?

Muslim1: Well, he will discuss in detail the tawheed of Allah swt.

Muslim2: MashaAllah, I'm coming inshaAllah. I can't miss it.

Muslim1: Salam alaikum.

Muslim2: Walaikum salam.
 
yeah..she seems to have been passionately blinded by her love for this guy and her parents were standing in her way of being with him..people do crazy things sometimes..
Allah knows best..
 
Not to discredit her Christian beliefs but, I mean, killing your parents? A Christian? What happend to the Christians who believe in turning the other cheek, round here they are turning into a rare people.

Would be cool to interview the girl.
 
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Nah, i think that she's gna reflect over it more deeply now.. especially when you're alone, if she's in prison or anything like that. I think that the love just blinded her.. may Allaah guide her and us all to the correct way, forever.
 
Fi_Sabilillah said:
Well thats a problem on their part, since no-one except the holders of the law apply it. Yes, anyone can argue that a person can take the law into their own hands, but that doesn't mean it's right. No matter what form of government we're talking about.

Someone can see a thief, yet there still not allowed to shoot him, yet the cops are allowed to. Why? Because the holders of the law can only apply the law in them situations, and if someone else pretends to be a cop - well they can't since they don't hold that position of authority.

Infact, if we were to look at barneys post - we would see that he said something totally amazing, infact he said it as if he knew what he was talking about. Almost as if he was a scholar or person who has total knowledge on the religion. Guess what he said?





There's so much mistakes in that statement;


1) He's claiming the parents have to kill her. - No they don't.

2) She's got 3 days to become muslim again. Why? If they're living in australia?

3) It's their duty? No it's not, it isn't the family members duty at all. Rather it's the Islamic Judges duty to help her to clear her misunderstandings, clear the misconceptions she may have etc.
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I cant really argue against that, I simply dont know Islam enough to know what parent should or should not do in regards to their children, nor how and when to apply Islamic Law. It does however leave me with rather uncomfortable question, what would happen to her if she was living in proper Islamic State and refused to change her views and wanted to become Christian.

So if he was so knowledgable and so wise, why is he making such a statement? Infact, why is he acting like he's some form of authority to even bring forth 'evidences' if he doesn't even understand their contexts or even the basics!?


Do you think it's right to let someone continue making others believe that what he's saying is true? Would you let me be a spokesperson for a government when i don't even belong to that country, yet alone be a leader of it?


I think you understand what i mean now. And Allaah knows best.



Regards.
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But thats how the arguements are made in these forums.

Just look any other thread, they are filled with articles from "nutjob-dot-com" by people who hate USA, Israel and everything from West from the bottom of their little hearts, yet they speak like they know who rule these countries behind the secret closets and how these countries are doing this and that for oil and imperialism. Page after page of utter garbage and they are given the right to make people think what they say is true.
 
vpb said:
are you crazy? :p do you wanna get stabbed:p
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I feel sorry for her, but I mean I'd be in a tank, not face to face.

But I mean, if it was a conversion thing, I mean, then what would drive her to kill her parents. I mean as a Christian out of all religions.
 
Alhamdulilah,

now we can see why Allah swt forbidded dating. You see where dating brought this girl to, ending up killing her parent. and what fi sabililah said, love blinded her.
 
I feel sorry for her, but I mean I'd be in a tank, not face to face.
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no, cuz then you'd be called a terrorist. It's dangerous for a muslim holding any weapon or being in any military vehicle :p
 
oh..when he said tank..i thought he meant something like a fish tank..not a vehicle
 
vpb said:
Alhamdulilah,

now we can see why Allah swt forbidded dating. You see where dating brought this girl to, ending up killing her parent. and what fi sabililah said, love blinded her.
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Maybe her parents should have just let her convert to Christianity instead of being "very angry" about it. I think Islam blinded her parents so much that they wanted their child forcibly follow it.
 
Suomipoika said:
I cant really argue against that, I simply dont know Islam enough to know what parent should or should not do in regards to their children, nor how and when to apply Islamic Law. It does however leave me with rather uncomfortable question, what would happen to her if she was living in proper Islamic State and refused to change her views and wanted to become Christian.
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That's not the question, infact if we were to use that theory - she wouldn't even be dating with a non muslim guy within an Islamic State. She'd be brought up well, get a good education, have modesty, respect for the elders, and love for the young, if we were to use the theory of 'what if' - then the whole issue wouldn't take place, infact this whole article wouldn't have been written.


Anyway if you want to read the rules regarding apostasy, i welcome you to check the following link:

Apostasy and the Freedom of Religion
http://www.islamonline.net/English/contemporary/2006/04/article01.shtml



But thats how the arguements are made in these forums.

Just look any other thread, they are filled with articles from "nutjob-dot-com" by people who hate USA, Israel and everything from West from the bottom of their little hearts, yet they speak like they know who rule these countries behind the secret closets and how these countries are doing this and that for oil and imperialism. Page after page of utter garbage and they are given the right to make people think what they say is true.
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Am i responsible for that? Infact the media does more of a 'good job' of that to spoon feed the people to think that Islaam is evil, so the public follows them in that without wanting to look at the true teachings.


Did you know that in Islaam the women, children, seniors, those who worship in monasteries etc. can't be killed in war? I'm sure the media never taught that about Islaam, but since the 'media knows better' - they can portray it in any way they want? I'm sure you agree that no-one should do that.

Infact, some people are influenced by the media soo much that they said in this thread that they never felt sad for the parents (but i deleted that so it doesn't cause more controversy) - why is that? I'm sure if a christian parent was killed, it was because the child was 'taught to be a fanatic muslim and influenced'? When in reality we are supposed to respect and treat our parents with care, even if they're not muslim!


I think you'll notice it's done by one side mainly (the media), some of the common people follow them in that, and some muslims get defensive and may argue back without clearing up the misconceptions.




Regards.
 
well..muslim's believe that those who dont believe in Allah and follow the sirat-al-mustakeen (the straight path) will end up in hell..so you cant blame the parents for being unhappy at the daughter's choice of leaving the religion.
anyway..regardless of the religion in question, any parent would be distressed if his child wanted to embrace another religion for a guy and not for the sake of faith itself.
 
vpb said:
Alhamdulilah,

now we can see why Allah swt forbidded dating. You see where dating brought this girl to, ending up killing her parent. and what fi sabililah said, love blinded her.
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Don't be friggin stupid :rollseyes
I reckon she did it because she feared for her life. To me this seems to be the norm in the middle east.
 
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England said:
Don't be friggin stupid :rollseyes
I reckon she did it because she feared for her life. To me this seems to be the norm in the middle east.
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lol the praise is for Allaah it's not part of islaam. :)
 
http://www.irfi.org/articles/articles_251_300/is_killing_an_apostate_in_the_is.htm

So are we saying that there is no policy of punishing apostates?
The Thousands of words linked to apostacy, I wont bother relisting , as i'm sure all muslims are aware of them anyway.

There is no compulsion in religion. You can leave Islam any time you like and Muslims will be sad to see you go but will wish you the very best.

Is that the consensus of opinion?
 

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