God axioms

[Asiyah3]

Greetings,

I don't think Muslims believe this. Can anyone confirm?

Peace

Hello,

Muslims don't believe Allah is everywhere physically. God's sight, hearing, mercy etc. is everywhere.

 

[Ramadhan]

Please don't cut and paste a load of irrelevant stuff.

That's very relevant.

You are on ISLAMIC forum, you are asking about God to muslims, so that's an answer.

If you don't like about the answers given, you can just scram off and go to those atheists sites, where you will feel welcome.

Also, you didn't mind some people posting surah al ikhlas, so why protesting my post?

 

[Lynx]

First, creating negative axioms for God like 'God is not human' is pointless since I can obviously make a million axioms that have the form: 'God is not x, because god is different from x'. Imagine I said God is not a banana since God is not like a Banana. I think the fundamental 'axioms' that the Islamic God presupposes are: 1) God is unlike his creation; 2) God is omniscient; 3) God is omnipotent; 4) God is Good; 5) God is perfect; 6) God is infinite; God is unique (or God is one). Other axioms like 'God is loving' or 'God is merciful' are too subjective to be of any worth; does a god who sends people to Hell eternally count as 'merciful' or 'loving'? Do you see my point?
Second, the God of Islam is essentially a traditional western conception of God except there's more of an emphasis on his unity and there is a lot less anthropomorphism in Islam (at least if you're not a Hanbali) and listing out every axiom that might be presupposed by a conception of God is useless as we all pretty much of a clear idea about what kind of God is being worshiped in the Abrahamic religions. If there is any confusion I think reading the scripture that is being posted is completely relevant since you're asking a bunch of Muslims what their definition of God is; where else would they look? If you're looking fora general definition of God then Allah is the same as any old western God-concept that you'd find in your typical philosophy of religion textbook.

 

[Asiyah3]

Peace,

First, creating negative axioms for God like 'God is not human' is pointless since I can obviously make a million axioms that have the form: 'God is not x, because god is different from x'. Imagine I said God is not a banana since God is not like a Banana.

I didn't think that one was pointless, because there are people who believe God is human, unlike your banana example.

Other axioms like 'God is loving' or 'God is merciful' are too subjective to be of any worth; does a god who sends people to Hell eternally count as 'merciful' or 'loving'? Do you see my point?

I know you may have only put it as an example, but I thought to correct it. How does that anyhow make God less merciful? God is just and merciful. A person is only punished for what he has earned for himself.

Do you think sending a criminal to jail is merciless? I don't think so. It's called justice. How about a life sentence imprisonment? Hope you get my point. God is just and merciful.

 

[Lynx]

Peace,


I didn't think that one was pointless, because there are people who believe God is human, unlike your banana example.

If we are going to negate everyone else's religious belief then we do have to create an endless list for all the pantheists and wiccans and all that who think God is embodied in every piece of nature. I think the axiom God is unlike his creation captures the idea well but like I said, if we are dealing with an Islamic God then this goes without saying...God becomes a complicated topic when we talk about subjective values like his love or mercy etc.. but these can't be axiomatized so I stil think this attempt though well-intentioned is pointless.

I know you may have only put it as an example, but I thought to correct it. How does that anyhow make God less merciful? God is just and merciful. A person is only punished for what he has earned for himself.

Do you think sending a criminal to jail is merciless? I don't think so. It's called justice. How about a life sentence imprisonment? Hope you get my point. God is just and merciful.

You can start or ask this question in an appropriate threat and I will be more than happy to respond.

 

[Zafran]

Please don't cut and paste a load of irrelevant stuff.

You do know that your on an Islamic forum right - what he posted is totally relevent - The way Mulsims understand Allah swt is through the 99 names of God (In the Quran) and what the last prophet pbuh taught his followers.

Lynxs is right to certain extent muslims believe this is the God of Adam, Moses, Jesus and all the other Abhrhamic prophets (pbut) - he gave his last messege to the prophet Muhammad pbuh to get people that we're astary back to the pure monothesitic messege again.